Coronavirus outbreak

[NewbieCanuckFan]

10 minutes ago, stawns said:

Isn't that common knowledge?

Yeah the main goal is to 'buy time' for either the vaccine to be developed (which the anti-government nutjobs on the right/left in the US won't take [anti-vaxxers]) or for the hospitals to better handle the numbers of those needed medical care.

[stawns]

1 minute ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Yeah the main goal is to 'buy time' for either the vaccine to be developed (which the anti-government nutjobs on the right/left in the US won't take [anti-vaxxers]) or for the hospitals to better handle the numbers of those needed medical care.

Yup, he said it like it was new information.  Flattening the curve was for the health care system from the beginning.

[coastal.view]

15 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Table service would be a real problem.  Hard to keep distance while delivering food.

masks could assist with that minor concern

i mean nurses and doctors interact with the actual sick ones

the numbers in bc would suggest you'd be unlikely to encounter anyone

who is actually infected

but as i stated in my previous post, we all need to keep in place all the safety precautions we have been following

 

you do appreciate we will not get rid of this virus

the plan and path chosen was to manage the outbreak

no one was predicting we'd see cases to go zero

that is not a realistic outcome

i'm not saying loosen up things today

i simply wish to hear of planning

that will allow some loosening in the next week or so

as loosening happens.... slowly i'd hope

close monitoring and attention on cluster outbreaks will be critical

 

we have clearly managed very well the virus outbreak

i was a very strong advocate in this thread of listening to what the bc authorities recommended

i stand by them

they have been extremely reliable and deserve our trust

i will still look at the numbers being reported

and they suggest a very small number of new cases

and that our total number of ongoing confirmed cases is constant and steady

at a very low total as well

[stawns]

2 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

masks could assist with that minor concern

i mean nurses and doctors interact with the actual sick ones

the numbers in bc would suggest you'd be unlikely to encounter anyone

who is actually infected

but as i stated in my previous post, we all need to keep in place all the safety precautions we have been following

 

you do appreciate we will not get rid of this virus

the plan and path chosen was to manage the outbreak

no one was predicting we'd see cases to go zero

that is not a realistic outcome

i'm not saying loosen up things today

i simply wish to hear of planning

that will allow some loosening in the next week or so

as loosening happens.... slowly i'd hope

close monitoring and attention on cluster outbreaks will be critical

 

we have clearly managed very well the virus outbreak

i was a very strong advocate in this thread of listening to what the bc authorities recommended

i stand by them

they have been extremely reliable and deserve our trust

i will still look at the numbers being reported

and they suggest a very small number of new cases

and that our total number of ongoing confirmed cases is constant and steady

at a very low total as well

You're comparing health care professionals on the front lines with restaurant servers?  I understand that people are worried about finances and the economy, but we just have to accept that this is the new normal for the foreseeable future.  We can't just "will" this virus away.  

[coastal.view]

14 hours ago, skategal said:

I might be mistaken, but I've been under the impression that the numbers of infected that are reported are only those people tested?  Many people who have had COVID-19 have not been tested to confirm, merely sent home to recover on their own after being advised that if symptoms worsen to go to hospital?  

 

I don't think it's time to relax the "stay home" edict.  I'm heartened by the flattening of the "hospitalized" numbers as I think that's a better measure of how we are doing relative to spread of the disease.  My guess (completely uneducated) is that if we maintain that rate over the next couple of weeks we will start to see some relaxing of the quarantine measures, but not sure what bits will be relaxed first.  Perhaps hair salons and personal service businesses so that we can all be trimmed and painted before being seen regularly in public again? 

well not sure people who clearly will get within a foot or 2 of others (the personal appearance enhancers - they actually have to touch you)

should be the first businesses to reopen

 

it is all about weighing all the risks

i'm not going to repeat what i posted in response to another post just above this one

 

the idea is to manage the outbreak

and continue to manage it as some limited normality is restored

i trust the bc authorities

i think they can trust the people of bc as well

we have shown we can be taught, we do listen, we do try to do as we are told

 

 

[coastal.view]

Just now, stawns said:

You're comparing health care professionals on the front lines with restaurant servers?  I understand that people are worried about finances and the economy, but we just have to accept that this is the new normal for the foreseeable future.  We can't just "will" this virus away.  

i am not suggesting we can will it away

my post clearly says we will not

but we have managed it

and that is what the goal is/was

and that goal can be maintained

now that we have systems in place

to identify it and where it might break out again

the key people in this fight

have all learned/adopted better skills and behaviours

and that includes the public of bc

[stawns]

4 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

masks could assist with that minor concern

i mean nurses and doctors interact with the actual sick ones

the numbers in bc would suggest you'd be unlikely to encounter anyone

who is actually infected

but as i stated in my previous post, we all need to keep in place all the safety precautions we have been following

 

you do appreciate we will not get rid of this virus

the plan and path chosen was to manage the outbreak

no one was predicting we'd see cases to go zero

that is not a realistic outcome

i'm not saying loosen up things today

i simply wish to hear of planning

that will allow some loosening in the next week or so

as loosening happens.... slowly i'd hope

close monitoring and attention on cluster outbreaks will be critical

 

we have clearly managed very well the virus outbreak

i was a very strong advocate in this thread of listening to what the bc authorities recommended

i stand by them

they have been extremely reliable and deserve our trust

i will still look at the numbers being reported

and they suggest a very small number of new cases

and that our total number of ongoing confirmed cases is constant and steady

at a very low total as well

You're looking at numbers in the hospital, not numbers of infected people, which we have no idea how big or small that number is.  Our numbers are low because we have buy in from enough people.........do you think the virus is gone?  What's going to happen when we ease off?

 

Were only a month into tgis,........that's like scoring a goal in the first 10 mins and hoping we win 1-0

 

 

[stawns]

1 minute ago, coastal.view said:

i am not suggesting we can will it away

my post clearly says we will not

but we have managed it

and that is what the goal is/was

and that goal can be maintained

now that we have systems in place

to identify it and where it might break out again

the key people in this fight

have all learned/adopted better skills and behaviours

and that includes the public of bc

I don't disagree were all going to have to find an acceptable risk level, but we also have to assume that might not be feasible either.  If we do ease off, it will be in minute increments over an extended period.

[coastal.view]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

You're looking at numbers in the hospital, not numbers of infected people, which we have no idea how big or small that number is.  Our numbers are low because we have buy in from enough people.........do you think the virus is gone?  What's going to happen when we ease off?

 

Were only a month into tgis,........that's like scoring a goal in the first 10 mins and hoping we win 1-0

 

 

i do not think you understand what the testing was about

and the tracking that followed the testing

and yes there are still cases cropping

that will happen until we have an effective vaccine

and in the meantime a more effective treatment will likely be found

but even before that

rapid testing will be the most useful tool to identify and track new cases

 

this is all about management of the outbreak

and continued lesser outbreaks

 

we all still have to be smart and safe until a more permanent solution is found

[stawns]

2 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

i do not think you understand what the testing was about

and the tracking that followed the testing

and yes there are still cases cropping

that will happen until we have an effective vaccine

and in the meantime a more effective treatment will likely be found

but even before that

rapid testing will be the most useful tool to identify and track new cases

 

this is all about management of the outbreak

and continued lesser outbreaks

 

we all still have to be smart and safe until a more permanent solution is found

I agree, but it's not going to be anything close to normal.  It's going to be this normal with a cpl sprinkles here and there.

 

My fear is if they start to ease off, even slightly, people are going to take that as carte blanche and then it's really going to hit the fan

Edited April 12, 2020 by stawns

[stawns]

3 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

i do not think you understand what the testing was about

and the tracking that followed the testing

and yes there are still cases cropping

that will happen until we have an effective vaccine

and in the meantime a more effective treatment will likely be found

but even before that

rapid testing will be the most useful tool to identify and track new cases

 

this is all about management of the outbreak

and continued lesser outbreaks

 

we all still have to be smart and safe until a more permanent solution is found

And so far, the only places that have managed it have done so by being very restrictive.  

[coastal.view]

4 minutes ago, stawns said:

You're looking at numbers in the hospital, not numbers of infected people, which we have no idea how big or small that number is.  Our numbers are low because we have buy in from enough people.........do you think the virus is gone?  What's going to happen when we ease off?

 

Were only a month into tgis,........that's like scoring a goal in the first 10 mins and hoping we win 1-0

 

 

we are a month into the sort of lockdown situation we are presently in

when everything was tightened down

 

the first case in bc was identified right around january 25

it was managed effectively from the get go

 

so we are more then 10 weeks into the coronavirus fight

 

if long term care home numbers were not a real thing,

they involve a clearly fragile population that was badly impacted,

the overall numbers in bc would be very optimistic

 

 

[Warhippy]

6 hours ago, Me_ said:

The amount of flights at 0900 in America. 

A large part of why America hasn't even hit the peak of wave one.

[coastal.view]

well this debate appears to simply be about timing

 

i think it is near time to alter in a minor way a few things

 

but opening things up a bit will be coming

as the stated goal of getting the virus outbreak under control has been achieved somewhat

 

i have no problem waiting another week

i just would like to start hearing some plans about some minor changes to the current state of things

 

my original post which started this latest go round

simply said that restaurants that did a good job with spacing customers

and behaving carefully

and which were shut down anyway

should be allowed to resume on a restrictive basis

i think some restrictive services can be allowed to resume in the near future

Edited April 12, 2020 by coastal.view

[stawns]

8 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

well this debate appears to simply be about timing

 

i think it is near time to alter in a minor way a few things

 

but opening things up a bit will be coming

as the stated goal of getting the virus outbreak under control has been achieved somewhat

 

i have no problem waiting another week

i just would like to start hearing some plans about some minor changes to the current state of things

 

my original post which started this latest go round

simply said that restaurants that did a good job with spacing customers

and behaving carefully

and which were shut down anyway

should be allowed to resume on a restrictive basis

i think some restrictive services can be allowed to resume in the near future

Personally, I think restaurants are one of the likeliest means of another outbreak.  The takeout option is working fine for now......there's better steps to be taken before restaurants

[Gurn]

22 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

if long term care home numbers were not a real thing,

they involve a clearly fragile population that was badly impacted,

the overall numbers in bc would be very optimistic

does anyone have the actual numbers of people, that lived in these care homes, that have passed away from Covid?

[coastal.view]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

Personally, I think restaurants are one of the likeliest means of another outbreak.  The takeout option is working fine for now......there's better steps to be taken before restaurants

really?

how is sitting at an acceptable distance

in a restaurant

much different then standing in line ups at an acceptable distance for almost everything you might want to get currently

 

i think you have built into your thinking

that the level of current infections is higher then it actually is

there is very little out there presently

but the risk of that increasing is very real

so we cannot let down our personal guard

we are the ones who have to remain disciplined to keep these numbers down

if we can all continue to manage distance, hand washing, staying home when unwell

that is what will make the critical difference

 

the province has a pretty good handle on where the infections are (both reported and most of the unreported cases)

and have already shown

they can act quickly and effectively

when they see indications of new cases/outbreaks

 

anyway... this will happen

it's simply about timing

and listening to what our experts determine is the smartest way

to slowly open things up again

 

but i don't think reopening restaurants in a restrictive manner

is the most important issue

it just happens to be a bit higher on my personal list of priorities

anyway, i have posted this topic to death for now

so i'm done with it for today

[coastal.view]

1 minute ago, gurn said:

does anyone have the actual numbers of people, that lived in these care homes, that have passed away from Covid?

yeah i believe it is right around 40 of the 58 current deaths

i can find a more accurate response though

but i think dr. henry mentioned that in the last day or 2 of her updates

[stawns]

1 minute ago, coastal.view said:

really?

how is sitting at an acceptable distance

in a restaurant

much different then standing in line ups at an acceptable distance for almost everything you might want to get currently

 

i think you have built into your thinking

that the level of current infections is higher then it actually is

there is very little out there presently

but the risk of that increasing is very real

so we cannot let down our personal guard

we are the ones who have to remain disciplined to keep these numbers down

if we can all continue to manage distance, hand washing, staying home when unwell

that is what will make the critical difference

 

the province has a pretty good handle on where the infections are (both reported and most of the unreported cases)

and have already shown

they can act quickly and effectively

when they see indications of new cases/outbreaks

 

anyway... this will happen

it's simply about timing

and listening to what our experts determine is the smartest way

to slowly open things up again

 

but i don't think reopening restaurants in a restrictive manner

is the most important issue

it just happens to be a bit higher on my personal list of priorities

anyway, i have posted this topic to death for now

so i'm done with it for today

Well, I haven't been tested and positive I have it and I know three others in the same boat.  My gf has zero symptoms but almost certainly has it in her system (or did) and I'm sure she's not the only one in that boat either.

 

It's not about the social distancing in a restaurant, it's about plates, bowls, utensils, glasses etc etc etc.  

[stawns]

4 minutes ago, coastal.view said:

really?

how is sitting at an acceptable distance

in a restaurant

much different then standing in line ups at an acceptable distance for almost everything you might want to get currently

 

i think you have built into your thinking

that the level of current infections is higher then it actually is

there is very little out there presently

but the risk of that increasing is very real

so we cannot let down our personal guard

we are the ones who have to remain disciplined to keep these numbers down

if we can all continue to manage distance, hand washing, staying home when unwell

that is what will make the critical difference

 

the province has a pretty good handle on where the infections are (both reported and most of the unreported cases)

and have already shown

they can act quickly and effectively

when they see indications of new cases/outbreaks

 

anyway... this will happen

it's simply about timing

and listening to what our experts determine is the smartest way

to slowly open things up again

 

but i don't think reopening restaurants in a restrictive manner

is the most important issue

it just happens to be a bit higher on my personal list of priorities

anyway, i have posted this topic to death for now

so i'm done with it for today

What's wrong with the current take out model?  To me, the thats already a risk, but one that's acceptable.  It's working, why take the chance?