Alflives Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, SniperSingh said: Thank you for the personal attack and insults. Ironic We agree to disagree. Have a blessed life and great evening. Vaccines are good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 hours ago, SniperSingh said: A couple of items to consider as I have not read this whole discussion. But firstly, the companies involved in the covid vaccine have no legal liability for adverse outcomes because the vaccine was approved under the emergency authorization act (in the USA), and I would suspect similar protections exist globally. Secondly, there was not a proper clinical study. As someone who's invested in alot of Biotech stocks, you cannot approve any medication as fast as they have, because clinical trials for vaccines and medications typically take up to ten years. In effect, any of us who took the vaccines were the 'test cohort'. Third, no independent parties reviewed these vaccines. They reviewed selective data from the pharma companies. If you aren't aware, there was a lawsuit in the USA to force Pfizer to release all of their test data, as they said they would release it in 55 years! One has to ask, why would they want to wait 55 years? I am not saying they have something to hide but is sure suggests as such! Pfizer lost and have been slowly dribbling out their data. If the vaccines where "reviewed" the data would have been out there so your view is incorrect, the courts had to force them to release post pandemic due to a lawsuit. I am not arguing either way, here, I am just providing some facts to consider. None of this was explained to us when we took the vaccines, we were told they were "safe". However, based on what is a typical process, there is no way they could have said they were safe, and if they were not and are not (long term) no one pays the price, other than those of us who took it. Awareness is key. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html Just gonna leave these here https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/covid-vaccine/testing https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html https://covid19.nih.gov/nih-strategic-response-covid-19/decades-making-mrna-covid-19-vaccines How has development been sped up amid the pandemic? Under normal circumstances, during which the stages of vaccine development occur sequentially, a vaccine takes eight to fifteen years on average to get from the lab into the hands of health-care providers. The fastest a vaccine had ever been developed before this pandemic was four years. Following the emergence of COVID-19, however, researchers around the globe accelerated the process by carrying out stages of development simultaneously and by looking to new vaccine technologies. “What we’re seeing is remarkable,” said Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, in late 2020. “It is a scientific tour de force. ” The U.S. Operation Warp Speed timeline hinged on overlapping stages of development; mass production started for strong candidates even while clinical trials were ongoing. Before their vaccines were approved, Moderna received $2.5 billion in a deal under Warp Speed that included the purchase of one hundred million doses, while Pfizer and BioNTech signed a $1.95 billion contract to manufacture and distribute one hundred million doses of their vaccine. After President Joe Biden took office, his administration purchased over a billion additional doses, the majority of which have been donated to other countries. Another way researchers have quickened the process is by focusing on new vaccine approaches. RNA- and DNA-based vaccines can be developed far faster than conventional vaccines, which require months at a time of growing antigens in animal or insect cells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Just gonna leave these here https://www.umms.org/coronavirus/covid-vaccine/testing https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html https://covid19.nih.gov/nih-strategic-response-covid-19/decades-making-mrna-covid-19-vaccines How has development been sped up amid the pandemic? Under normal circumstances, during which the stages of vaccine development occur sequentially, a vaccine takes eight to fifteen years on average to get from the lab into the hands of health-care providers. The fastest a vaccine had ever been developed before this pandemic was four years. Following the emergence of COVID-19, however, researchers around the globe accelerated the process by carrying out stages of development simultaneously and by looking to new vaccine technologies. “What we’re seeing is remarkable,” said Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, in late 2020. “It is a scientific tour de force. ” The U.S. Operation Warp Speed timeline hinged on overlapping stages of development; mass production started for strong candidates even while clinical trials were ongoing. Before their vaccines were approved, Moderna received $2.5 billion in a deal under Warp Speed that included the purchase of one hundred million doses, while Pfizer and BioNTech signed a $1.95 billion contract to manufacture and distribute one hundred million doses of their vaccine. After President Joe Biden took office, his administration purchased over a billion additional doses, the majority of which have been donated to other countries. Another way researchers have quickened the process is by focusing on new vaccine approaches. RNA- and DNA-based vaccines can be developed far faster than conventional vaccines, which require months at a time of growing antigens in animal or insect cells. This thread is giving me PTSD. One of the things not highlighted here is that the mRNA vaccine method had been in development and testing for some time. It was just adapted to COVID 19. So they weren’t starting and testing a process from scratch much of the testing had been done, just not with the specific COVID sequences. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, SniperSingh said: Thanks You do understand that a big part of testing vaccines is to understand long term affects right? This cannot occur in the timeline we had. As i said, we are the test cohort. anyways, I’ve done much more research on this than most here and have my views. we agree to disagree I've done more research than you. See how easy it is to make that claim? Post your results. The experts do not agree with you. If you have a differing point of view due to some level of research you've completed, post your research and findings. If not, just... don't. Really. Edited June 21, 2023 by Warhippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, SniperSingh said: Thanks You do understand that a big part of testing vaccines is to understand long term affects right? This cannot occur in the timeline we had. As i said, we are the test cohort. anyways, I’ve done much more research on this than most here and have my views. we agree to disagree So you then see that there was no way for the testing you clearly want to have happened to have occurred. As you said, this cannot occur in the timeline we had. We had a pandemic and things needed to happen fast. However, what you've said does not dismiss the fact that prior testing before covid hit would have been done, making it not as bad as you're making it out to be. Stating you've done more research means nothing. It could mean you did your due diligence or it could mean you researched only to appease confirmation bias. And based on what I've read for the past 3 years in this thread, I would fully trust @DrJockitch well before I would ever consider someone randomly showing up saying "I did all the research". But hey, we agree to disagree, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 49 minutes ago, SniperSingh said: Thanks You do understand that a big part of testing vaccines is to understand long term affects right? This cannot occur in the timeline we had. As i said, we are the test cohort. anyways, I’ve done much more research on this than most here and have my views. we agree to disagree That can not occur in the setting of any pandemic or outbreak by the timelines that you have forced on the conversation. This wasn’t the vaccine development for a long term indolent infection like HPV, it was a rapidly progressing severe respiratory virus that killed millions and swamped health care systems globally. They built on established science and testing and adapted to the situation in what was a marvellous scientific and political achievement. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 52 minutes ago, SniperSingh said: Thanks You do understand that a big part of testing vaccines is to understand long term affects right? This cannot occur in the timeline we had. As i said, we are the test cohort. anyways, I’ve done much more research on this than most here and have my views. Just so you know, the "Dr" on his username isn't just an affectation.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 1 hour ago, SniperSingh said: Thanks You do understand that a big part of testing vaccines is to understand long term affects right? This cannot occur in the timeline we had. As i said, we are the test cohort. anyways, I’ve done much more research on this than most here and have my views. we agree to disagree Tell us of a side effect that occurred after 60 days for any vaccine. We will wait. We will shortly reach the 3 year anniversary of the thousands who participated in the clinical trials. There are millions who have been fully vaccinated for 2 and 1/2 years. It's been 2 years for me. And many of those have had boosters. We're all waiting for these long-term side effects to kick in. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 33 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: Tell us of a side effect that occurred after 60 days for any vaccine. We will wait. We will shortly reach the 3 year anniversary of the thousands who participated in the clinical trials. There are millions who have been fully vaccinated for 2 and 1/2 years. It's been 2 years for me. And many of those have had boosters. We're all waiting for these long-term side effects to kick in. Has anyone ever convinced an anti-vaxer to actually think about anything that conflicts with their agenda? Facts and logic mean nothing to the willfully ignorant. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted June 21, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) The fundamental issue is we're approaching or have eclipsed over 8-9 billion injections with less than 400,000 recorded and confirmed VAERS events from the vaccine worldwide. Of those 400k less than 3% were fatal. Less than 10% were life altering. 3% of 400,000 is 12000 ish 10% of 400,000 is 40,000 40,000 as a percentage from the almost 9 billion injections given is 0.004% of all total injections that have resulted in a significant recorded VAERS incident. Just for reference. You stand a greater chance of winning the lottery on back to back to back draws than you do of actually having a significant VAERS related issue from the covid vaccine when you compile and compare the numbers. But...I've done more research than most. Edited June 21, 2023 by Warhippy 1 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Sounds to me like somebody is trying to get the Covid thread moved to the Adults Table 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 8 hours ago, Wilbur said: Sounds to me like somebody is trying to get the Covid thread moved to the Adults Table I would imagine that the anti-vaxers have mixed feelings about that. On the one hand they like to pretend that Covid doesn't exist, and hiding the thread in the Adults Table would help them with that goal. But on the other hand, they enjoy trolling civilized people, and hiding the Covid thread would limit their opportunities to do that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 20 minutes ago, WeneedLumme said: I would imagine that the anti-vaxers have mixed feelings about that. On the one hand they like to pretend that Covid doesn't exist, and hiding the thread in the Adults Table would help them with that goal. But on the other hand, they enjoy trolling civilized people, and hiding the Covid thread would limit their opportunities to do that. Antivaxxers like to pretend Covid doesn’t exist or is just a flu so they don’t need to be vaccinated until they get it and need a hospital. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thedestroyerofworlds Posted July 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted July 7, 2023 I thought I'd drop this here. There are numerous mRNA treatments/vaccines being tested right now. This is but one example. Cancer treatments get tested and approved using clinical trials that have significantly fewer participants than the Covid mRNA vaccines. We should be thanking the development of the Covid mRNA vaccines because they proved the technology on a vast scale. Now, these specialized mRNA treatments/vaccines can make their way into our lives. Saving lives. https://www.mskcc.org/news/can-mrna-vaccines-fight-pancreatic-cancer-msk-clinical-researchers-are-trying-find-out MSK mRNA Pancreatic Cancer Vaccine Trial Shows Promising Results 5 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mando27 Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: I thought I'd drop this here. There are numerous mRNA treatments/vaccines being tested right now. This is but one example. Cancer treatments get tested and approved using clinical trials that have significantly fewer participants than the Covid mRNA vaccines. We should be thanking the development of the Covid mRNA vaccines because they proved the technology on a vast scale. Now, these specialized mRNA treatments/vaccines can make their way into our lives. Saving lives. https://www.mskcc.org/news/can-mrna-vaccines-fight-pancreatic-cancer-msk-clinical-researchers-are-trying-find-out MSK mRNA Pancreatic Cancer Vaccine Trial Shows Promising Results Thanks for posting this hopefully it sees positive results. I lost my Mom to cancer last year and studies like this give me hope that others will never have to go through something like that in the future. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted July 13, 2023 Share Posted July 13, 2023 On 7/7/2023 at 10:19 AM, thedestroyerofworlds said: I thought I'd drop this here. There are numerous mRNA treatments/vaccines being tested right now. This is but one example. Cancer treatments get tested and approved using clinical trials that have significantly fewer participants than the Covid mRNA vaccines. We should be thanking the development of the Covid mRNA vaccines because they proved the technology on a vast scale. Now, these specialized mRNA treatments/vaccines can make their way into our lives. Saving lives. https://www.mskcc.org/news/can-mrna-vaccines-fight-pancreatic-cancer-msk-clinical-researchers-are-trying-find-out MSK mRNA Pancreatic Cancer Vaccine Trial Shows Promising Results That's excellent news. I wonder, if and when this vaccine is released to the public, if the Luddite anti-vaxers will still refuse to accept mRNA treatments. They seem to be absolutely determined to qualify for the Darwin Awards. I would be fine with that, since for the most part cancers are not contagious, unlike Covid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Beered Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 First genetic clue why some people do not get sick from COVID https://phys.org/news/2023-07-genetic-clue-people-sick-covid.html#:~:text=One in five of that,other people%2C the study said. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brilac Posted July 21, 2023 Share Posted July 21, 2023 19 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said: First genetic clue why some people do not get sick from COVID https://phys.org/news/2023-07-genetic-clue-people-sick-covid.html#:~:text=One in five of that,other people%2C the study said. That's interesting, I was reading a news article yesterday about this. I always thought it was blood type. My mother got really sick from Covid and she has a rare blood type and the other members of the household did not get sick except for my sister-in-law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Playoff Beered Posted August 3, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2023 (edited) Conservative Political Rhetoric Now Has an Official Body Count https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a44704968/jama-study-republican-covid-deaths/?src=socialflowTW Edited August 3, 2023 by Playoff Beered 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 3, 2023 Share Posted August 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, Playoff Beered said: Conservative Political Rhetoric Now Has an Official Body Count https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a44704968/jama-study-republican-covid-deaths/?src=socialflowTW I wonder if the “freeDUMB” types from Alberta would show similar results? 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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