lmm Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: Lidstrom didn’t fight or hit, anyone passing on him leading your team? hahaha the old it happened once , so the Canucks should use that method narrative!! Lidstrom won one cup as captain of the Team that Steve Y was leader of 2008, Chelios, Maltby, McCarty, Draper, Lilja, Downey the Canucks aren't that good, nor that tough And Lidstrom captained the last cup win by one of the leagues great dynasties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 4 minutes ago, Odd. said: I wonder, Hughes for Nemec and Bahl? Or Hughes for Holtz, Walsh, and Bahl? Throw in a pick as well. New Jersey would be enticing. Hughes would command a lot in return, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading him. They have Luke Hughes, Nemec, Muhkamidullin, Bahl, Casey, Walsh. That is one helluva defensive pool. Bahl and Nemec would change the dynamic of our defense for the future. I like Mercer, Bahl and a first, though holtz would be tempting too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Odd. said: I wonder, Hughes for Nemec and Bahl? Or Hughes for Holtz, Walsh, and Bahl? Throw in a pick as well. New Jersey would be enticing. Hughes would command a lot in return, I wouldn’t be opposed to trading him. They have Luke Hughes, Nemec, Muhkamidullin, Bahl, Casey, Walsh. That is one helluva defensive pool. Bahl and Nemec would change the dynamic of our defense for the future. If any team is going to pay a premium for Quinn, it seems like NJ would be it. Superstar brothers on the same team has quite the appeal. I don't know enough about Bahl and Nemec to say if that trade might be a win for us, but I really don't mind the idea of getting two really solid D prospects for Quinn, as long as one of them has 1st pairing potential and the other could be top-4. Probably not as offensively dynamic as Quinn, but a solid tandem of D-men like that could work out better than one defensively-challenged offensive star for us. Or Quinn might go on to win a cup with Jersey while we remain mired in mediocrity. Not that I'm jaded or anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Strawbone said: If any team is going to pay a premium for Quinn, it seems like NJ would be it. Superstar brothers on the same team has quite the appeal. I don't know enough about Bahl and Nemec to say if that trade might be a win for us, but I really don't mind the idea of getting two really solid D prospects for Quinn, as long as one of them has 1st pairing potential and the other could be top-4. Probably not as offensively dynamic as Quinn, but a solid tandem of D-men like that could work out better than one defensively-challenged offensive star for us. Or Quinn might go on to win a cup with Jersey while we remain mired in mediocrity. Not that I'm jaded or anything. Nemec went 2nd overall, there were talks of him potentially even being drafted 1st overall. He’s pretty good. And Bahl is a 6’6 defensive defenseman. One thing in common is that these two are tremendous skaters. Id trade Hughes for them both in a heartbeat. As well as a 1st rounder, and grab a young roster guy from them like a Sarangovich or Miles Wood. That’s the thing though, if we’re trading Hughes that asking price has to be that, if not more, and New Jersey would definitely be listening. Edited November 15, 2022 by Odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sockeye Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, KingRaj91 said: I feel like losing our assistant coaches (Brad Shaw & Scott Walker) were a massive deal and is probably a reason why we aren't playing well. On paper, we're by far a playoff team, but there literally is no structure. Felt like last year atleast we had some structure and our defense was actually pretty good. Anyone else feel the same way? Would love to hear other opinions! The fans were misled that we had a playoff team. For the past couple of years, I’ve felt the same - this team is not good enough and they would be lucky to squeak into a playoff spot. The 40 to 45 shots a night against was not a recipe for success. Markstrom and Demko saved our bacon night after night. We are a soft team to play against. Weak on the boards and we lose too many puck battles. Also, we need a young big strong true top 2-3 RHD (and that’s not a shot at Schenn who I like). We need at least one more good young top 4 D. We need stronger wingers who will win puck battles and come away with loose pucks. Then, maybe with some good complementary players (like Kuzmenko) and one of Horvat or Miller to play centre with EP, maybe then we could be a solid playoff contender. I’d definitely keep Hughes too (D like that don’t come around often). We also need much stronger team defence. If we don’t make those changes (through the draft and trades) unfortunately, we are destined for more pain. By the way, after following this team for 52 years, I hope I’m wrong and this team can turn it around without having to do a rebuild. This is just my opinion. Edited November 15, 2022 by sockeye 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 32 minutes ago, lmm said: so, you are in favour of a half reset? Trading 1/3 of our top 6 and 1/4 of our top 4 dmen mid season is a half reset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 20 minutes ago, lmm said: hahaha the old it happened once , so the Canucks should use that method narrative!! Lidstrom won one cup as captain of the Team that Steve Y was leader of 2008, Chelios, Maltby, McCarty, Draper, Lilja, Downey the Canucks aren't that good, nor that tough And Lidstrom captained the last cup win by one of the leagues great dynasties Numerous other similar leaders, Scott Niedermeyer, Ryan O’Reilly, Gabe Landeskog, Sidney Crosby, Jonathon Toews. It’s happened far more than once. Lmao. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cluminati* Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Apologies if this was posted before, another very accurate message. Too bad it will probably not get through again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Trading 1/3 of our top 6 and 1/4 of our top 4 dmen mid season is a half reset? trade boeser, Pearson, garland, miller, Myers, Demko, horvat the players I would keep are Hughes,m EP, schenn, Podz (dear lord what happened to him, looked so good last 50 games last year- we should have drafted Cole Coufield) but yes NJD would pay a premium for Hughes - but boy is he a special talent who will only get better and better especially when on a good team, reminds me of Scott Neidermeyer... To NJD Quinn Demko To VAN Mercer Holtz Nemec Casey one of NJs shitty goalies 2023 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 10 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Trading 1/3 of our top 6 and 1/4 of our top 4 dmen mid season is a half reset? sorry, you favour a 1/4 reset Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: trade boeser, Pearson, garland, miller, Myers, Demko, horvat the players I would keep are Hughes,m EP, schenn, Podz (dear lord what happened to him, looked so good last 50 games last year- we should have drafted Cole Coufield) but yes NJD would pay a premium for Hughes - but boy is he a special talent who will only get better and better especially when on a good team, reminds me of Scott Neidermeyer... To NJD Quinn Demko To VAN Mercer Holtz Nemec Casey one of NJs shitty goalies 2023 1st This team doesn’t need a rebuild, it does need some big moves. Bo, Quinn, Demko are non starters for me to move out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, lmm said: sorry, you favour a 1/4 reset Well the team doesn’t need a scorched earth rebuild either. Name the last time a team completed a full rebuild mid season. I’ll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Numerous other similar leaders, Scott Niedermeyer, Ryan O’Reilly, Gabe Landeskog, Sidney Crosby, Jonathon Toews. It’s happened far more than once. Lmao. how many of those guys have captained their team to 7 straight multi goal lead loses? How many have captained their team to 60% pk? How many of those guys won their first cup before they were 24 years old? lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Just now, lmm said: how many of those guys have captained their team to 7 straight multi goal lead loses? How many have captained their team to 60% pk? How many of those guys won their first cup before they were 24 years old? lmao Well cups and wins are a team accomplishment so completely irrelevant. Good job proving nothing. Lmao. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 8 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Well the team doesn’t need a scorched earth rebuild either. Name the last time a team completed a full rebuild mid season. I’ll wait. It has never happened does that make you feel superior? Kool brah the problem in Vancouver is that IT NEEDS TO START SOMETIME Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: Well cups and wins are a team accomplishment so completely irrelevant. Good job proving nothing. Lmao. and you proved what exactly by bringing up Lidstrom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 29 minutes ago, Odd. said: Nemec went 2nd overall, there were talks of him potentially even being drafted 1st overall. He’s pretty good. And Bahl is a 6’6 defensive defenseman. One thing in common is that these two are tremendous skaters. Id trade Hughes for them both in a heartbeat. As well as a 1st rounder, and grab a young roster guy from them like a Sarangovich or Miles Wood. That’s the thing though, if we’re trading Hughes that asking price has to be that, if not more, and New Jersey would definitely be listening. That would be a seriously ballsy move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, lmm said: It has never happened does that make you feel superior? Kool brah the problem in Vancouver is that IT NEEDS TO START SOMETIME They don’t need a full rebuild at all. They do need to make a smart move soon though. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, lmm said: and you proved what exactly by bringing up Lidstrom? That captains don’t have to hit or fight to be good leaders. Wasn’t that hard of a conversation to follow. If you’re that lost maybe don’t interject yourself into the conversation wit smarmy comments. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: That captains don’t have to hit or fight to be good leaders. Wasn’t that hard of a conversation to follow. If you’re that lost maybe don’t interject yourself into the conversation wit smarmy comments. Oh, I thought you were comparing Bo to Lidstrom Yvon Cournoyer was Captain once too So I will agree with you, however, I don't see the relevance to the Canuck predicament You listed some really good captains, that have nothing to do with this poor example of a team I'll leave you to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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