[DEBATE] Which is the worst trade in Vancouver Canucks history?

[NewbieCanuckFan]

6 minutes ago, Tiger-Hearted said:

Regardless, Butler was a lousy acquisition at the expense of both Vaive and Derlago.

Neither Vaive nor Derlago had a cool nickname like "The Shadow".  He would literally shadow a specific player on the other team as instructed by the coach Captain Video.  It was hilarious as it was like watching two synchronized swimmers where Butler would almost mimic every move of the othe player no matter where they were on the Ice.  It got to the point Marcel Dionne yelled at Butler at the bench while he was skating by "Aren't you coming Jerry?" when the later for whatever reason didn't come on the Ice (he was probably waiting for someone to come off the Ice first).  

[iinatcc]

1 hour ago, BC_Hawk said:

That is definitely a possibility, and if that were the case, the move kinda makes sense. Having said that, if it were a career ender, LTIR would have been better for the team.

 

Once again, I hope this is not just a short term decision driven by an impatient owner. This has been the case now since 2011; poor short term decisions to appease him.

It's not so much if he's injured or not rather it's how his performance will be after his recovery. 70% of the OEL the Canucks have now is not a good thing especially with that contract. 

 

Reality is that it is a short term decision. It's to have cap room to make moves to help this core. But the option really was buy out OEL and have the cap space to help this team or don't buy him and hence you will have 7+ million in cap space during the prime years of Pettersson and Hughes making it harder to build a team around them.  

 

There was no good decision with OEL, just the bad the decision that makes the most sense. And if you believe in this young core then this was the only option.

Edited June 19, 2023 by iinatcc

[IBatch]

On 6/17/2023 at 4:47 PM, Bob.Loblaw said:

We also fleeced New York by trading away Trevor Linden FOR Todd Bertuzzi.  #16's career went sideways before he returned to Vancouver in a secondary role.  So... thank you, Messier...?

Plus Bryan McAbe and Ruutu ... one of which eventually became a Sedin. 

[Kevin Biestra]

1 hour ago, Tiger-Hearted said:

Regardless, Butler was a lousy acquisition at the expense of both Vaive and Derlago.

 

Butler was a warm body to add some experience.  Actually got a couple Selke votes in his first full year as a Canuck.  By 1982 he was in the minors most of the year and on the way out.  I guess it was kind of like having Jussi Jokinen thrown in for a deal.  He didn't really hurt anything but looking at the Leafs roster from around then maybe we could have bargained for Paul Gardner or Joel Quenneville.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

2 hours ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Butler was a warm body to add some experience.  Actually got a couple Selke votes in his first full year as a Canuck.  By 1982 he was in the minors most of the year and on the way out.  I guess it was kind of like having Jussi Jokinen thrown in for a deal.  He didn't really hurt anything but looking at the Leafs roster from around then maybe we could have bargained for Paul Gardner or Joel Quenneville.

In his "The Shadow" role, I'm pretty sure he held Marcel Dionne & Wayne Gretzky pointless as a Canuck during that year.  I wish I could find youtube videos only of some of his shifts.  I'll say it again, it was hilarious him "shadowing" those two (I'm not kidding when I said it was like two synchronized swimmers in action).

[Alflives]

Morning show on 590 talking about the OEL buyout. They are roasting Benning. Say his OEL trade is one of the worst in nhl history. So not just our worst ever but one of the worst ever in the league. 
Benning 

[DrJockitch]

42 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Morning show on 590 talking about the OEL buyout. They are roasting Benning. Say his OEL trade is one of the worst in nhl history. So not just our worst ever but one of the worst ever in the league. 
Benning 

We paid him $10M (before escrow) for a year of fair hockey, a year of downright terrible hockey another $10M then paid him $19.5M to go away incurring an 8 year cap penalty. 
It is epically awful but won’t be amongst worst in NHL history unless Guenther turns into a star. 

Edited June 19, 2023 by DrJockitch

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

Morning show on 590 talking about the OEL buyout. They are roasting Benning. Say his OEL trade is one of the worst in nhl history. So not just our worst ever but one of the worst ever in the league. 
Benning 

That would be something.   So far we already are connected to two of the worst (or best, depending what side you're on) trades in NHL history.    One is considered the second best ever - that's Stajonov for Naslund.   Naslund had more first all star berths than Stajanov had goals.   The worst trade in NHL history is widely considered Boston trading Dryden to MTL.    Not only did the three guys traded for him never play a single game in the NHL, the original Giraffe, took a team that wasn't even supposed to make the playoffs, all the way to the cup in 1970-71, knocking out the heavily favoured Bruins on the way.   Then became one of the best goalies all-time.   Tied with Hasek for career save percentage, best winning percentage by far, of course those great teams helped that too.   But they weren't all great, starting with the one in 1970.. THN has him at number 7, but also says he'd end up in the best ever argument, had he stuck around for longer.    Anyone who lets goals in on purpose, to motivate his team ... well he was pretty awesome.   Only Roy stepped right in as a rookie and took his team all the way to the cup like Dryden did.    Also managed eye popping stats, in the highest scoring era (1970-1994) Only Parent and Espo had respectable save percentages in the 70's.    57 career losses in 397 games is just gaudy.   5 first string all-star of his 7 seasons.   It's debateable if his 7 years were better then Haseks best 7 years.  5 Vezina's (Parent's best years were as good or better then any of his), Hart finalists and votes most years, and there was some great candidates back then.    

 
Agree with above poster - Guenther would have to become a star player, a fringe HHOFer for this trade to get into the top ten, top five for sure.   At this point it's Garland and cap versus Guenther.    And he'd have to be a HHOFer and a good one at that, to beat the Dryden trade.   At least Garland is an NHLer lol.   Probably win a Hart trophy and be a first string all-star 3-4 times to pass the Stajanov trade. 

 

Edit:  And yes the Neely trade is in the top ten too.   Dionne to LA yikes!  Gilmour to the Leafs whoops ... Brett Hull, CAL won a cup so can't really count that one, but still Hull was one of the best snipers the games ever had.     They needed Ramage in the playoffs that year.    Rick Middleton ... over 400 goals in less than 900 games for the Bruins for Ken Hodge.    One guy who should get HHOF consideration given who else is already in.    Naslund maybe too given he played through the dead puck era and was one of the leagues snipers when goalie equipment was ridiculous (Garth Snowman lol, making huge alterations to his shoulders and his upper body) and clutch and grab was at it worst.    Roy to COL...Keane was arguably as good as any of those guys MTL got back, a key support player of those COL teams too.    Selanne, they traded lottery tickets!  Whoops.  Oleg was pretty good though. 

Edited June 19, 2023 by IBatch

[IBatch]

1 hour ago, DrJockitch said:

We paid him $10M (before escrow) for a year of fair hockey, a year of downright terrible hockey then paid him $19.5M to go away incurring an 8 year cap penalty. 
It is epically awful but won’t be amongst worst in NHL history unless Guenther turns into a star. 

You bet.   Even to approach the Naslund trade he'd have to win a Pearson/Lindsay, second in Hart voting or a finalist, and almost win an Art Ross, plus get 3 first all-star selections just to match.    Garland actually is an NHLer.   Managed more his first year with us than Stajanov did his entire career.    Cap is definitely difficult to frame properly compared to pre-cap trades.   But it's not difficult to assess the player for player stuff.

 

The buyout makes it a lot worse.   Definitely will become a trade tree of sorts though.   For sure it was an epic failure. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2023 by IBatch

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, IBatch said:

You bet.   Even to approach the Naslund trade he'd have to win a Pearson/Lindsay, second in Hart voting or a finalist, and almost win an Art Ross, plus get 3 first all-star selections just to match.    Garland actually is an NHLer.   Managed more his first year with us than Stajanov did his entire career.    Cap is definitely difficult to frame properly compared to pre-cap trades.   But it's not difficult to assess the player for player stuff.

 

The buyout makes it a lot worse.   Definitely will become a trade tree of sorts though.   For sure it was an epic failure. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The buyout eases the OEL pain. The 650 guys are now trashing Benning. 
Benning 

[IBatch]

13 minutes ago, Alflives said:

The buyout eases the OEL pain. The 650 guys are now trashing Benning. 
Benning 

Deservedly so.   Was firmly on the side of the fence of just one more year of pain with LE.   Did feel we did ok with OEL at the time, figured he would just be like Edler during his last deal with us, overpaid but also filling a vital role.   First year didn't seem so bad given we lost all our PKers.  5 x 5 wasn't terrible.   Last season was terrible.   Brisbois kind of proved that.    Was hoping it was just his ankle, and he'd be as good or even better than his first year with us.     Avoiding a buyout for even one year.

 

 

Anyways, it is what it is.   We did need to replace Edler with a younger version of himself.   Now we do again.    Allvin needs to be awfully smart about what he does with his newfound cap.   Cap will be king going into the draft, and especially free agency and the trade market.    We need to poach a good young defenseman, that a team simply can't afford.   Left side for sure easier to do then right side.    IF we can poach a solid top four and be smart about free agent.   Maybe this will work out.    

 

Of course we wouldn't be in the mess if JB was patient.   Have to give the owners some credit.   They are ultimately paying the cost in actual dollars.   Sure hope they back the eff off and out of any decisions other then ones fixing their own stupid impatience.    The only reason this isn't an unmitigated disaster, as in cycle killing one, is the entire league is cash strapped.    They need to strike when the iron is hot.   And not get caught up in spending to the cap even.   Leave a little for the trade deadline, if they can't accomplish what they hope to do this summer.   

Edited June 19, 2023 by IBatch

[canutecanuck]

On 6/17/2023 at 10:24 AM, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Except for that little thing about the 1st round pick that went along with Neely.  As I've said before, guess who was available in the 1st round (of the pick we gave up):

 

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl1987e.html

 

(hint....look at who was picked at 15th).  Hell there's probably a few HHOFers on that round.

Round 8 #166 would've been a great addition to the team as well