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Hey guys & gals, 

 

Well considering our worst point in the season with Travis Green, Bruce sure turned this team around. I'm going to take a shot at an offseason proposal. I really feel we must address some major areas, buy saying that our team has some good pieces going forward. We might take a step back next season, but this will definitely put us in a better position in 2 years. 

 

1. We need to move cap space & we have a very good chance of getting great returns, without having to eat money as well. 

 

2. We need to get faster, acquire youth within our cores competitive timeline and use our cap space for smart signings. 

 

3. Defense needs to be addressed with more skill and some more grit. 

 

 

Re-sign -

 

Boudreau - give the man a 2-3 year deal. Get it done.

 

Boeser to a 3 year deal at 6 million per. This rebuilds his trade value, so we're not selling low and makes sense for our cap. 

 

Horvat - 6-7 year deal at 6.5-7 Million per, he is our captain and a very vital piece to our group.

 

Already resigned Spencer Martin. 

 

Resign Lammikko, Highmore, Burroughs to 1 year deals.

 

Dries - 2 way deal

 

Offseason trades -

 

Love Milller, but it makes too much sense to capitalize on his extremely high value now, he won't fit our timeline. Here are some options: 

 

NYR - Miller 

Van - Schneider, Kravstov, 1st and 3rd 

 

LAK - Miller

Van - Turcotte/Vilardi , Grans , 1st and 3rd 

 

Colorado - Miller, Dickinson (25% retention) 

Van - Newhook, Byram, Compher and 2nd

 

I personally think a lot of teams are going to be desperate to improve this offseason with next to no cap space. This makes Miller an extremely attractive commodity. We should make out like bandits in any deal. I would take the NYR package if offered. 

 

Next is Myers - I think there could be a few suitors and we wouldn't have to retain salary while gaining some form of draft capital. Potential suitors - Dallas, Pittsburgh (if Letang isn't resigned), Columbus, Nashville. 

 

If Dickinson isn't included In a Miller deal, we could see if any bites at a 25-30% retention would be possible. 

 

Pearson - trade for draft capital, with a 2 year term and a reasonable cap hit there should be some suitors. 

 

That leaves us with - 

 

? - Pete - Boeser 

Garland - Bo - Podkolzin 

Hoglander - ? - Kravstov 

? - Lammikko - Lockwood 

 

Ex.Highmore 

 

Hughes - Schenn

OEL - Schneider 

Dermott - Poolman

Ex. Burroughs

 

Demko 

Martin 

 

Do I think this team is a playoff team, definitely not, but we're not horrible. I think we can make some bold signings it may pay off for the youth in our lineup. 

 

1st signing - I am very surprised Bergeron is not signed as of yet, he may want the bag before he retires and Boston is up against it. We need a right handed centerman in the worst way. He is a constant selke candidate and he isn't going to require mass term to get a deal done, which is great for us. 

 

Bergeron - 2 years at 8 million per. 

 

2nd signing - Mason Marchment - 4 year deal at 3.5- 4 per. He provides size, speed and some skill, had a career year on a great Florida team. I think he would be a provide the pwf element this team will need going forward. 

 

Lastly - 

 

Noel Accari  - 1 year 2.25 deal , adds grit - right handed center, PK. 

 

Our team - 

 

Marchment - Petey - Boeser 

Garland - Bergeron - Podkolzin

Hoglander - Bo - Kravstov 

Lammikko - Acciari - Lockwood 

 

Ex. Highmore, ? 

 

Hughes - Schenn 

OEL - Schneider 

Dermott - Poolman 

Ex. Burroughs 

 

Demko 

Martin 

 

Summary - Not crazy about the defense, but this is a lot of movement for one offseason. I think we turn some assets into open cap space, youth/speed/upside, along with adding smart signings that don't cripple us going forward. 

 

Out - Miller, Myers, Dickinson, Pearson

 

In - Schneider, Kravstov, Bergeron, Marchment, Acciari, reallocation cap space and gaining draft capital. 

 

 

What do you guys think? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I wonder what the difference would be in Miller's value if he just got one more point. 99 and 100 are very different.  Too bad for him, good for the Canucks I suppose. (if they keep him) 

 

I love his passion and leadership. Sometimes he makes a pass or creates a play that's jaw-dropping. Such a good player, but I agree that he doesn't really fit the Canucks timeline. JR/PA said they want to get younger, so re-signing a 30-year old player for 6-8 years doesn't make sense. 

 

It'll be a very interesting off season. Now if we can just get through these pesky playoffs and get to the good stuff (Draft, Free Agency, etc). :ph34r:

 

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I think the Miller trade proposals are a bit too optimistic unfortunately.

 

Reports were NYR wasnt willing to budge on Schneider.  

 

Vilardi would not be a center piece Id target.  Turcotte maybe.  LAK have a bunch of young RH D prospects too.

 

COL is as shrewd as they come.  Newhook & Byram ++ is a pipe dream imo, but hey if it happened Im definitely not complaining.   

 

I guess how these teams perform in the playoffs could affect things.  If COL gets bounced early maybe theres a desire to do something big.  Same with NYR.

 

 

IMO if the Canucks can get a good young prospect & draft pick for Boeser-do it.  

 

Ive been brainstorming about the off season but cant really propose anything until we know what’s happening with Miller.  Guys like Pearson fit really well with him.

 

 

As much as I like Meyers the person, I think moving his cap hit would give the team some options.  It’ll be interesting what Boudreau/management thinks about Burroughs/McDermott playing the right-side next year though.  If McD can play the right side as well as he did on the left, I definitely see a Tanev-light in him.  

 

I wonder if Motte can get healthy whether the Canucks and him chat in the off season? There’s no doubt the Motto line is effective and can chew up mins.  Would give the Canucks options on the third line with Hogz ??? Lockwood maybe.  

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2 minutes ago, hammertime said:

6m for a slow PP specialist who doesn't engage physically or do anything away from the puck. You aren't repairing his value he's straight up a buy out candidate waiting to happen . 

Boeser’s value to us might simply be walking away and clearing his total cap off the books.  If a team will give us a mid round pick for his rights then that’s a bonus.  But don’t take back a contract, unless it’s a guy on an ELC - if offered.  

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Just now, Alflives said:

Boeser’s value to us might simply be walking away and clearing his total cap off the books.  If a team will give us a mid round pick for his rights then that’s a bonus.  But don’t take back a contract, unless it’s a guy on an ELC - if offered.  

I'm fine making a hockey trade.

 

A guy like Andrew Peeke could be of use to us. 24 years old 6'3 hits, blocks shots, plays hard mins makes under a mill.  

 

Jokiharju has wheels untapped offensive upside and has been much improved defensively could be a guy about to break out. 

 

Adam Graves 6'5 shut down D can log 20+ mins  consistently

 

Artyom Zub  good 4/5 all round D on a decent 2.5m deal 

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1 minute ago, hammertime said:

I'm fine making a hockey trade.

 

A guy like Andrew Peeke could be of use to us. 24 years old 6'3 hits, blocks shots, plays hard mins makes under a mill.  

 

Jokiharju has wheels untapped offensive upside and has been much improved defensively could be a guy about to break out. 

 

Adam Graves 6'5 shut down D can log 20+ mins  consistently

 

Artyom Zub  good 4/5 all round D on a decent 2.5m deal 

So a buyout candidate gets you nearly 50 points in a down year? I see the complaints against Boeser, but lets not suggest Boeser isn't a talented player. 

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5 minutes ago, hammertime said:

I'm fine making a hockey trade.

 

A guy like Andrew Peeke could be of use to us. 24 years old 6'3 hits, blocks shots, plays hard mins makes under a mill.  

 

Jokiharju has wheels untapped offensive upside and has been much improved defensively could be a guy about to break out. 

 

Adam Graves 6'5 shut down D can log 20+ mins  consistently

 

Artyom Zub  good 4/5 all round D on a decent 2.5m deal 

I really like Zub.  Love it if we could Boeser into Zub. 

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22 minutes ago, hammertime said:

6m for a slow PP specialist who doesn't engage physically or do anything away from the puck. You aren't repairing his value he's straight up a buy out candidate waiting to happen . 

6 million per on a 2-3 year contract isn't crippling. Look at Jamie Benns contract, now that's crippling. 

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1 minute ago, KKnight said:

6 million per on a 2-3 year contract isn't crippling. Look at Jamie Benns contract, now that's crippling. 

What's crippling is the country club polo shirt, fedora and pleated khaki brand of hockey he plays. He's a great guy really likeable. 

 

Do we wan't to identify as the really likeable nice guy hockey club who pay guys who have as many hits as they have goals 6m because....... Great hair. 

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17 minutes ago, KKnight said:

So a buyout candidate gets you nearly 50 points in a down year? I see the complaints against Boeser, but lets not suggest Boeser isn't a talented player. 

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Spoon fed cush min's. He's got 28 even strength points. Compare that with Garland signed under 5m who has 49 even strength points playing much harder deployment mins. 

 

James Neal scored 40g hit and fought played rugged and still got bought out when he dipped to Brock level numbers. 

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3 minutes ago, hammertime said:

Spoon fed cush min's. He's got 28 even strength points. Compare that with Garland signed under 5m who has 49 even strength points playing much harder deployment mins. 

 

James Neal scored 40g hit and fought played rugged and still got bought out when he dipped to Brock level numbers. 

Signing Miller and Brock to long term will give us three anchor contracts.  OEL.  

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5 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Signing Miller and Brock to long term will give us three anchor contracts.  OEL.  

I don't think Miller will be the anchor many seem to. I mean everyone seems to be willing to give big money to kids who haven't earned it because they might one day live up the the contract but aren't willing to pay a guy who has earned the contract and proven to be worth it seems back asswards to me. 

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6 minutes ago, hammertime said:

I don't think Miller will be the anchor many seem to. I mean everyone seems to be willing to give big money to kids who haven't earned it because they might one day live up the the contract but aren't willing to pay a guy who has earned the contract and proven to be worth it seems back asswards to me. 

4 years into his big deal Miller’s cap (9 mil?) will be an anchor.  

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8 minutes ago, hammertime said:

I don't think Miller will be the anchor many seem to. I mean everyone seems to be willing to give big money to kids who haven't earned it because they might one day live up the the contract but aren't willing to pay a guy who has earned the contract and proven to be worth it seems back asswards to me. 

Miller is going to easily want a 6-7 year deal at 8-9 per I dont think that's the wisest decision. He might have another 3-4 seasons of good hockey left, after that he will probably drop off. 

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2 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Who plays PK?  Definitely not Bess and Garland.  Pretty sure one of Bess or Garland is gonzo. 

We can upgrade to better players like Nick Paul, and also use Walkers smart system. He got us back to over 80% on the PK. We can't afford to pay Pearson and Dickie for how little they bring physically. 

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4 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Who plays PK?  Definitely not Bess and Garland.  Pretty sure one of Bess or Garland is gonzo. 

If we got the players suggested.

 

Horvat, Podkolzin, Bergeron, Acciari, Lockwood, Marchment, Petey, maybe Lammikko.

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