HKSR Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: I mean, he did say potential franchise. But the laugh at the end seems a little rude. This is a 20 year old kids future we're talking about (and a fellow BC boy at that). I feel like that warrants a little compassion for the situation. But that's just me. Wasn't laughing about Byram... was laughing at the poster lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, HKSR said: Wasn't laughing about Byram... was laughing at the poster lol But why? Didn't they say Byram is potentially a franchise defensemen? Byram, in my opinion is the best defensive prospect in the league. I think he has franchise potential for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: But why? Didn't they say Byram is potentially a franchise defensemen? Byram, in my opinion is the best defensive prospect in the league. I think he has franchise potential for sure. Like I said to that poster as well, wait until he plays again before talking about franchise defenceman. Crosby had 2 or 3 concussions over the course of his career. Byram has had 3 in his first 2 seasons and was contemplating quitting hockey altogether less than 6 months ago. I laugh because it's setting an unbelievably high bar for someone that has his health concerns ahead of everything else. Is he gonna just step right back into the league as basically a rookie again and light it up? I have serious doubts. EDIT: Based on how he has reacted so far going to his mom and dad, and telling them he can't do this anymore tells me he doesn't have the same mental fortitude as Sidney Crosby either. Edited March 8, 2022 by HKSR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 1 hour ago, stawns said: Many many players come back from serious concussions with no adverse affects, let's not automatically write someone's career off Literally? Crosby. Maybe Mitchell. How many don't? Byram at this point in time is valueless based on his actual injury history and should be more of an addition and not a centrepiece. id as soon take a 2nd as I would Byram in a trade regardless of his draft pedigree and "potential" But that would be the Canuck luck manifesting itself eh? Get Byram back as the key point in a trade. He looks good, he looks healthy oh FFS Lucic/Kassian with the big hit...now he is licking frost off the window and giggling to himself because his reflection is smiling at him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted March 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, HKSR said: Like I said to that poster as well, wait until he plays again before talking about franchise defenceman. Crosby had 2 or 3 concussions over the course of his career. Byram has had 3 in his first 2 seasons and was contemplating quitting hockey altogether less than 6 months ago. I laugh because it's setting an unbelievably high bar for someone that has his health concerns ahead of everything else. Is he gonna just step right back into the league as basically a rookie again and light it up? I have serious doubts. EDIT: Based on how he has reacted so far going to his mom and dad, and telling them he can't do this anymore tells me he doesn't have the same mental fortitude as Sidney Crosby either. Bang on. We're not talking 2-3 concussions in 10 years. We're talking in 10 months 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Andrew Alberts Chris Pronger 2 that couldn't come back from a concussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, HKSR said: Based on how he has reacted so far going to his mom and dad, and telling them he can't do this anymore tells me he doesn't have the same mental fortitude as Sidney Crosby either. Woah, what a strange conclusion to reach. Have you compared both player's medical reports, symptoms, who was treating them? What the difference in treatments was/is? Time between concussions? Severity of concussions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Warhippy said: He's a 20 year old kid who is one bad sneeze away from wearing a helmet the rest of his life and drinking his soup through a straw Got carried away with the typin eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, gurn said: Andrew Alberts Chris Pronger 2 that couldn't come back from a concussion. Michael Ferland Eric Lindros Paul Kariya Pat Lafontaine Marc Savard Keith Primeau Adam Deadmarsh Peter Mueller Matthew Barnaby Geoff Courtnall etc etc The list is VERY long vs the list of players that came back to have SUCCESSFUL careers after major and multiple concussions. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, gurn said: Woah, what a strange conclusion to reach. Have you compared both player's medical reports, symptoms, who was treating them? What the difference in treatments was/is? Time between concussions? Severity of concussions? Does it matter? Crosby came out and spoke to media directly during his concussion years. Byram has had mom and dad speak to media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Warhippy Posted March 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 8, 2022 I also want to question the paucity in return for Miller people keep suggesting. Eichel, with a $10 million contract, returned Krebs (17th OA) Tuch (18th OA) a top 1 protected 1st a 2nd and a 3rd. Yes Eichel IS a franchise centre and he is essentially a PPG player. But he returned that WITH his contract WITH his injury status. Miller, over the last 3 years has been comparable to within .22 PPG is far better defensively by the numbers and a much more proficient F/O artist. His cap is $5.25 million and is far more versatile than Eichel as he can play both wings AND centre. To suggest Miller won't command a return that is comparable to any combination of a rising star RW in Tuch, Krebs a more than decent C prospect a 1st/2nd/3rd with his stats, contract and versatility is kind of crazy. When we speak of Byram/Newhook/1st for Miller. What exactly is wrong with that? I'd personally put far less value on Byram than I would Barron simply based on position, health and size I have a strong feeling Miller will be a Canuck until next March at least but we need to stop devaluing our players here guys. Miller would/should command the same level of return as Linden did and look what that return did for this franchise. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, HKSR said: Michael Ferland Eric Lindros Paul Kariya Pat Lafontaine Marc Savard Keith Primeau Adam Deadmarsh Peter Mueller Matthew Barnaby Geoff Courtnall etc etc The list is VERY long vs the list of players that came back to have SUCCESSFUL careers after major and multiple concussions. I know what your saying I suspect theres a number of guys that would be unsuccessful given the modern medical standards and protocols.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Westcoastcanucks777 said: I know what your saying I suspect theres a number of guys that would be unsuccessful given the modern medical standards and protocols.... That's fair... but man, I have a hard time thinking of many NHLers in general that have come back from serious concussions to lead a really good NHL career other than Crosby. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 13 minutes ago, HKSR said: That's fair... but man, I have a hard time thinking of many NHLers in general that have come back from serious concussions to lead a really good NHL career other than Crosby. But I can't help thinking to roll the dice might pay off nicely have a all star Brian Leetch type guy poor little Quinn would be on his way out through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 50 minutes ago, HKSR said: Like I said to that poster as well, wait until he plays again before talking about franchise defenceman. Crosby had 2 or 3 concussions over the course of his career. Byram has had 3 in his first 2 seasons and was contemplating quitting hockey altogether less than 6 months ago. I laugh because it's setting an unbelievably high bar for someone that has his health concerns ahead of everything else. Is he gonna just step right back into the league as basically a rookie again and light it up? I have serious doubts. EDIT: Based on how he has reacted so far going to his mom and dad, and telling them he can't do this anymore tells me he doesn't have the same mental fortitude as Sidney Crosby either. Dahlen had around 3-4 concussions before he joined the Sharks again. So if a really good player had 3 it’s not a problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 36 minutes ago, Warhippy said: When we speak of Byram/Newhook/1st for Miller. What exactly is wrong with that? I'd personally put far less value on Byram than I would Barron simply based on position, health and size That's the package I want from Colorado as well. Barron, Newhook and their 23 first. Probably need some cap back in the too (Compher?). For Miller ($1m retained) + Motte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 15 minutes ago, Westcoastcanucks777 said: But I can't help thinking to roll the dice might pay off nicely have a all star Brian Leetch type guy poor little Quinn would be on his way out through? Are you suggesting Byram would bump Hughes out of the Canucks lineup??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, aGENT said: That's the package I want from Colorado as well. Barron, Newhook and their 23 first. Probably need some cap back in the too (Compher?). For Miller ($1m retained) + Motte. Done. I'd retain 50 percent to get that done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Done. I'd retain 50 percent to get that done Yeah, I probably would too Not so sure Colorado does though. But now's their time to be all in, if they're going to do this thing... I'd have to look closer at their roster to see if they have someone less efficient they'd prefer to send back over Compher too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, HKSR said: Are you suggesting Byram would bump Hughes out of the Canucks lineup??? more of a long term financial question ....plus I remember little Hughes sulking in the that one year....healthy Hughes vs healthy Byram....WHO DO YOU CHOOSE>>>Choose wisely..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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