Coronavirus outbreak

[RUPERTKBD]

3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

As to answering your question, I never said the Health Authority "tricked" me into taking anything. 

 

On 4/13/2023 at 10:06 AM, Elias Pettersson said:

  It feels like we were suckered into something...

You got me there....it was 'suckered" instead of "tricked".

 

My bad....

[johngould21]

On 4/13/2023 at 1:33 PM, Elias Pettersson said:

Anyways, I guess I have one less thing to worry about now.  No more booster shots for me.  Bonnie said it's okay not to get another one...

Depending on your age or if you have any pre existing medical history, I'd call a proper health authority, not debate it on a hockey teams discussion board.

[johngould21]

I had wondered why I never saw my neighbour out and about walking his dog. He's like clockwork. Turns out he contracted Covid, and yes he's had 5 shots. He's my age, mid to late 70's, seemingly in good health, exercises daily. He said for one day he felt like he'd been run over by a truck, but the next day he was on the mend. He isn't the only person I know of that's been hit by Covid. It's still around us, and luckily the majority of us are vaccinated.

[Alflives]

On 4/13/2023 at 1:33 PM, Elias Pettersson said:

Anyways, I guess I have one less thing to worry about now.  No more booster shots for me.  Bonnie said it's okay not to get another one...

Is that exactly what dr. Bonnie said? Aren’t those in higher risk groups recommended to get boosters? For the general public it’s no longer recommended. I think that’s closer to what she said. 

[johngould21]

4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Is that exactly what dr. Bonnie said? Aren’t those in higher risk groups recommended to get boosters? For the general public it’s no longer recommended. I think that’s closer to what she said. 

Yep

[Elias Pettersson]

1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said:

 

You got me there....it was 'suckered" instead of "tricked".

 

My bad....

No worries my friend. It was time for me to let out a little steam. I needed to rant on this topic. I have family members that have been real hurt by all of this. And I know some of my CDC family has suffered through this as well. 

[Elias Pettersson]

50 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Is that exactly what dr. Bonnie said? Aren’t those in higher risk groups recommended to get boosters? For the general public it’s no longer recommended. I think that’s closer to what she said. 

For me yes, it’s no longer recommended. For others it’s a different story. For aliens I’m not sure you ever needed the shots to begin with so you don’t have to worry about it. 

[Elias Pettersson]

4 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

This is the statement from the Provincial health Website: https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2023HLTH0019-000307

 

“The National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) recently issued guidance on additional booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine. B.C. will be adopting this guidance; people at high risk of severe illness including individuals older than 80, all seniors in long-term care homes, Indigenous people older than 70 and people 18 and older who are moderately to severely immunocompromised can get a spring booster.

“In addition to high-risk individuals, people 60 and older, or Indigenous people 50 and older, who have not previously contracted COVID-19, can also consider receiving a spring booster dose.

“We also continue to encourage everyone six months and older to get immunized with a primary series and, if they’re eligible, a booster dose, including anyone 18 and over who has not yet received a bivalent booster dose.

 

Maybe you can point out the part where she says everyone needs a booster every 6 months.

 

I don’t believe Bonnie Henry herself ever said that. So that is my bad and I was wrong about that. This was a global pandemic so lots of things were said and theorized by many medical experts around the world including Dr. Fauci and the head of the WHO among others. 
 

There were discussions about having to take a booster at least on an annual basis. Or maybe every 6-8 months. I heard Dr. Fauci on many occasions talk about this. I’m not gonna try and find those clips or quotes though because at the end of the day it’s all a moot point. I don’t need to be proven right or wrong on this. It is what it is.
 

We are at a point now where it’s finally come to a place where a large part of society can move forward in a much more normal fashion while still maintaining the care needed for the more vulnerable. I’m lucky to have not been affected by this virus. But I know of others close to me who have been. I just don’t want to see a situation where more people have to suffer. When I read that article in the Vancouver Sun it triggered me and I was initially upset about it. But after more thought about it I feel a little better now. 

[Ghostsof1915]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

For me yes, it’s no longer recommended. For others it’s a different story. For aliens I’m not sure you ever needed the shots to begin with so you don’t have to worry about it. 

I think you have different things to fear from Aliens.

 

 

[Westcoasting]

I don’t know what to think anymore. My brother in Edmonton has had all his shots, had Covid in October and it was the normal two week sickness… he just got it again a couple weeks ago and now he is in hospital. Kidney failure and Covid rash and very very sick   

[Ghostsof1915]

37 minutes ago, Westcoasting said:

I don’t know what to think anymore. My brother in Edmonton has had all his shots, had Covid in October and it was the normal two week sickness… he just got it again a couple weeks ago and now he is in hospital. Kidney failure and Covid rash and very very sick   

All I know is I have type 2 diabetes, and high blood pressure. And I have not been hospitalized once. And according to testing I haven't gotten covid. But have had flus and headcolds. As long as it keeps me out of a hospital and a tube being jammed down my throat. I'll keep getting vaccines.

[Westcoasting]

1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said:

All I know is I have type 2 diabetes, and high blood pressure. And I have not been hospitalized once. And according to testing I haven't gotten covid. But have had flus and headcolds. As long as it keeps me out of a hospital and a tube being jammed down my throat. I'll keep getting vaccines.

Likewise brother  I had it in September and it was two days of bad and a week and a half of feeling blah. And my wife didn’t get it at all and she didn’t even keep distance or anything.

[thedestroyerofworlds]

 

 

https://www.buffalo.edu/news/releases/2023/04/015.html

 

Big data study refutes anti-vax blood clot claims about COVID-19 vaccines

Study found excess risk of blood clots was 1.4 cases per 1 million people vaccinated, far fewer than cases caused by COVID-19

 

 

BUFFALO, N.Y. – A study led by University at Buffalo researchers has confirmed that contrary to claims by anti-vaccine proponents, COVID-19 vaccines pose only trivial risk of venous thromboembolism (VTE), or blood clots. In addition, the study found that becoming infected with COVID-19 poses a significant risk of blood clots.

 

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The paper was published online Feb. 1 in the Journal of Clinical and Translational Science.

“This population-based study found only a trivial risk for VTE following COVID-19 vaccination,” said Peter L. Elkin, MD, first author on the paper and UB Distinguished Professor and chair of the Department of Biomedical Informatics in the Jacobs School of Medicine and Biomedical Sciences at UB.

“Given the large risk of VTE from COVID-19 infection, the risk-benefit ratio strongly favored vaccination,” said Elkin, also a physician with UBMD Internal Medicine.

The study was launched in order to investigate whether or not receiving a COVID-19 vaccine put one at higher risk for developing VTE, a claim that had circulated widely on social media and in mainstream media.

‘We wanted to know the truth’

“There was concern by some that COVID-19 vaccination might cause undue harm and VTE was one of the mechanisms implicated by anti-vaxxers,” Elkin said. “We wanted to know the truth.”

The study period ran from Jan. 1, 2020 (just prior to the detection in the U.S. of COVID-19) until March 6, 2022, and was based on data from veterans aged 45 years and older from the Department of Veterans Affairs National Surveillance Tool. The data included 855,686 people who had received at least one dose of a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine and an unvaccinated control group of 321,676 people.

To clearly identify whether the vaccines might impact risk for VTE, the researchers accounted for many factors that are predictors for VTE, including age, race, sex, body mass index and others.

The study found that vaccinated individuals had a VTE rate of 1.3755 per 1,000 people, which is 0.1% over the baseline VTE rate of 1.3741 per 1,000 in unvaccinated people.

1.4 more cases per million patients

“The excess risk was about 1.4 cases per million patients vaccinated,” said Elkin. “Given the fact that the rate of VTE with COVID-19 is several orders of magnitude greater than the trivial risk from vaccination, our study reinforces the safety and importance of staying current with COVID 19 vaccinations.”

He said it has been reported in other studies that the very slight increased risk for VTE in a few vaccinated patients may be attributed to a phenomenon called Vaccine Induced Immune Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT). VITT is an immune response that results in fewer platelets that are also malformed and stickier, which can lead to VTE.

Elkin noted that the study is an example of how translational science can be applied to the most important scientific questions that face society today, in this case by demonstrating the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.

“This study shows the power of big data where we can use electronic health record data in a rigorous way to answer questions that could never be properly answered with a randomized controlled trial due to the small effect size and the need to recruit millions of patients to the trial,” he said. 

“It’s an example of how biomedical informatics is answering important clinical questions that can help people to recognize the benefit of COVID-19 vaccination and improve adherence to this approved clinical guideline,” said Elkin.

Other UB co-authors are Wilmon McCray, Melissa Resnick, Kendria Hall and Gillian Franklin. Other co-authors are from the Department of Veterans Affairs, Knowledge-based Systems and the VA Western New York Healthcare System; Harvard Medical School and the University of Vermont. 

The research was funded in part by grants from the National Library of Medicine and the National Center for the Advancement of Translational Sciences (NCATS) of the National Institutes of Health.

Elkin is the Informatics Core director for UB’s Clinical and Translational Science Institute, which is funded by NIH NCATS. 

 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

Not Covid-19 related, but vaccine research is advancing.  Only Phase 1  but hopefully we can get universal vaccines soon.

 

 

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/vrc-uni-flu-vax

Universal Influenza Candidate Vaccine Performs Well in Phase 1 Trial

[thedestroyerofworlds]

So study that wasn't peer reviewed had revisions done by crazy surgeon general.  You don't say.  Of course his "study" got shared around by the anti-vaxx crowd.  And of course it was flawed and incorrect.

 

 

 

Florida surgeon general altered Covid-19 vaccine analysis to suggest higher risk for younger men, Politico reports

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/25/health/florida-covid-vaccine-analysis-ladapo/index.html

[thedestroyerofworlds]

Seen this posted on Reddit.   Boston Mass.  

 

3 plus years.

 

 

 

 

[VancouverHabitant]

On 4/17/2023 at 2:18 PM, thedestroyerofworlds said:

 

 

https://www.buffalo.edu/news/releases/2023/04/015.html

 

Big data study refutes anti-vax blood clot claims about COVID-19 vaccines

Study found excess risk of blood clots was 1.4 cases per 1 million people vaccinated, far fewer than cases caused by COVID-19

 

 

BUFFALO, N.Y. – A study led by University at Buffalo researchers has confirmed that contrary to claims by anti-vaccine proponents, COVID-19 vaccines pose only trivial risk of venous thromboembolism (VTE), or blood clots. In addition, the study found that becoming infected with COVID-19 poses a significant risk of blood clots.

 

RELATED ASSETS:

Media Contact InformationFind a UB Expert

 

The paper was published online Feb. 1 in the Journal of Clinical and Translational Science.

“This population-based study found only a trivial risk for VTE following COVID-19 vaccination,” said Peter L. Elkin, MD, first author on the paper and UB Distinguished Professor and chair of the Department of Biomedical Informatics in the Jacobs School of Medicine and Biomedical Sciences at UB.

“Given the large risk of VTE from COVID-19 infection, the risk-benefit ratio strongly favored vaccination,” said Elkin, also a physician with UBMD Internal Medicine.

The study was launched in order to investigate whether or not receiving a COVID-19 vaccine put one at higher risk for developing VTE, a claim that had circulated widely on social media and in mainstream media.

‘We wanted to know the truth’

“There was concern by some that COVID-19 vaccination might cause undue harm and VTE was one of the mechanisms implicated by anti-vaxxers,” Elkin said. “We wanted to know the truth.”

The study period ran from Jan. 1, 2020 (just prior to the detection in the U.S. of COVID-19) until March 6, 2022, and was based on data from veterans aged 45 years and older from the Department of Veterans Affairs National Surveillance Tool. The data included 855,686 people who had received at least one dose of a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine and an unvaccinated control group of 321,676 people.

To clearly identify whether the vaccines might impact risk for VTE, the researchers accounted for many factors that are predictors for VTE, including age, race, sex, body mass index and others.

The study found that vaccinated individuals had a VTE rate of 1.3755 per 1,000 people, which is 0.1% over the baseline VTE rate of 1.3741 per 1,000 in unvaccinated people.

1.4 more cases per million patients

“The excess risk was about 1.4 cases per million patients vaccinated,” said Elkin. “Given the fact that the rate of VTE with COVID-19 is several orders of magnitude greater than the trivial risk from vaccination, our study reinforces the safety and importance of staying current with COVID 19 vaccinations.”

He said it has been reported in other studies that the very slight increased risk for VTE in a few vaccinated patients may be attributed to a phenomenon called Vaccine Induced Immune Thrombotic Thrombocytopenia (VITT). VITT is an immune response that results in fewer platelets that are also malformed and stickier, which can lead to VTE.

Elkin noted that the study is an example of how translational science can be applied to the most important scientific questions that face society today, in this case by demonstrating the safety of COVID-19 vaccines.

“This study shows the power of big data where we can use electronic health record data in a rigorous way to answer questions that could never be properly answered with a randomized controlled trial due to the small effect size and the need to recruit millions of patients to the trial,” he said. 

“It’s an example of how biomedical informatics is answering important clinical questions that can help people to recognize the benefit of COVID-19 vaccination and improve adherence to this approved clinical guideline,” said Elkin.

Other UB co-authors are Wilmon McCray, Melissa Resnick, Kendria Hall and Gillian Franklin. Other co-authors are from the Department of Veterans Affairs, Knowledge-based Systems and the VA Western New York Healthcare System; Harvard Medical School and the University of Vermont. 

The research was funded in part by grants from the National Library of Medicine and the National Center for the Advancement of Translational Sciences (NCATS) of the National Institutes of Health.

Elkin is the Informatics Core director for UB’s Clinical and Translational Science Institute, which is funded by NIH NCATS. 

 

 

Alternatively, this could've been titled:  

 

"1.3 people per million suffer VTE in unvaccinated group, 2.7 people per million suffer in the vaccinated group" 

 

or alternatively 

 

"100% increase in VTE for those who are vaccinated"  

 

 

When it came time to scare people about the later strains of Covid, we always saw relative percentages that produced big numbers.  

 

[VancouverHabitant]

On 4/25/2023 at 12:13 PM, thedestroyerofworlds said:

So study that wasn't peer reviewed had revisions done by crazy surgeon general.  You don't say.  Of course his "study" got shared around by the anti-vaxx crowd.  And of course it was flawed and incorrect.

 

 

 

Florida surgeon general altered Covid-19 vaccine analysis to suggest higher risk for younger men, Politico reports

 

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/25/health/florida-covid-vaccine-analysis-ladapo/index.html

 

Hard to take CNN seriously on anything Pfizer-related.  

 

 

 

I know it's become taboo to say anything bad against vaccines, but I really believe that people will be ashamed of themselves in the future for being the ones calling other people anti-vaxxers in order to shame them.  

 

I feel kind of stupid for taking the vaccines now.  As more and more numbers are coming out, we see the claims of the vaccine preventing re-infection, preventing spread, and lessening the symptoms (risk of hospitalization) as more or less BS.  

It no doubt helped the older population over 70, but there was no need to force people 50 and under to take it or else lose their job.  

[Playoff Beered]

12 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

 

Hard to take CNN seriously on anything Pfizer-related.  

 

 

 

I know it's become taboo to say anything bad against vaccines, but I really believe that people will be ashamed of themselves in the future for being the ones calling other people anti-vaxxers in order to shame them.  

 

I feel kind of stupid for taking the vaccines now.  As more and more numbers are coming out, we see the claims of the vaccine preventing re-infection, preventing spread, and lessening the symptoms (risk of hospitalization) as more or less BS.  

It no doubt helped the older population over 70, but there was no need to force people 50 and under to take it or else lose their job.  

Ya, lets take "ClownWorld" seriously, who sponsors them I wonder?

[RUPERTKBD]

Yeah, can't speak for the legitimacy of "Clownworld" as an authority on Global Pandemics, but this article by BMJ (formerly the British medical Journal) is peer reviewed and not funded by any government....

 

It also strongly suggests that Vaccines are effective:

 

https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/new-study-shows-fewer-people-die-from-covid-19-in-better-vaccinated-communities/

 

Quote

 

This study adds to the evidence that vaccination can prevent infection and illness on a large scale, writes Professor Christopher Dye at the University of Oxford in a linked editorial.

“The findings of this study also make clear that many more lives could have been saved, and will be saved, by encouraging people to keep up to date with vaccination in the face of waning immunity and new coronavirus variants and by achieving even higher population coverage,” he adds.

“How many lives is a matter for others to explore. Meanwhile, this new study is another confidence booster for covid-19 vaccines,” he concludes.

 

Full story in the link.