Coronavirus outbreak

[Bure_Pavel]

2 minutes ago, stawns said:

yet delta is still there according to the bccdc, regardless of how you feel about it.  I suspect you don't have a degree in epidemiology

“Delta is such a robust variant that it outcompeted Alpha, so we don't really see Alpha at all anymore,” he said. “It may just be that we need a little more time to see Omicron push Delta out.”  Dr. Gerald Evans, chair of Queen's University's infectious diseases division in Kingston

Ont.

January 31, 2022

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/has-the-delta-variant-disappeared-in-canada-1.5760611

[stawns]

2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

“Delta is such a robust variant that it outcompeted Alpha, so we don't really see Alpha at all anymore,” he said. “It may just be that we need a little more time to see Omicron push Delta out.”  Dr. Gerald Evans, chair of Queen's University's infectious diseases division in Kingston

Ont.

January 31, 2022

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/has-the-delta-variant-disappeared-in-canada-1.5760611

yet it's still there, according to bccdc

[thedestroyerofworlds]

2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

“Delta is such a robust variant that it outcompeted Alpha, so we don't really see Alpha at all anymore,” he said. “It may just be that we need a little more time to see Omicron push Delta out.”  Dr. Gerald Evans, chair of Queen's University's infectious diseases division in Kingston

Ont.

January 31, 2022

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/has-the-delta-variant-disappeared-in-canada-1.5760611

Yet, there are fools saying that we should end mandates/restrictions now.  Not tomorrow.  Not next week.  NOW.  That is the problem.   We need a little more time, but we have a bunch of impatient temper tantruming toddlers wanting it now.

[Bure_Pavel]

10 minutes ago, stawns said:

yet it's still there, according to bccdc

Yes it is still in existence at this time. 

[Bure_Pavel]

11 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

Yet, there are fools saying that we should end mandates/restrictions now.  Not tomorrow.  Not next week.  NOW.  That is the problem.   We need a little more time, but we have a bunch of impatient temper tantruming toddlers wanting it now.

Delta variant should not be a reason to keep mandates in effect because they likely make up less than 0.5% of all cases and declining every day. 

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said:

because they likely make up less than 0.5% of all cases and declining every day. 

It is likely, that without some link backing up your assertion, that most will ignore your post; and just go with what the medical professionals say.

[Bure_Pavel]

16 minutes ago, gurn said:

It is likely, that without some link backing up your assertion, that most will ignore your post; and just go with what the medical professionals say.

Please see previous posts on the previous page (2276) where links and quotes from medical professionals were provided. 

[stawns]

1 hour ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Delta variant should not be a reason to keep mandates in effect because they likely make up less than 0.5% of all cases and declining every day. 

according the link I gave, which was 4 days ago, delta makes up about .9% of the cases, but they don't really tst for variants, so they don't really know.  Omicron will drop off and delta will come back up, especially as restrictions are eased.  You are making a foolish assumption that the end of omicron is the end of the pandemic.

[Gurn]

15 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Please see previous posts on the previous page (2276) where links and quotes from medical professionals were provided. 

Thanks- found it.

2 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said:

No its not, Omciron was 99% of all cases last i checked and that was a week ago. 

 

"That’s because of the near-total dominance of omicron, which accounted for 99.5 percent of new Covid infections in the U.S. during the week that ended Jan. 15, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-antibody-treatments-dont-work-omicron-still-used-states-rcna12990 

I'll show the Canadian numbers - they are different.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html#VOC

 

1.2% Delta

 

Jan 23 20222

[NewbieCanuckFan]

4 minutes ago, stawns said:

according the link I gave, which was 4 days ago, delta makes up about .9% of the cases, but they don't really tst for variants, so they don't really know.  Omicron will drop off and delta will come back up, especially as restrictions are eased.  You are making a foolish assumption that the end of omicron is the end of the pandemic.

 “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark …“ 

[Bure_Pavel]

Just now, gurn said:

Thanks- found it.

I'll show the Canadian numbers - they are different.

https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/epidemiological-summary-covid-19-cases.html#VOC

 

1.2% Delta

 

Jan 23 20222

Now 3 weeks later, that number is gonna be smaller due to how dominant omicron is as a variant. The USA has had a faster spread of omicron than Canada. The speed in which Omicron took over from Delta was very rapid and widely documented. While that sounds bad it has been a blessing in disguise, as Delta was much more devastating to the respiratory system.   

[Gurn]

4 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Now 3 weeks later, that number is gonna be smaller due to how dominant omicron is as a variant. The USA has had a faster spread of omicron than Canada. The speed in which Omicron took over from Delta was very rapid and widely documented. While that sounds bad it has been a blessing in disguise, as Delta was much more devastating to the respiratory system.   

The percentage likely will be smaller, but it does not automatically follow that the actual number of cases will drop.

 

From the daily update, posted by Vintage on Monday

Over a three-day period, B.C. is reporting 2,701 new cases of COVID-19, for a total of 341,286 cases in the province:

• Feb. 11-12: 1,151 new cases
• Feb. 12-13: 883 new cases
• Feb. 13-14: 667 new cases'

 

2,701 x 1.2% = 32.41

So Delta is  still here.

 

[Bure_Pavel]

10 minutes ago, stawns said:

 Omicron will drop off and delta will come back up, especially as restrictions are eased.  You are making a foolish assumption that the end of omicron is the end of the pandemic.

Generally that is not how viruses work, Omicron being the dominant variant will eventually make Delta non existent as it is unable to compete for hosts. This might not be the end of the pandemic if another more dominant variant comes along, but until that time things are transitioning to an endemic. Cases are dropping and hospitalization are at a manageable level for the short term. Some countries have decided that at this point the social and economic risks have started outweighing the health risks to the general public and have chose to reopen.     

[stawns]

2 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Generally that is not how viruses work, Omicron being the dominant variant will eventually make Delta non existent as it is unable to compete for hosts. This might not be the end of the pandemic if another more dominant variant comes along, but until that time things are transitioning to an endemic. Cases are dropping and hospitalization are at a manageable level for the short term. Some countries have decided that at this point the social and economic risks have started outweighing the health risks to the general public and have chose to reopen.     

luckily, we have a government that goes by the scoence, not public [pressure from a vocal minority.  They know it's not time yet.

[Gurn]

9 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

Some countries have decided that at this point the social and economic risks have started outweighing the health risks to the general public and have chose to reopen.     

They have not decided at "this" point.

They decided on their point.

Timing is not the same country to country.

Some are closer to done, others are further behind.

[Bure_Pavel]

29 minutes ago, gurn said:

They have not decided at "this" point.

They decided on their point.

Timing is not the same country to country.

Some are closer to done, others are further behind.

Canada is a country that has high social and economic risks at the moment which need to be factored in as well. One think that could be worse than a pandemic is a depression.  There is a housing crisis, high inflation, and large government debt. Usually that is a recipe for disaster, unless you are rich of course.    

[Slegr]

Woot woot! Restrictions dropped on gatherings. I’m going to the Canuck game Saturday for sure now.

[Bure_Pavel]

14 minutes ago, Slegr said:

Woot woot! Restrictions dropped on gatherings. I’m going to the Canuck game Saturday for sure now.

Yeah pretty much full reopen if you are masked and vaxxed. The wedding part I'm really happy about. Its tough planning a covid wedding and is very possible to have a safe fun wedding even with dancing. I know people that had to cancel their weddings 3 times, and most people only get two a lifetime .   

[-Vintage Canuck-]

British Columbians’ COVID-19 efforts allow easing of restrictions:

 

British Columbia’s provincial health officer is easing COVID-19 restrictions while maintaining key protective measures to support the health and safety of all British Columbians.

 

While keeping the BC Vaccine Card, indoor masking requirements and COVID-19 safety plans in place, the provincial health officer will lift restrictions on personal gatherings, organized gatherings and events, nightclubs, bars and restaurants, exercise and fitness, and adult sports tournaments as of Wednesday, Feb. 16, 2022, at 11:59 p.m. (Pacific time). Capacity limits will return to normal.

 

“The last two years have challenged us like never before. But British Columbians have shown we can overcome anything if we work together,” said Premier John Horgan. “By following the science and looking out for each other, we are now in a position to carefully ease many COVID-19 restrictions. Our balanced, common-sense approach is based on the best advice from Dr. Henry – it will allow us to get back to many of the things we love and businesses to operate safely.”

 

Adrian Dix, Minister of Health, said: “Every moment of every day in our experience with COVID-19, British Columbians have made the difference that matters. Because of the difference we’ve all made and continue to make – getting vaccinated, following public-health measures and treating one another with respect, B.C. is proceeding with this balanced approach in easing restrictions.”

 

With more than 90% of eligible B.C. residents vaccinated with their second dose, British Columbia will transition to a sustainable COVID-19 management plan focusing on vaccination, self-monitoring and specific actions to protect those most at risk. The decision to ease restrictions is based on a careful review of data by the provincial health officer and the BC Centre for Disease Control. 

 

"These changes are taking effect after careful review of where we are in this pandemic, and the credit goes to all British Columbians for their action to protect themselves, their families and their communities," said Dr. Bonnie Henry, provincial health officer. “We will continue to rely on what is happening in B.C., science and evidence to guide our next steps in this journey to protect people from COVID-19 while safely easing restrictions.”

 

Based on hospitalization and critical care rates over the coming days and weeks, the provincial health officer will review the remaining protective measures by March 15, and again by April 12.

 

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2022HLTH0053-000219

[thedestroyerofworlds]

There it is.  

 

"Based on hospitalization and critical care rates over the coming days and weeks, the provincial health officer will review the remaining protective measures by March 15, and again by April 12."