Bure_Pavel Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, Smashian Kassian said: Fair enough. The fact he jumped into the SHL as a draft eligible is certainly a plus. Does this mean he's got more upside than other people, or that he's further ahead right now? I think that's the question. (Bare in mind just because your a DFD doesn't mean your inherently limited to being a #4D - Jonas Brodin, Ryan McDonagh) Some people believe Pickering has huge upside. I think we do need a stud shutdown guy that is hard to play against, not sure Pickering uses his size effectively yet. I like the fact that Bichsel strikes fear in the hearts of grown men already and they will skate to try and avoid him. Also enjoyed watching him man handle Shane Wright at the U18's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 This is the fun time of the year for those that missed the playoffs. Absolutely excited about the upcoming draft. There will be teams that swing for the fences and hit home runs with their picks while there will be some that miss. This is how I think the draft will go: 1. MTL - Wright 2. NJD - Slafkovsky 3. ARI - Cooley 4. SEA - Nemec 5. PHI - Jiricek 6. CLB - Gauthier 7. OTT - Kemell 8. DET - Lakkerimaki 9. BUF - Kasper 10. ANA - Korchinski 11. SJ - Savoie 12. CBJ - Mintyukov 13. NYI - Nazar 14. WIN - Geekie 15. VAN - Pickering 16. BUF - Yurov 17. NSH - Lambert 18. DAL - Snuggerud 19. MIN - Miroshnichenko 20. WSH - Kulich 21. PIT - Howard 22. ANA - Ostlund 23. STL - Bichel 24. MIN - Ohgren 25. TOR - McGroarty 26. MTL - Chesley 27. ARI - Mateychuk 28. BUF - Gaucher 29. EDM - Mesar 30. WIN - Del Bel Belluz 31. TBL - Rinzel 32. ARI - Luneau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Pickering sounds like a bright kid: https://www.tsn.ca/mark-masters-a-giraffe-at-times-owen-pickering-brings-plenty-of-upside-to-nhl-draft-1.1821381 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said: Fair, It's true BPA is subjective especially at that point. But even in the middle of the first round great players are available every year, you just have to find them. Take 2017, from #14 to #18 there was a run on defenseman; Foote, Brannstrom, Valimaki, Liljegren, Vaakaninen. They've all played but none really established themselves. Then the next two picks; Josh Norris (OTTs 1C) & Robert Thomas (over a PPG last year). Precisely... I rest my case This is exactly why BPA starts to get muddled are you progress through the draft... Pastrnak would have been drafted far higher, had folks known, he was going to be this good. Picking Seider was also a stroke of genius... It's not easy otherwise they would just save themselves a bucket load of money and pick after McKenzie's list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Bure_Pavel said: Ive read there are still some issues with Pickering's skating, some scouts believe it is just him adjusting to his new body but it is definitely added risk. With Bichsel what impresses me the most is that he was able to go from playing in a swiss junior league to the SHL so quickly and earn the playing time he did (huge step up). For a defensive defenseman to still out produce offensive dynamos Ohgren and Ostlund in that league as well is no easy task. Sometimes the best athletes can have the worst skating mechanics because, at least initially, their athleticism lets them overcome things that lesser athletes would need to get ironed out as a 7 year old taking a few speed skating classes. If a guy is athletic and doesn't have an ego, skating is one of the most easily corrected attributes. Not saying they'll develop Bure-esque speed, but they'll at least become competent. Horvat is one of the clearest examples of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 25 minutes ago, Vinny in Vancouver said: Pickering sounds like a bright kid: https://www.tsn.ca/mark-masters-a-giraffe-at-times-owen-pickering-brings-plenty-of-upside-to-nhl-draft-1.1821381 This kid sounds perfect. He just grew a bunch and still got lots of room to develop into his new frame. Plus, he sounds hyper competitive. Size, skill, skates well, lots of upside, high ceiling, hyper compete, smart, and good character. Wow! I wouldn’t be disappointed hear us call his name at 15OA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Sportsnet's latest mock draft have the Canucks taking RW Jimmy Snuggerrud USNTDP I like the last name but a Right Winger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Sportsnet's latest mock draft have the Canucks taking RW Jimmy Snuggerrud USNTDP I like the last name but a Right Winger? Interesting. There are so many names around where we pick I think (if it presents) we will trade back in round one and get an extra 2nd or 3rd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 8 hours ago, Ilunga said: I think that most of us that have been invested in this thread for a while hope that we trade down and get 2 picks in the top 25- 30 Fully believe we could get that D- man and centre that we really need. That would be amazing. Would be very happy either that outcome and I feel like it’s something we never do 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 30 minutes ago, The Arrogant Worms said: Sportsnet's latest mock draft have the Canucks taking RW Jimmy Snuggerrud USNTDP I like the last name but a Right Winger? Who’s mock was that? I saw sams yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) 15. Vancouver Canucks: Lian Bichsel Lian Bichsel of the SHL's Leksand IF could be a tempting option for the Vancouver Canucks if they seek depth in left-shot defensemen. He possesses impressive size at 6'6" and 225 pounds, using his long stride and reach to outrace opponents and strip them of the puck. Bichsel's offensive game still needs work but his defensive abilities should make him a future NHL top-four blueliner. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10040972-bleacher-reports-final-2022-nhl-mock-draft Bleacher Report mock from today has us taking Bichsel 15. Vancouver Canucks: Liam Ohgren (LW, Djurgardens IF, SHL) Fresh off of a bounce-back season for Elias Pettersson and re-signing Brock Boeser to a three-year extension, the Canucks will have an opportunity to add to an already-exciting young forward corps by drafting Liam Ohgren. But don’t let his two points in 25 Swedish Hockey League (SHL) games fool you – he absolutely tore up the Swedish junior league at a pace of nearly two points per game. Ohgren also captained Team Sweden to a gold medal with nine points over six games. He’s signed to play for Djurgardens in Sweden’s second-tier pro league next season and could give the Canucks a really nice left wing option in the top six down the line. https://thehockeywriters.com/2022-nhl-mock-draft-hobsons-take/ Edited July 5, 2022 by Bure_Pavel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 41 minutes ago, Alflives said: This kid sounds perfect. He just grew a bunch and still got lots of room to develop into his new frame. Plus, he sounds hyper competitive. Size, skill, skates well, lots of upside, high ceiling, hyper compete, smart, and good character. Wow! I wouldn’t be disappointed hear us call his name at 15OA. Not sure about that... But otherwise very good. Almost as good as Bischel..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 From the Play Now website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Arrogant Worms Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, R3aL said: Who’s mock was that? I saw sams yesterday They must have posted it again on their Facebook page...... Sam Cosentino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyGuy123 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 Lian Bichsel and Owen Pickering both add size and great skating from the backend. Bichsel is a truck already and Pickering will add lots of weight no doubt in my mind. Pickering looks to me he has the better hockey sense and Bichsel looks to have the better physical gifts, but he’s already basically filled out and I could see a Douglas Murrey type projection due to it. Pickering would be my choice of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 So, could this Bichsel eventually become a Byfuglien or Burns type of player? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: So, could this Bichsel eventually become a Byfuglien or Burns type of player? Both those guys have more offense, Id say more of a Shea Weber lite or Bryan Allen type style. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, R3aL said: That would be amazing. Would be very happy either that outcome and I feel like it’s something we never do I guess it takes two to tango. What would we need to give up in addition to the pick to get 2 players in the 25-30? Arizona has picks 27 and 32. Minnesota has picks 19 and 24. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 1 hour ago, The Arrogant Worms said: They must have posted it again on their Facebook page...... Sam Cosentino That makes sense still think snuggerudmwould be a surprise at 15 but we will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 37 minutes ago, Vinny in Vancouver said: I guess it takes two to tango. What would we need to give up in addition to the pick to get 2 players in the 25-30? Arizona has picks 27 and 32. Minnesota has picks 19 and 24. I just don’t see why another team would do it unless they were in love with a guy available at 15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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