mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, HKSR said: Adding $100M to LTIR would definitely solve their problem of activating players. By that notion, the Canucks shouldn't be able to activate Poolman, but they can, and they will because they are still carrying Ferland, Sutter, and Keeper on LTIR. They can because their regular roster is well below their authorised salary cap of 81.2M - has nothing to do with LTIR cap space. CapFriendly shows their cap hit today at 84M. They have 7.9M worth of players on LTIR. It means that their regular roster is at some 76M when they can operate at 81.2M. Vancouver doesn't get the full 81.5M because they weren't able to maximise their LTIR relief and lost 300K from the get go - ie their roster (outside of LTIR contracts) can never be more than 81.2M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JM_ said: So the Canucks have just over 5 mil left in LTIR, couldn't we trade for Dadonov and add him to our roster? If Vegas gave us their 2nd and 3rd I'd do it. Sure but he has 1 year left to his deal. Do they really want Dadonov for another season? Also they would then need to find another way to clear the cap space to activate Poolman who is expected to return at some point. Edited March 23, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, mll said: They can because their regular roster is well below their authorised salary cap of 81.2M - has nothing to do with LTIR cap space. CapFriendly shows their cap hit today at 84M. They have 7.9M worth of players on LTIR. It means that their regular roster is at some 76M when they can operate at 81.2M. Vancouver doesn't get the full 81.5M because they weren't able to maximise their LTIR relief and lost 300K from the get go - ie their roster (outside of LTIR contracts) can never be more than 81.2M. Not wanting to do the math right now, but how does bringing on Ryan Kesler ($6.875M) and John Moore ($1.625M) help when unloading Dadonov at $5M? So $8.5M in, and $5M out is making cap space? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I know, make them pay Luongo 1m/year for 10 freaking years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KelownaCanucksFan Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, HKSR said: Adding $100M to LTIR would definitely solve their problem of activating players. By that notion, the Canucks shouldn't be able to activate Poolman, but they can, and they will because they are still carrying Ferland, Sutter, and Keeper on LTIR. Ferland and Sutter are legitimate though they may never play again and they can’t retire and forgo the money they’ve earned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 So they’ll trade for Weber and give Montreal a 1st round pick? Seems like the obvious move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 19 minutes ago, mll said: Sure but he has 1 year left to his deal. Do they really want Dadonov for another season? Also they would then need to find another way to clear the cap space to activate Poolman who is expected to return at some point. or we just tell Poolman to stay home, or move him. Or better yet, tell Vegas to burn an asset moving him for us in a 3 way deal. Edited March 23, 2022 by JM_ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 15 minutes ago, HKSR said: Not wanting to do the math right now, but how does bringing on Ryan Kesler ($6.875M) and John Moore ($1.625M) help when unloading Dadonov at $5M? So $8.5M in, and $5M out is making cap space? Kesler is already on ltir so he would stay there. Wouldn't effect the cap at all. So Moores buried hit vs dadonovs cap hit out would be 3.375 mil of Cap savings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 17 minutes ago, HKSR said: Not wanting to do the math right now, but how does bringing on Ryan Kesler ($6.875M) and John Moore ($1.625M) help when unloading Dadonov at $5M? So $8.5M in, and $5M out is making cap space? Because they've off-loaded 5M in actual cap space. LTIR adds to both sides of the equation but it gets cancelled out - increases their cap hit but they can exceed the cap by the equivalent amount. So in their case it's neutral as their notional cap has already been set. Anaheim does that deal because they want to bank cap space to avoid a bonus overage - they have several ELC players. In LTIR they can't bank cap space so it would carry over into next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, mll said: Because they've off-loaded 5M in actual cap space. LTIR adds to both sides of the equation but it gets cancelled out - increases their cap hit but they can exceed the cap by the equivalent amount. So in their case it's neutral as their notional cap has already been set. Anaheim does that deal because they want to bank cap space to avoid a bonus overage - they have several ELC players. In LTIR they can't bank cap space so it would carry over into next season. And would they be able to activate Martinez if it was only Dadonov for Moore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, DeNiro said: So they’ll trade for Weber and give Montreal a 1st round pick? Seems like the obvious move. Don't see Vegas wanting Weber at all. Kesler is on an expiring contract while Weber would cost them cap space for another 4 seasons. Vancouver probably lost more than Halak's bonus in cap space because they are operating in LTIR + they'll have an overage. Edited March 23, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, mll said: Because they've off-loaded 5M in actual cap space. LTIR adds to both sides of the equation but it gets cancelled out - increases their cap hit but they can exceed the cap by the equivalent amount. So in their case it's neutral as their notional cap has already been set. Anaheim does that deal because they want to bank cap space to avoid a bonus overage - they have several ELC players. In LTIR they can't bank cap space so it would carry over into next season. How do they bank cap space with that trade? They still have Stone and Martinez on LTIR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: And would they be able to activate Martinez if it was only Dadonov for Moore? They might have to demote a couple of players but should work. Kesler is a negative or at best neutral - doesn't help cap wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 minute ago, HKSR said: How do they bank cap space with that trade? They still have Stone and Martinez on LTIR. Anaheim can bank cap space by getting out of LTIR. Teams in LTIR can't bank cap space and forfeit any excess cap space they have. Although Vancouver has 5M in cap space today they can't bank it and it's forfeited. Their end of season cap space is still zero, which is the reason why they have a bonus overage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, mll said: Anaheim can bank cap space by getting out of LTIR. Teams in LTIR can't bank cap space and forfeit any excess cap space they have. Although Vancouver has 5M in cap space today they can't bank it and it's forfeited. Their end of season cap space is still zero, which is the reason why they have a bonus overage. For some reason I read Vegas wants to bank cap space... nevermind on that one. So in theory, Poolman or Dickinson to Vegas for Dadonov wouldn't be bad idea. Clearly Vegas is desperate to unload cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, HKSR said: For some reason I read Vegas wants to bank cap space... nevermind on that one. So in theory, Poolman or Dickinson to Vegas for Dadonov wouldn't be bad idea. Clearly Vegas is desperate to unload cap. He still has 1 year left on his deal at 5M. Don't see Vancouver doing that. They still want to compete next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Just now, mll said: He still has 1 year left on his deal at 5M. Don't see Vancouver doing that. They still want to compete next season. Dadonov isn't a useless player though. For one season, to be able to walk away from him at the same time unload a Dickinson or Poolman that is on the books for multiple years? If Dadonov plays well, could even unload him at next year's TDL with retention for a pick. Dadonov also comes off the books when Miller and Bo need raises. Makes a TON of sense. Canucks are not gonna be contenders in 2022-23 if we're truly selling guys off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, mll said: He still has 1 year left on his deal at 5M. Don't see Vancouver doing that. They still want to compete next season. unless we could work out something with a 3rd team that takes 1/2 his salary. Just spitballing, but Vegas is desperate, assuming Bettman holds them to account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, HKSR said: Dadonov isn't a useless player though. For one season, to be able to walk away from him at the same time unload a Dickinson or Poolman that is on the books for multiple years? If Dadonov plays well, could even unload him at next year's TDL with retention for a pick. Dadonov also comes off the books when Miller and Bo need raises. Makes a TON of sense. Canucks are not gonna be contenders in 2022-23 if we're truly selling guys off. Not sure it's their approach though. Rutherford wants them to still compete and would guess he prefers to just get rid of players without tying himself to another troublesome contract. He talks of wanting cap space to be able to jump on opportunities - thinking here of Toews or even Buchnevich who were traded for cap reasons by their respective teams and are doing rather well. Also Vegas gains less than half his cap hit in such a trade - they could just trade him at 50% retained instead and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, mll said: Not sure it's their approach though. Rutherford wants them to still compete and would guess he prefers to just get rid of players without tying himself to another troublesome contract. He talks of wanting cap space to be able to jump on opportunities - thinking here of Toews or even Buchnevich who were traded for cap reasons by their respective teams and are doing rather well. Also Vegas gains less than half his cap hit in such a trade - they could just trade him at 50% retained instead and be done with it. I don't think we'd be done there though. Boeser and Miller are probably next. Cap space will come from moving the big boys. I'd move Hoglander to Vegas for Dadonov + 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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