mll Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 hours ago, aGENT said: Yeah, and whoever loses out on/won't pay for Miller, ends up with Pavelski and Giroux at higher caps and only one rental. Be fun/interesting seeing how it all works out. They could be cheaper as expiring UFAs if they can use a 3rd team and bring them in at 25%. Costs a 4th or 5th round pick in the past to use a 3rd team. It's harder to do with Miller because of that extra year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, mll said: They could be cheaper as expiring UFAs if they can use a 3rd team and bring them in at 25%. Costs a 4th or 5th round pick in the past to use a 3rd team. It's harder to do with Miller because of that extra year. Except for them at 1/4 is pretty close to Miller at 1/2... So... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, grandmaster said: Do we really have to make any trades? This team is playing well under the new coach. If we run into cap problems later, let’s deal with it then. I’m so done with all this. Rutherford doesn't think the team can contend as they are built - hopes to contend in 2 years but says it's easy to sit there and say that. It's better if they start earlier than to delay the inevitable. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Except for them at 1/4 is pretty close to Miller at 1/2... So... Do they want to keep that extra half. I'd guess that the plan is to also leverage their cap space to get extra picks - like those 3rd teams are doing. Can only retain on 3 contracts. Some players might be harder to move than Miller too. Edited February 5, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Do we really have to make any trades? This team is playing well under the new coach. If we run into cap problems later, let’s deal with it then. I’m so done with all this. Yes. If we want to be smart we make them now. This team is not good enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 2 hours ago, SilentSam said: Yes, a writer,. More in touch with his team ( Rangers) than some who pay attention here on the west coast. something more up to date perhaps ?.. https://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-trade-targets-canucks-boeser-horvat-burroughs-2022/ He has 166 followers on twitter. Doesn't feel like Rangers' fans trust him for their info. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, mll said: Rutherford doesn't think the team can contend as they are built - hopes to contend in 2 years but says it's easy to sit there and say that. It's better if they start earlier than to delay the inevitable. Canucks are 12-5-4 since we got Boudreau. How does that not qualify as a contender? They are not the same team we saw under Green at the start of the season. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 6 minutes ago, Gawdzukes said: Yes. If we want to be smart we make them now. This team is not good enough. Why not give them a chance? The team seems good enough under Boudreau and we will have Boudreau from the actual start of next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, mll said: Do they want to keep that extra half. I'd guess that the plan is to also leverage their cap space to get extra picks - like those 3rd teams are doing. Can only retain on 3 contracts. Some players might be harder to move than Miller too. I can't even tell if you're agreeing with me Harder to read than the dead sea scrolls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Canucks are 12-5-4 since we got Boudreau. How does that not qualify as a contender? They are not the same team we saw under Green at the start of the season. In his interview Rutherford also pointed out that they benefited from a favourable schedule in December where they also faced mostly backup goalies and not the number 1s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aGENT Posted February 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 5, 2022 22 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Canucks are 12-5-4 since we got Boudreau. How does that not qualify as a contender? They are not the same team we saw under Green at the start of the season. Bruh. We're waaay better than our record at the beginning of the season. But we ain't no contender. That's silly talk. 1 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Canucks are 12-5-4 since we got Boudreau. How does that not qualify as a contender? They are not the same team we saw under Green at the start of the season. We are not a contender. We got a new coach bump. And opps play us backup goalie plus easy night... It's not realistic to think we are a contender. Our D has 8 goals all season, combined. Edited February 5, 2022 by WHL rocks 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 12 minutes ago, mll said: In his interview Rutherford also pointed out that they benefited from a favourable schedule in December where they also faced mostly backup goalies and not the number 1s. Man that’s a terrible take. The team’s success was so much more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 13 minutes ago, aGENT said: I can't even tell if you're agreeing with me Harder to read than the dead sea scrolls. Wouldn't expect Vancouver to retain on Miller. They only have 3 retention spots and might prefer to keep them for players who could be harder to move or to use it to leverage their cap space next season. With Miller might work better for Vancouver to take back an expiring UFA to make the cap work rather than to use 1 of only 3 retention spots - similar to LA taking back Schaller in the Toffoli trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 28 minutes ago, grandmaster said: Canucks are 12-5-4 since we got Boudreau. How does that not qualify as a contender? They are not the same team we saw under Green at the start of the season. Love your enthusiasm! Some good pieces in place, but a ways to go yet before contender status. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, grandmaster said: Man that’s a terrible take. The team’s success was so much more than that. Still gave the team credit for those wins but not making more out of them than that. LAK, ANA, SJS, WPG are bubble teams. Vegas are top of the Pacific and would be ranked 5th in the Central - those California teams are much further back. CBJ are in a rebuild. CAR was missing Aho, on a back-to-back and Brind'Amour called the Canucks okay but felt that they were the ones that lost the game by making unusual mistakes - pointed out that they were giving the puck away while not even pressured. BOS also played their back-up as they were on the 1st game of a back-to-back. 4 of those 8 games went to extra time where they won 3 including 2 in a shootout. Edited February 5, 2022 by mll 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 17 minutes ago, mll said: Wouldn't expect Vancouver to retain on Miller. They only have 3 retention spots and might prefer to keep them for players who could be harder to move or to use it to leverage their cap space next season. With Miller might work better for Vancouver to take back an expiring UFA to make the cap work rather than to use 1 of only 3 retention spots - similar to LA taking back Schaller in the Toffoli trade. Sure on the UFA. But we don't have that many players to move/retain on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, aGENT said: Sure on the UFA. But we don't have that many players to move/retain on. The strategy isn't clear yet - how do they go from today to where they want to be in 2 years. Edited February 5, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 Just now, mll said: The strategy isn't clear yet - how do they go from today to where they want to be in 2 years. Starts with this thread subject IMO. With a whole lot of smart follow up moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 minute ago, aGENT said: Starts with this thread subject IMO. With a whole lot of smart follow up moves. Depends who they are looking to move. Do they want to already move on from players who won't be part of their contending window or will they let longer contracts expire and/or try and move them closer to the start of that window. It could come down to retention vs a buyout. They are talking to Miller's camp to know how much it would cost to retain him. They can only file on 1 July but the deal can already be agreed now. Trading Miller might not necessarily be the path followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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