Warhippy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: Yes, players dont need time to develop. El oh el. man you really dont understand rebuilds do you? do yourself a favour and go study the rebuilds and development paths of TBL, WSH, PIT, COL, STL and CHI. Go look at how many of their biggest players took a couple years of development in the minors before making an impact in the NHL. Ontop of that, why didnt Mackinnon win a cup his 1st year, 2nd year or the first 8 years of his career? Gee I wonder if it had anything to do with him evolving as a player. Regular Season Playoffs Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM NHL Totals 668 253 438 691 296 2011-12 Halifax Mooseheads QMJHL 58 31 47 78 45 11 17 13 15 28 12 2012-13 Halifax Mooseheads QMJHL 44 32 43 75 45 40 17 11 22 33 12 2013-14 Colorado Avalanche NHL 82 24 39 63 26 20 7 2 8 10 4 2014-15 Colorado Avalanche NHL 64 14 24 38 34 -7 -- -- -- -- -- 2015-16 Colorado Avalanche NHL 72 21 31 52 20 -4 -- -- -- -- -- 2016-17 Colorado Avalanche NHL 82 16 37 53 16 -14 -- -- -- -- -- 2017-18 Colorado Avalanche NHL 74 39 58 97 55 11 6 3 3 6 4 2018-19 Colorado Avalanche NHL 82 41 58 99 34 20 12 6 7 13 2 2019-20 Colorado Avalanche NHL 69 35 58 93 12 13 15 9 16 25 12 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche NHL 48 20 45 65 37 22 10 8 7 15 2 2021-22 Colorado Avalanche NHL 65 32 56 88 42 22 20 13 11 24 8 2022-23 Colorado Avalanche NHL 30 11 32 43 20 11 Or hey Kucherov?? Regular Season Playoffs Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM +/- GP G A Pts PIM 2009-10 CSKA Red Army Jr. Rus-MHL 53 29 25 54 40 23 2010-11 CSKA Red Army Jr. Rus-MHL 41 27 31 58 81 42 2010-11 CSKA Moscow KHL 8 0 2 2 0 -3 -- -- -- -- -- 2011-12 CSKA Red Army Jr. Rus-MHL 23 24 19 43 40 16 2011-12 CSKA Moscow KHL 18 1 3 4 4 -1 2012-13 Quebec Remparts QMJHL 6 3 7 10 2 -1 2012-13 Rouyn-Noranda Huskies QMJHL 27 26 27 53 12 18 14 9 15 24 10 2013-14 Syracuse Crunch AHL 17 13 11 24 10 1 -- -- -- -- -- 2013-14 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 52 9 9 18 14 3 2 1 0 1 0 2014-15 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 82 29 36 65 37 38 26 10 12 22 14 2015-16 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 77 30 36 66 30 9 17 11 8 19 8 2016-17 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 74 40 45 85 38 13 -- -- -- -- -- 2017-18 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 80 39 61 100 42 15 17 7 10 17 10 2018-19 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 82 41 87 128 62 24 3 0 2 2 19 2019-20 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 68 33 52 85 38 26 25 7 27 34 22 2020-21 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL -- -- -- -- -- -- 23 8 24 32 14 2021-22 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 47 25 44 69 22 1 23 8 19 27 14 2022-23 Tampa Bay Lightning NHL 41 17 45 62 22 3 Isnt it odd how each year his point totals increased, year by year? Weird.. Gee… I wonder if developing and filling out and reaching their athletic prime had anything to do with their success? Nah, Pettersson is sh*t and wont get better, neither will Hughes, Horvat never got better year after year, JT Miller never got better year after year, Demko never developed… we’re doomed. These guys in Vancouver do not have an athletic prime and dont get better as their careers go on. Only other teams have that. I adore how you so pick and choose specific players, teams and timelines and then copy and paste hockey db as though that somehow justifies your position Because yes it's Gillis' fault he didn't take MacKinnon or kucherov and those players are totally indicative of the norm across the NHL when playing alongside generational talents and players picked in the top 3 We're in cap hell, have one of the 5 worst winning percentages since 2015 and the 28ty rated prospect pool because of *checks notes* mike gillis Edited January 16, 2023 by Warhippy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 36 minutes ago, Connor McDooDoo said: He’s not an idiot, I don’t know where that narrative came from. He’s a players coach, and went on the record saying he never went more than 3 days without talking to each and every player. He also said you can win with any type of system, it’s about getting the players to buy into it. Every player needs to be treated a little different, but he went on to say that he expects players to stick up for another and lead each other. He doesn’t put up with any of that pouting stuff. His gambling incident is not reflective of the type of person he is. He’s a young coach, has cup pedigree and experience, and is eager to coach. He is a convicted criminal, a cheat, and no team should have anything to do with him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick65 Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 QUIET FIRING? No Class Canucks! I'm not sure it's true - but it seems that the team has hired Tocchet to replace Bruce - but will humiliate the current coach by having that public knowledge and still having him coach until the allstar break. Absolutely a zero class move by the new but amateur-looking management team. If It's tocchet next month, get an interim in there and be a decent organization. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Rick65 said: QUIET FIRING? No Class Canucks! I'm not sure it's true - but it seems that the team has hired Tocchet to replace Bruce - but will humiliate the current coach by having that public knowledge and still having him coach until the allstar break. Absolutely a zero class move by the new but amateur-looking management team. If It's tocchet next month, get an interim in there and be a decent organization. A decent organization wouldn't hire Tocchet to begin with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 49 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Yes. We're in great shape. Every single analyst is wrong and the Canucks are secretly ready to strike with the 28tg rated prospect pool and one of the 5 worst winning percentages in the last 7 years. It's all coming together Tell me how many rebuilds have good winning percentages lmfao. 2 playoff appearances in 7 years while rebuilding. I’d say thats better than…. EDM, TOR, ARZ, BUF, NJD’s 10+ year rebuilds. ARZ is still a disaster, BUF isnt a playoff team, EDM and TOR are holding onto the hopes McDavid/Drai Matthews/Marner and soon Drai will be a UFA and up for an unaffordable deal, as well as Matthews and when Matthews needs a new contract, they will have 11mil invested in 34 year old John Tavares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 30 minutes ago, Connor McDooDoo said: Not even remotely the same. Also, you know who else was involved in that? Gretzky, his wife, and Travis Green. They made it out, Rick took heat, but he wasn’t the ring leader. I’m not about to debate morality here, but knowing someone was being continuously raped and abused and turning a blind eye to it is far worse than any type of “match fixing”. Oh, so not as bad as that, so good enough for the Canucks, eh? NFW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I adore how you so pick and choose specific players, teams and timelines and then copy and paste hockey db as though that somehow justifies your position Because yes it's Gillis' fault he didn't take MacKinnon or kucherov and those players are totally indicative of the norm across the NHL when playing alongside generational talents and players picked in the top 3 We're in cap hell, have one of the 5 worst winning percentages since 2015 and the 28ty rated prospect pool because of *checks notes* mike gillis *Checks notes* yep Gillis drafted and developed 1 single player. Solid transition from the Sedin era. Lol. Not like we needed talent or anything to sustain a winning culture after the twins retired. Nahh thats dumb. We’ll draft a new team in our first draft. Dont worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Watch Rutherford go full Penguin and announce a new coaching staff of Rick Tocchet (HC), Sergei Gonchar (AC), Mark Recchi (AC), and Jacques Martin (AC). (I’m mostly kidding here. And only Tocchet and Gonchar have been rumoured so far. Just wouldn’t surprise me if the final staff is made up entirely of former Penguins.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 10 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said: Wouldn't it make more sense to bring in Tocchet as an assistant ... since, well ... you could point to his time as an assistant as arguably being the most successful of his coaching career. That way, you get the structure and accountability you're looking for with Tocchet while not losing the offense minded and motivational/players coach in Bruce. It does not make sense to bring a cancer like Tocchet onto the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 (edited) Are we actually going to hire Rick Tocchet? Wow…. Would rather have kept Brad Shaw. Heck we should have brought in Kevin Bieksa and Alex Burrows. Edited January 16, 2023 by Elias Pettersson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said: Watch Rutherford go full Penguin and announce a new coaching staff of Rick Tocchet (HC), Sergei Gonchar (AC), Mark Recchi (AC), and Jacques Martin (AC). (I’m mostly kidding here. And only Tocchet and Gonchar have been rumoured so far. Just wouldn’t surprise me if the final staff is made up entirely of former Penguins.) Recchi would be the team doctor. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 9 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I adore how you so pick and choose specific players, teams and timelines and then copy and paste hockey db as though that somehow justifies your position We're in cap hell, have one of the 5 worst winning percentages since 2015 and the 28ty rated prospect pool because of *checks notes* mike gillis I adore how you refuse to go do some research and ramble on here blindly about other teams and have zero rebuttal when I call you out on all of the teams you listed. Its cute how when you are losing an argument you just deflect over and over. Answer me this. Would our prospect pool be better if we had Petey and Hughes in the minors developing from 2017-2020? You seem to forget we drafted NHL players who were able to skip the A and produce in the show. Boeser was fine in the NHL, but to make you feel better about the prospect pool. Him, Pettersson, Hughes, Demko, Podz and Hogs all could have been in the minors at the same time. Would you shut up about the prospect pool then? You’d cry about the NHL team instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 This whole thing is disgusting. Makes me sick to think we would stoop to hiring some like Tocchet at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Just now, Elias Pettersson said: Are we actually going to hire Rick Tocchet? Wow…. Woyld rather have kept Brad Shaw. Heck we should have brought in Kevin Bieksa and Alex Burrows. I’m still curious if offering a raise and an associate coach title could have kept Shaw here? Probably not, given Shaw’s connections to Torts, and also how poorly he was utilized under Benning/Green and how bad his experience was for around half his time here, but I still would have liked the Canucks to have tried to match or beat the Flyers’ offer, instead of just letting him go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 4 minutes ago, Goal:thecup said: It does not make sense to bring a cancer like Tocchet onto the team. Oh, I'm with you on that ... but ... looks like it's going to happen, so this makes more sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 17 minutes ago, Warhippy said: I adore how you so pick and choose specific players, teams and timelines and then copy and paste hockey db as though that somehow justifies your position Because yes it's Gillis' fault he didn't take MacKinnon or kucherov and those players are totally indicative of the norm across the NHL when playing alongside generational talents and players picked in the top 3 We're in cap hell, have one of the 5 worst winning percentages since 2015 and the 28ty rated prospect pool because of *checks notes* mike gillis hippyin British English or hippie (ˈhɪpɪ ) NOUNWord forms: plural -pies a. (esp during the 1960s) a person whose behaviour, dress, use of drugs, etc, implied a rejection of conventional values ahhhh now I get it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goal:thecup Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 I am going to hire a Sign Flying Plane: Fire Tocchet and Whoever Hired Him! If they go ahead with this idea, it is going to take a long time to wash The Stank off it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldFaithfulCap Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 All pens mafia and betting aside, Tocchet sees himself as a motivational coach who can handle tough personalities. Apart from miller that doesn't seem like anyone else. I thought JR wanted systems? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Goal:thecup said: I am going to hire a Sign Flying Plane: Fire Tocchet and Whoever Hired Him! If they go ahead with this idea, it is going to take a long time to wash The Stank off it. I'm not sure it's possible. Depending on where Bedard goes, I might just pick a new team to support. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted January 16, 2023 Share Posted January 16, 2023 Want to see a crock of shit? Hire Tocchet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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