JM_ Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, hammertime said: Actually yes I think...... Carlo would really be an Ideal partner for Hughes and signed long term @4.1m would go a long way towards signing Bo and Brock if that were the direction the team wanted to go. it is an interesting question, how much is cap certainty worth? a lot imo. I would want to see Carlo + a 1st. But they are giving up a lot of value too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 13 hours ago, CanucksCountry said: Well first off i know this won't be a popular choice by many but i really think despite his struggles this year Klingberg would be an extraordinary piece to add and the Canucks should Jump all over it depending on the cost Year 1 To Dallas: Van 2022 1st Round pick (top 10 protected) Van 2023 3rd Round pick Van 2022 4th Round pick Jack Rathbone Tavis Hamonic Tucker Poolman To Vancouver: John Klingberg Why Dallas does this. Well it's no secret Klingberg want's out now. They get a 1st round pick and one of the better Defensive prospects in the league for a guy that is going to walk. While also getting 2 serviceable NHL dman who can be flipped for even better assets with a bit of money retained to help further their rebuild a guy like Hamonic at 50% retained could easily get a 2nd round pick from a contending nhl team. Why Vancouver does this. While i know people are going to get upset with us trading another 1st round pick but the reality of it is this team is in win now mode any guy we draft won't be making an impact with the team for at least 2+ years. But Vancouver get's a legit top 4 RHD who has still has a good 4 years of good hockey ahead of him. Klingberg biggest strength is his transition game which would absolutely suit our run and gun based team. Klingberg is a legit top 4 dman on 90% of the Leagues d-cores and his value is at an all time low. This trade of course is with a new Deal in place for Klingberg which would be 4years X 6.5Million To Vegas: Van 2023 4th Round Pick To Van: Brayden McNabb VGK 2022 3rd Round pick Why Vegas does this McNabb is a cup dump as they are desperate to move money out they move down a few draft spots to be able to do so Why Vancouver does this Vancouver Gets a Legit 3rd paring hard hitting defensively responsible nhl LHD. To Seattle WPG 2022 3rd Pick To Vancouver Mason Appleton Why Seattle does this. Seattle acquires more picks on a RFA to help them rebuild Why Vancouver does this. Vancouver get's a legit fast Bottom 6 winger To Arizona Van 2022 5th round pick To Vancouver Riley Nash Why Arizona does this. the Coyotes get a free pick for a guy that they claimed on waivers that won't re-sign there Why Vancouver does this. They get a Defensive RH Centreman How do we afford it? Now I know you are going to ask yourself how can we fit this into our cap? well trading Poolman and Hamonic creates 5.5 million with still 1.5 million of cap space. Next year we still have enough Money to sign Boeser at his QO of 7.5 Million while brining up DiPietro and Re-singing McNabb for about 1.5Million. in Year 3 if you trade Pearson we are able to Sign Miller for 7.5 Horvat for 7 and Hoglander for 3 plus cheap Depth guys to fill out our roster Year 3 Trade To Seattle Tanner Pearson Van 2023 3rd Round pick To Van SEA 2023 2nd Round pick Why Seattle Does this they get a good top 9 vet to help with the kids with one year left on his deal Why Van does this to make room for other guys signings Contracts Year 1 Klingberg 4 Years X 6.5 Million Tyler Motte 3 Years X 1.5 Million Mason Appleton 3 Years X 1.10 Million Cap Used 80.3 Million out of 81.5 Million Year 2 Michael DiPietro 3 X 925 Thousand Brock Boeser 7 Years X 7.5 Million Cap Used 81.4 Million out of 81.5 Million Year 3 J.T Miller 6 Years x 7.5 Million Bo Horvat 8 Years x 7.0 Million Nils Hoglander 3 Years x 3 Million Cap Used 81.45 Million out of 81.5 Million Year 1 line up Garland - Pettersson - Boeser Hoglander - Miller - Podkolzin Dickinson - Horvat - Pearson Motte - Nash - Appleton Hughes - Klingberg OEL - Myers McNabb - Schenn Demko Halak Year 3 line up Garland - Pettersson - Boeser Hoglander - Miller - Podkolzin Dickinson - Horvat - Klimovich Motte - Nash - Appleton Hughes - Klingberg OEL - Myers McNabb - Schenn Demko DiPietro Klingberg is going to demand more than 6.5m, and guaranteed longer than 4 years, or Dallas would be resigning him. I like him too but between the contract length he'd want and the $ amount, I dont think we can afford it. The good news is I think we're pretty set for puck moving defensemen for the next 3 years. Hughes, OEL, Rathbone, Myers all move the puck well. If JR is going to upgrade the defense, I think he goes for a shutdown specialist and tricks Arizona into taking Poolman or something haha. Honestly think we have a few of our prospects make the team next year: Rathbone or Woo probably steps into the bottom pairing next year, depending on our needs. Lockwood probably makes the team too. McDonough has had an amazing season in the NCAA, wouldnt be surprised if he makes it too. Pretty likely JR holds onto our picks and maybe even tries to grab a few more to restock the cupboards. And if we do end up having several guys on ELCs next year, thats when JR makes a big trade if he feels hes got the room and extra assets. Going to be competitive next year, and then contend the year after. 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aGENT Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Good D but not the type we need. Also wrong age and wrong cap hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoosh Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 In all my years here (that’s quite a few) I don’t think I’ve ever read a single topic in this proposals section. So when this is the first one ever, you can imagine the shock I’m in right now. OP put in a lot of time and thought here but that is one complicated and badly build formula for losing now and losing in the future. I’m probably too negative so I will show myself out the door. *exits Proposals and Armchair GM’ing and locks the door on his way out* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 On 1/8/2022 at 7:15 PM, eeeeergh said: Klingberg is going to demand more than 6.5m, and guaranteed longer than 4 years, or Dallas would be resigning him. I like him too but between the contract length he'd want and the $ amount, I dont think we can afford it. The good news is I think we're pretty set for puck moving defensemen for the next 3 years. Hughes, OEL, Rathbone, Myers all move the puck well. If JR is going to upgrade the defense, I think he goes for a shutdown specialist and tricks Arizona into taking Poolman or something haha. Honestly think we have a few of our prospects make the team next year: Rathbone or Woo probably steps into the bottom pairing next year, depending on our needs. Lockwood probably makes the team too. McDonough has had an amazing season in the NCAA, wouldnt be surprised if he makes it too. Pretty likely JR holds onto our picks and maybe even tries to grab a few more to restock the cupboards. And if we do end up having several guys on ELCs next year, thats when JR makes a big trade if he feels hes got the room and extra assets. Going to be competitive next year, and then contend the year after. If we think Miller is too old at 28, then why are we even talking about Klingberg who is 29? And it goes the opposite of what JR said about wanting to get younger. Klingberg is not getting any younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 17 minutes ago, N4ZZY said: If we think Miller is too old at 28, then why are we even talking about Klingberg who is 29? And it goes the opposite of what JR said about wanting to get younger. Klingberg is not getting any younger. Well yeah and the guys at 28-29 are at the peak of their earning power and whoever takes on the contract assumes the greatest risk for lost value. We have enough guys on expensive contracts now, we need guys on ELCs contributing. So prospects, young players, draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, eeeeergh said: Well yeah and the guys at 28-29 are at the peak of their earning power and whoever takes on the contract assumes the greatest risk for lost value. We have enough guys on expensive contracts now, we need guys on ELCs contributing. So prospects, young players, draft picks. Yeah, for sure. I think that was the mistake of Benning. He didn’t have enough ELC players coming onto the roster for cheap that could contribute. Hughes and Petey were contributing, but that team wasn’t nearly good enough to have been contending. Look where we’re at now with Hughes (great contract by the way), and Petey (not great with the way he’s contributing - or not contributing) and their deals. In their ELC deals they were contributing just as much, but on far cheaper deals. That’s obviously over now. Benning really did &^@# this team over with such poor management…he’s drafted some pretty good players, but their deals…. He’s left this team in cap hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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