Coronavirus outbreak

[JM_]

20 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Except both science and logic confirms that as an added layer of protection, masking helps.  Especially if the masking is done properly, ie. not with your nose sticking out like a pecker from an unzipped pair of pants.

they do help, but you still need to be careful. My wife had to spend about 90 minutes at an appointment with her dad last month, everyone wearing masks, still picked up the vid. Sometimes you can't avoid too long of an exposure. 

 

But I'm also certain the vaccines made the experience a lot better than what it cold have been. She really only had two days where she was off her feet. 

 

Edited October 20, 2022 by JM_

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

11 minutes ago, JM_ said:

they do help, but you still need to be careful. My wife had to spend about 90 minutes at an appointment with her dad last month, everyone wearing masks, still picked up the vid. Sometimes you can't avoid too long of an exposure. 

 

But I'm also certain the vaccines made the experience a lot better than what it cold have been. She really only had two days where she was off her feet. 

 

Sure, but you missed the key point.  Ron's contention was that people exercising caution by masking was (in his mind) a display of fear and an affront to science and logic.  My point is that the science and logic don't support his contention.

 

Not to mention that choosing to exercise caution is not a display of fear; in fact, it's a prudent approach to an unknown situation.  Knowing him personally though, prudent doesn't seem to be in his vocabulary - and if it is, he certainly doesn't seem to exercise it all that much.

Edited October 20, 2022 by 6of1_halfdozenofother

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[4petesake]

1 hour ago, bishopshodan said:

Speaking of Joe and flat earthers...

I hope Joe 'debates' this guy.

 

No wait, you're right I hope he doesnt

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2022/10/19/23412072/ufcs-bryce-mitchell-vows-to-smoke-joe-rogan-in-flat-earth-debate-mma-news

 

 

 

“Gravity ain’t real…”

 

 

 

[bishopshodan]

2 minutes ago, 4petesake said:

“Gravity ain’t real…”

 

 

 

I think they get the dumb idea because gravity hasn't been proven to be a quantum force. Not that anyone really truly understands quantum mechanics, let alone a guy like that ufc fighter. However, they probably heard that fact and decided that it fits with their reasoning. 

From what I remember from my flat earth pod cast listening about gravity, is they believe the force that makes things fall is that the earth is consistently moving upward 

[Gurn]

39 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

is they believe the force that makes things fall is that the earth is consistently moving upward 

Yet they are unable to provide footage, of people on the other side, of the flat earth, falling off the planet

[4petesake]

10 minutes ago, gurn said:

Yet they are unable to provide footage, of people on the other side, of the flat earth, falling off the planet

If the earth was flat cats would have knocked that sh!t off the edge already.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Sure, but you missed the key point.  Ron's contention was that people exercising caution by masking was (in his mind) a display of fear and an affront to science and logic.  My point is that the science and logic don't support his contention.

 

Not to mention that choosing to exercise caution is not a display of fear; in fact, it's a prudent approach to an unknown situation.  Knowing him personally though, prudent doesn't seem to be in his vocabulary - and if it is, he certainly doesn't seem to exercise it all that much.

I was sort of more adding to Ron's point, in that masks aren't always a guarantee. 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

18 minutes ago, JM_ said:

I was sort of more adding to Ron's point, in that masks aren't always a guarantee. 

Nothing is guaranteed in life, except for death and taxes.  Even vaccination is just another layer of protection.  However, the fact remains that every layer helps.

[JM_]

47 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Nothing is guaranteed in life, except for death and taxes.  Even vaccination is just another layer of protection.  However, the fact remains that every layer helps.

for a while. Its not a good idea to give the impression that a mask will protect you all the time, because there are conditions where they don't. 

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

25 minutes ago, JM_ said:

for a while. Its not a good idea to give the impression that a mask will protect you all the time, because there are conditions where they don't. 

There you go moving the goalposts again.  

Nobody said that masks will protect all the time.

[JM_]

Just now, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

There you go moving the goalposts again.  

Nobody said that masks will protect all the time.

meh, no one moved anything. I don't have any agenda here. If you can't talk about this without getting moody maybe don't respond to me. 

[Jimmy James]

1 hour ago, JM_ said:

for a while. Its not a good idea to give the impression that a mask will protect you all the time, because there are conditions where they don't. 

Condoms are 98% effective. I’m pretty sure people are capable of accepting reality, and making it work.
 

Nobody ever said masks were a fail-safe, they were only ever a protective layer for crowded areas. Outrageously effective at reducing infection. 
 

All of BC’s doctors saw and were exposed to Covid patients throughout the last few years. Vaccines, masks and PPE’s worked really well for them. That strong evidence in my book.

Edited October 21, 2022 by Jimmy James

[I.Am.Ironman]

4 hours ago, 4petesake said:

“Gravity ain’t real…”

 

 

 

I've crawled through that exact tunnel... ass puckering for sure. Hands are sweating just thinking about it. It's in Switzerland.

[KristoffWixenschon]

1 hour ago, Jimmy James said:

Condoms are 98% effective. I’m pretty sure people are capable of accepting reality, and making it work.
 

Nobody ever said masks were a fail-safe, they were only ever a protective layer for crowded areas. Outrageously effective at reducing infection. 
 

All of BC’s doctors saw and were exposed to Covid patients throughout the last few years. Vaccines, masks and PPE’s worked really well for them. That strong evidence in my book.

That's a properly fitted N95 mask vs an improperly worn decorative cloth mask. 

 

I still feel like the cloth masks do help somewhat. But you're probably both right. Masks were probably helpful to reduce some transmission. But also, people can get way too complacent wearing a cloth mask that doesnt work as well as they think it does.

[4petesake]

57 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

I've crawled through that exact tunnel... ass puckering for sure. Hands are sweating just thinking about it. It's in Switzerland.

Can.NOT.even…

Feel a little nauseous just watching someone else do it.

[Jimmy James]

1 hour ago, KristoffWixenschon said:

That's a properly fitted N95 mask vs an improperly worn decorative cloth mask. 

 

I still feel like the cloth masks do help somewhat. But you're probably both right. Masks were probably helpful to reduce some transmission. But also, people can get way too complacent wearing a cloth mask that doesnt work as well as they think it does.

You’re not wrong there

 

cloth masks are to the N95, what the sponge or the rhythm-method is to birth control. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Jimmy James

[WeneedLumme]

14 hours ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said:

Sure, but you missed the key point.  Ron's contention was that people exercising caution by masking was (in his mind) a display of fear and an affront to science and logic.  My point is that the science and logic don't support his contention.

 

Not to mention that choosing to exercise caution is not a display of fear; in fact, it's a prudent approach to an unknown situation.  Knowing him personally though, prudent doesn't seem to be in his vocabulary - and if it is, he certainly doesn't seem to exercise it all that much.

Yeah, hard to take someone seriously who is proud of the fact that he evaded the mask mandates by the clever ruse of carrying around a plastic cup for hours. Personally I consider the people who did that to be disgusting, much like the people who evaded the vax requirements for travelling by using forged vax passports.

Edited October 21, 2022 by WeneedLumme

[JM_]

10 hours ago, Jimmy James said:

Condoms are 98% effective. I’m pretty sure people are capable of accepting reality, and making it work.
 

Nobody ever said masks were a fail-safe, they were only ever a protective layer for crowded areas. Outrageously effective at reducing infection. 
 

All of BC’s doctors saw and were exposed to Covid patients throughout the last few years. Vaccines, masks and PPE’s worked really well for them. That strong evidence in my book.

they did, but PPE is actually further down the list of protections than other options. There's also a big difference between respirators and masks. 

 

The point I was making, without trying to win the internet, is that I can understand why Ron would raise it as an issue. 

 

[RUPERTKBD]

On 10/19/2022 at 2:58 PM, KristoffWixenschon said:

Probably because they dont feel that they will receive much benefit from an additional dose.

Indications seem to be that young, healthy, double or triple vaccinated people, who have already had covid, do not receive any benefit from additional doses. 

Older people and the immune compromised seem to be a different story and should probably continue boosting.

That's possible in some cases, but the poster I was responding to was suggesting that people who were not getting boosted, hadn't want to get vaccinated at all and only did so because they were "forced" to....