[Signing] Flames sign Joakim Nordstrom

[Hogs & Podz]

5 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said:

I didn't say they would be a winning team.  I said they would be a team without cap or structural problems.

 

The truth is the Flames aren't winning anything with bums like Gaudreau and Monahan at the helm.

And that's all folks!!!! 

I'll take this canucks team tight up against the cap over the fLames 'team' with a few million dollars extra for one more potential impactful roster player... If they're lucky.  Even with Markstrom canucks are better than cowtown now and for years to come.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Hogs & Podz

[Patrick Kane]

9 hours ago, Dazzle said:

I think elite bottom-six is rather generous. He's a center that doesn't really win faceoffs. He's got mediocre scoring, and he's 28. He's a depth signing. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Furthermore, I think it's a one way contract, not two way. The Jayce Hawrluk signing is better.

He's a LW.

Watch him play, stats aren't everything.

 

The fact that you claimed he's a C, just by looking at his position indicates to me you've probably seen him play maybe a HANDFUL of times in your life, and have no idea who he is.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Patrick Kane

[Zfetch]

9 hours ago, Dazzle said:

I think elite bottom-six is rather generous. He's a center that doesn't really win faceoffs. He's got mediocre scoring, and he's 28. He's a depth signing. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

Furthermore, I think it's a one way contract, not two way. The Jayce Hawrluk signing is better.

He's a LW not a center. Doesn't even take long to just look at the #of Faceoffs he's taken to figure that out. How are you able to judge that he's mediocre when you don't even know the player? Why speak out of ignorance? Makes one look rather silly.

 

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Martin Luther King Jr.

[Dazzle]

7 hours ago, Zfetch said:

He's a LW not a center. Doesn't even take long to just look at the #of Faceoffs he's taken to figure that out. How are you able to judge that he's mediocre when you don't even know the player? Why speak out of ignorance? Makes one look rather silly.

 

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.

Martin Luther King Jr.

Lmfao, what's hilarious is that you are the one getting it wrong. Read and weep @Zfetch.

 

This was the very first result on Google. Did you even look him up at all?

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=127777

 

Joakim Nordstrom

Center -- shoots L
Born Feb 25 1992 -- Stockholm, Sweden
[28 yrs. ago]
Height 6.01 -- Weight 194 [185 cm/88 kg]

 

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Let's say you missed it. Wikipedia has a blurb on the side of Google.

 

Joakim Nordström is a Swedish professional ice hockey centre who is currently playing for the Calgary Flames of the National Hockey League.

 

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How about Elite Prospects?

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/18332/joakim-nordstrom

 

"A skilled two-way center with pretty quick feet an puckhandling skills. Nordström is also smart, both with and without the puck and a valuable team player. Must add more muscles and strength."

 

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And finally, NHL.com lists him as a centre

 

https://www.nhl.com/player/joakim-nordstrom-8475807

 

C | 6' 1" | 194 lb | Age: 28 | Calgary Flames

 

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Sit down @Zfetch You ain't MLK, you fraud.

 

@Alain VigneaultI'm surprised jazz didn't fact check, but I'm not surprised that this guy blindly agreed with you.  LOL.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Dazzle

[Dazzle]

Wrong. Several sites have listed him as a center. I know Sportsnet and Cap Friendly says he is LW, but freaking NHL.com has him as a center, among many others.

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=127777 Centre

 

https://www.nhl.com/player/joakim-nordstrom-8475807

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/18332/joakim-nordstrom

 

Also, this gem here:

 

Nordstrom is currently in Chicago centering the Blackhawks’ fourth line and killing penalties. In Chicago, he will need to unseat some very talented players to earn a top six role.

 

https://dobberprospects.com/2015/12/10/joakim-nordstroem/

 

7 hours ago, Patrick Kane said:

He's a LW.

Watch him play, stats aren't everything.

 

The fact that you claimed he's a C, just by looking at his position indicates to me you've probably seen him play maybe a HANDFUL of times in your life, and have no idea who he is.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Dazzle

[Ilya Mikheyev]

24 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

Lmfao, what's hilarious is that you are the one getting it wrong. Read and weep @Zfetch.

 

This was the very first result on Google. Did you even look him up at all?

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=127777

 

Joakim Nordstrom

Center -- shoots L
Born Feb 25 1992 -- Stockholm, Sweden
[28 yrs. ago]
Height 6.01 -- Weight 194 [185 cm/88 kg]

 

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Let's say you missed it. Wikipedia has a blurb on the side of Google.

 

Joakim Nordström is a Swedish professional ice hockey centre who is currently playing for the Calgary Flames of the National Hockey League.

 

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How about Elite Prospects?

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/18332/joakim-nordstrom

 

"A skilled two-way center with pretty quick feet an puckhandling skills. Nordström is also smart, both with and without the puck and a valuable team player. Must add more muscles and strength."

 

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And finally, NHL.com lists him as a centre

 

https://www.nhl.com/player/joakim-nordstrom-8475807

 

C | 6' 1" | 194 lb | Age: 28 | Calgary Flames

 

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Sit down @Zfetch You ain't MLK, you fraud.

 

@Alain VigneaultI'm surprised jazz didn't fact check, but I'm not surprised that this guy blindly agreed with you.  LOL.

Dazzle - I'm sorry but he's a LW who played center in Sweden before joining Chicago's system

[Dazzle]

Just now, Teemu Selänne said:

Dazzle - I'm sorry but he's a LW who played center in Sweden before joining Chicago's system

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=127777 Centre

 

https://www.nhl.com/player/joakim-nordstrom-8475807

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/18332/joakim-nordstrom

 

Also, this gem here:

 

Nordstrom is currently in Chicago centering the Blackhawks’ fourth line and killing penalties. In Chicago, he will need to unseat some very talented players to earn a top six role.

 

https://dobberprospects.com/2015/12/10/joakim-nordstroem/

 

It doesn't change the fact that he's LISTED as a center, even if some people think he was LW.

[Ilya Mikheyev]

Also I think this is a shrewd signing. He's a great 3rd/4th liner who secretly has hands and can contribute/step in when needed.

[Ilya Mikheyev]

3 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=127777 Centre

 

https://www.nhl.com/player/joakim-nordstrom-8475807

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/18332/joakim-nordstrom

 

Also, this gem here:

 

Nordstrom is currently in Chicago centering the Blackhawks’ fourth line and killing penalties. In Chicago, he will need to unseat some very talented players to earn a top six role.

 

https://dobberprospects.com/2015/12/10/joakim-nordstroem/

 

It doesn't change the fact that he's LISTED as a center, even if some people think he was LW.

I mean your critique of him was tied to being a center who can't win faceoffs - when in fact he's taken 132 faceoffs total over his last 118 games, so the critique has little to do with the signing, I think that's all we're saying.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Teemu Selänne

[Dazzle]

1 minute ago, Teemu Selänne said:

I mean your critique of him was tied to being a center who can't win faceoffs - when in fact he's taken 132 faceoffs total over his last 118 games, so the critique has little to do with the signing, I think that's all we're saying.

Actually, no, if he's drafted/listed as a center, but can't take faceoffs, that's something significant.

 

You said it yourself, he was PLACED as a center by the Blackhawks, why? Even an article (Dobber) agrees with that.

 

100+ faceoffs is more than Hawryluk's, who's also listed as a center. Small sample of faceoffs below.

 

Source: https://www.puckbase.com/player/jayce-hawryluk

Jayce Hawryluk #79 · Center · Ottawa Senators

Born January 1, 1996 in Yorkton, SK, Canada
Height: 5'11" · Weight: 196 lbs. · Shoots: Right

 

• Stats
• Possession
• Face-offs

Regular season stats

Year	Team	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	FO	FW	FL	FO%	TOI/game
Total		68	10	12	22	-7	32	31	18	13	58.1%	10:04
2019-20	OTT/FLA [+]	26	3	7	10	1	16	12	4	8	33.3%	11:06
2018-19	FLA	42	7	5	12	-8	16	19	14	5	73.7%	9:26

 

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by Dazzle

[Ilya Mikheyev]

1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

Actually, no, if he's drafted/listed as a center, but can't take faceoffs, that's something significant.

 

You said it yourself, he was PLACED as a center by the Blackhawks, why? Even an article (Dobber) agrees with that.

 

100+ faceoffs is more than Hawryluk's, who's also listed as a center. Small sample of faceoffs below.

 

Source: https://www.puckbase.com/player/jayce-hawryluk

Jayce Hawryluk #79 · Center · Ottawa Senators

Born January 1, 1996 in Yorkton, SK, Canada
Height: 5'11" · Weight: 196 lbs. · Shoots: Right

 

• Stats
• Possession
• Face-offs

Regular season stats

Year	Team	GP	G	A	P	+/-	PIM	FO	FW	FL	FO%	TOI/game
Total		68	10	12	22	-7	32	31	18	13	58.1%	10:04
2019-20	OTT/FLA [+]	26	3	7	10	1	16	12	4	8	33.3%	11:06
2018-19	FLA	42	7	5	12	-8	16	19	14	5	73.7%	9:26

 

 

Hawryluk played RW on both teams & took a total of 12 faceoffs last year

 

Both have spent the majority of their NHL time as wingers. You brought up Nordstrom's faceoff 'inability' as a center as a critique of the signing. He rarely plays center, nor does Hawryluk so it's not really a valid critique. The fact that both have the potential and exp. as centers is great, but doesn't exactly have much bearing on comparing the two signings.

[Dazzle]

13 minutes ago, Teemu Selänne said:

Hawryluk played RW on both teams & took a total of 12 faceoffs last year

 

Both have spent the majority of their NHL time as wingers. You brought up Nordstrom's faceoff 'inability' as a center as a critique of the signing. He rarely plays center, nor does Hawryluk so it's not really a valid critique. The fact that both have the potential and exp. as centers is great, but doesn't exactly have much bearing on comparing the two signings.

But to counter your point, Joakim Nordstrom's career faceoffs (and he is closer to 200+) have indicated that he isn't great on faceoffs, my original point. Although Hawryluk has taken fewer faceoffs, he still took nearly 70 faceoffs. Therefore, in a pinch, you have a more RELIABLE faceoff option than Nordstrom.

 

It is actually very valid critique when comparing both players for the above reasons I mentioned. So I think Hawryluk is a better option for the Canucks.

 

Additionally, the fact that Nordstrom's contract for 700,000 appears to be one way, versus Hawryluk's two way contract gives the Canucks flexibility for cap. I think it's a far more shrewd of a signing.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Dazzle

[Dazzle]

7 hours ago, Patrick Kane said:

He's a LW.

Watch him play, stats aren't everything.

 

The fact that you claimed he's a C, just by looking at his position indicates to me you've probably seen him play maybe a HANDFUL of times in your life, and have no idea who he is.

Also, how does it make sense that I've "probably seen him maybe a handful of times in (my) life", but have no idea who he is?

 

That's hilarious. I really want to know.

[AV.]

NHL.com as a source

 

I took a quick look at the Canucks roster using that website and it lists J.T. Miller and Tyler Motte as centers and Schmidt as a LD.  I can only imagine what other nonsense inaccuracies they have under the positions for players on other teams.

[Dazzle]

10 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said:

NHL.com as a source

 

I took a quick look at the Canucks roster using that website and it lists J.T. Miller and Tyler Motte as centers and Schmidt as a LD.  I can only imagine what other nonsense inaccuracies they have under the positions for players on other teams.

J.T. Miller plays center for the Canucks. @Alain Vigneault

 

https://theathletic.com/1189572/2019/09/07/is-j-t-miller-at-centre-the-answer-for-the-canucks/

 

He's also listed as a Centre/LW, and has taken (and won) way more faceoffs (1000+) @ 50 percent.

 

Your ignorance continues to astound us all.

 

@Alain Vigneault Are you even watching the games, or are you too busy bashing management?

 

https://puckbase.com/player/j.t.-miller

Look at those faceoff percentages!

 

Total		503	121	187	308	33	235	2932	1526	1406	52.0%	15:39
2019-20	VAN	69	27	45	72	11	47	718	425	293	59.2%	20:06
2018-19	TBL	75	13	34	47	8	32	524	259	265	49.4%	14:40
2017-18	TBL/NYR [+]	82	23	35	58	-4	40	805	437	368	54.3%	17:01
2016-17	NYR	82	22	34	56	17	21	357	157	200	44.0%	16:22
2015-16	NYR	81	21	21	42	9	46	154	66	88	42.9%	15:01
2014-15	NYR	58	10	13	23	5	23	205	93	112	45.4%	12:42
2013-14	NYR	30	3	3	6	-6	18	51	26	25	51.0%	11:27
2012-13	NYR	26	2	2	4	-7	8	118	63	55	53.4%	13:31

Edited October 20, 2020 by Dazzle

[Patrick Kane]

2 hours ago, Dazzle said:

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=127777 Centre

 

https://www.nhl.com/player/joakim-nordstrom-8475807

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/18332/joakim-nordstrom

 

Also, this gem here:

 

Nordstrom is currently in Chicago centering the Blackhawks’ fourth line and killing penalties. In Chicago, he will need to unseat some very talented players to earn a top six role.

 

https://dobberprospects.com/2015/12/10/joakim-nordstroem/

 

It doesn't change the fact that he's LISTED as a center, even if some people think he was LW.

Listed /= what they actually play. NHL.com said Alex Debrincat was a C for several seasons until they finally fixed it.

 

Watching the games would tell you what position they play.

 

Calm down fella, admit you were wrong.

[Dazzle]

Just now, Patrick Kane said:

Listed /= what they actually play. NHL.com said Alex Debrincat was a C for several seasons until they finally fixed it.

 

Watching the games would tell you what position they play.

 

Calm down fella, admit you were wrong.

How did you not know that your boy Nordstrom was centering your Blackhawks team, @Patrick Kane?

 

"Nordstrom is currently in Chicago centering the Blackhawks’ fourth line and killing penalties. In Chicago, he will need to unseat some very talented players to earn a top six role."

 

Were you too busy punching taxi drivers?

 

https://dobberprospects.com/2015/12/10/joakim-nordstroem/

 

 

[Zfetch]

2 hours ago, Dazzle said:

Lmfao, what's hilarious is that you are the one getting it wrong. Read and weep @Zfetch.

 

This was the very first result on Google. Did you even look him up at all?

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=127777

 

Joakim Nordstrom

Center -- shoots L
Born Feb 25 1992 -- Stockholm, Sweden
[28 yrs. ago]
Height 6.01 -- Weight 194 [185 cm/88 kg]

 

--

 

Let's say you missed it. Wikipedia has a blurb on the side of Google.

 

Joakim Nordström is a Swedish professional ice hockey centre who is currently playing for the Calgary Flames of the National Hockey League.

 

--

 

How about Elite Prospects?

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/18332/joakim-nordstrom

 

"A skilled two-way center with pretty quick feet an puckhandling skills. Nordström is also smart, both with and without the puck and a valuable team player. Must add more muscles and strength."

 

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And finally, NHL.com lists him as a centre

 

https://www.nhl.com/player/joakim-nordstrom-8475807

 

C | 6' 1" | 194 lb | Age: 28 | Calgary Flames

 

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Sit down @Zfetch You ain't MLK, you fraud.

 

@Alain VigneaultI'm surprised jazz didn't fact check, but I'm not surprised that this guy blindly agreed with you.  LOL.

Dude/Dudette just admit you don't know anything about Joakim Nordstrom to claim he's mediocre.

 

NORDSTROM - 7 FACEOFFS TAKEN / 48GP

 

BOESER - 30 FACEOFFS TAKEN / 57GP

 

I guess Boeser is a center too :}

[Patrick Kane]

4 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

How did you not know that your boy Nordstrom was centering your Blackhawks team, @Patrick Kane?

 

"Nordstrom is currently in Chicago centering the Blackhawks’ fourth line and killing penalties. In Chicago, he will need to unseat some very talented players to earn a top six role."

 

Were you too busy punching taxi drivers?

 

https://dobberprospects.com/2015/12/10/joakim-nordstroem/

 

 

 

That was when he was 21/22 years old, covering for injuries. Once he's solidified his spot on the NHL, he has consistently played LW the past 7-8 seasons.

 

Your argument is he's a C that can't win faceoffs. Wrong. He's a LW. Don't make a mockery of yourself, it's embarrassing.

 

And now you're getting angry bringing up the Cab driver incident. 

Edited October 20, 2020 by Patrick Kane

[Dazzle]

Just now, Zfetch said:

Dude/Dudette just admit you don't know anything about Joakim Nordstrom to claim he's mediocre.

 

NORDSTROM - 7 FACEOFFS TAKEN / 48GP

 

BOESER - 30 FACEOFFS TAKEN / 57GP

 

I guess Boeser is a center too :}

Except Boeser is not listed (and has never been listed) as a center. Fail much? What a terrible example, and this has proved your ignorance. Now we can see that your loyalty to your bud has blinded your sense of reasoning.

Edited October 20, 2020 by Dazzle