-Vintage Canuck- Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 So dies the dreaming of our having a big red dog playing defense for us.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Why didn't Toronto just claim the first time around? I guess now he can be assigned to AHL, but still.. A trade for the sake of making a trade, practically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 So even the leafs, with Dubas at the helm understand the importance of sprinkling in some grit so your main guys feel more protected. We are officially lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Just now, JayDangles said: So even the leafs, with Dubas at the helm understand the importance of sprinkling in some grit so your main guys feel more protected. We are officially lost It took Dubas long enough to do that though. When he traded away Kadri, the Laffs had no grit whatsoever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dazzle said: Why didn't Toronto just claim the first time around? I guess now he can be assigned to AHL, but still.. A trade for the sake of making a trade, practically. not quite. With all the salary cap woes the leafs are/will be experiencing, Clifford already having cleared waivers is worth whatever futures are thrown the other way, as he will undoubtedly be sent down at some point 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Just now, JayDangles said: not quite. With all the salary cap woes the leafs are/will be experiencing, Clifford already having cleared waivers is worth whatever futures are thrown the other way, as he will undoubtedly be sent down at some point Good trade for both teams then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Lock said: It took Dubas long enough to do that though. When he traded away Kadri, the Laffs had no grit whatsoever. Simmonds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, JayDangles said: So even the leafs, with Dubas at the helm understand the importance of sprinkling in some grit so your main guys feel more protected. We are officially lost We were lost when management extended Green. I was flabbergasted that they retained a coach who has such a similar winning record as Willie freaking Desjardins. At the very least he had a stellar first season before going downwards. Green has been mediocre from start to finish, and Benning or whoever decides he was worth a two year contract. Benning really did himself a disservice after all the work he did this offseason to fix the team. He might never get another chance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Simmonds? At the time Kadri was traded, Simmonds and Muzzin weren't on the team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Simmonds? Maybe a bit. Simmonds hasn't been the player he was in years, and he's not exactly big at 6'2" and 185. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Lock said: It took Dubas long enough to do that though. When he traded away Kadri, the Laffs had no grit whatsoever. Actually, if memory serves. Right after they dumped Kadri they picked up Clifford. I'm not complementing Dubas, but he has never iced a team without 1 or 2 big tough guys. (Muzzin, then Clifford, the Simmonds) Edited November 16, 2021 by JayDangles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: At the time Kadri was traded, Simmonds and Muzzin weren't on the team. I'm reaching far back into my memory, which doesnt hold a lot of leafs info intentionally. I think they grabbed Muzzin right after letting Kadri go, then Clifford the year after. Also kind of a moot point, because Kadri was never a big guy or a defender of teammates. He was and always will be a cheap shot artist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Simmonds? He came later. There was a year without neither Simmonds nor Kadri. Edited November 16, 2021 by The Lock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Just now, JayDangles said: I'm reaching far back into my memory, which doesnt hold a lot of leafs info intentionally. Just now, JayDangles said: I think they grabbed Muzzin right after letting Kadri go, then Clifford the year after. Probably. Muzzin was a smart move, he's been a consistent and solid defenseman for them. Just now, JayDangles said: Also kind of a moot point, because Kadri was never a big guy or a defender of teammates. He was and always will be a cheap shot artist Exactly. Players only kept their heads up when Kadri was on the ice because of his penchant for head shots and dirty play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 7 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Actually, if memory serves. Right after they dumped Kadri they picked up Clifford. I'm not complementing Dubas, but he has never iced a team without 1 or 2 big tough guys. (Muzzin, then Clifford, the Simmonds) I guess maybe your definition of tough guys might be different what I'm thinking too mind you. I just remember there was a point in time where toughness was questionable for the Leafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Probably. Muzzin was a smart move, he's been a consistent and solid defenseman for them. Exactly. Players only kept their heads up when Kadri was on the ice because of his penchant for head shots and dirty play. Is it bad that I'm so bored and unentertained by this team that I actually wish we had a Kadri or Marchand? Just someone who goes out there, acts a fool, gets suspended but at least we cheer and debate B.S. suspensions on CDC? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakuRaku Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Wow.. what a blow.... Apparently, the Leafs felt too ashamed to just pick him up for free so they offered "future considerations" but Jimbo didn't wanna offer either... he basically wants a free player handed to him with salary retained! that's what it is.... now I get it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Is it bad that I'm so bored and unentertained by this team that I actually wish we had a Kadri or Marchand? Just someone who goes out there, acts a fool, gets suspended but at least we cheer and debate B.S. suspensions on CDC? It would be nice to have one player like that who's a total pain in the ass. Garland is great, but I think he values a cleaner game than Marchand or Kadri. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: It would be nice to have one player like that who's a total pain in the ass. Garland is great, but I think he values a cleaner game than Marchand or Kadri. Also, is that even Garland. I mean he does 1 good hit in game 2 of the season and everyone gets all excited.. like he is some mini mack truck.. then nothing since. Green probably straightened him out after that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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