MattWN. Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Just now, King Heffy said: Pretty surprised the Penguins ownership is stupid enough to let Dubas make trades without hiring someone qualified to make hockey decisions. That was a solid trade for the Pens though? 1 minute ago, RWJC said: I would argue that Garland still has value to us in that he can play in whatever capacity is asked of him, up or down. He’s potentially top 6 on a bottom feeder, but definitely a utility player. He would be a nice fit with a club like CHI. His price point is higher than what he provides (or is given enough consistency in a regular placement to provide) but perhaps he earns that elsewhere. Boeser is unfortunately one dimensional and everyone league wide understands that. It’s messed up, given his point totals, that’s he’s considered a liability but his cost for range justifies that title. We have to pay to lose these guys unless we can incorporate them into some kind of need for need trade that simply works for respective position. Eg. Boeser + pick for overpriced 3C or Dman + pick). I think that’s still possible with what might shake out this offseason. That's best case scenario. I think realistically you still add something. Wingers just overall have less value than adding a C or a D, if they're similar in calibre to Garland (stat and cost wise) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post grandmaster Posted June 28, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: Ouch, wins a cup and gets tossed. I know he's old and has a 5M cap hit but he just dropped 26G and 50+ points. I guess Pittsburgh won't be too interested in any of our wingers anymore sadly either. Makes you wonder what Beauvillier and Garland are worth - similar (slightly lower) cap hits but also obviously a fair bit less offensive production, but a lot, lot younger. Surely that evens out to a 3rd round pick coming back? Vegas has always been cut throat with their players and guess what? They won a Cup. Our management needs to operate the same way. Previous regimes have hung on to players way too long. 1 2 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, MattWN. said: Still nothing. It's why they haven't been moved. If somebody was offering a 3rd round pick, they would be gone, and OEL probably still be on the roster. The buyout wasn't going to be approved if there were other options, especially ones that returned assets. People are insane if they still think Garland or Beau have ANY value. Taylor Hall just went for nothing. Taylor f**king Hall. Kevin Hayes at 50% retained went for a 6th rounder. It's mind boggling that we still have people talking about Garland like he is a f**king asset at this point. To be fair, Taylor f**king Hall has 2 years left at a $6M cap hit and is coming off a year in which he missed 21 games and paced for 20 goals/27 assists. He lost his spot in the top 6 to Pavel Zacha. Garland had less goals but as many points for $1.05M less AAV and an extra year, Beauvillier produced slightly less but is almost $2M AAV cheaper and only has one year remaining. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Just now, Sean Monahan said: To be fair, Taylor f**king Hall has 2 years left at a $6M cap hit and is coming off a year in which he missed 21 games and paced for 20 goals/27 assists. He lost his spot in the top 6 to Pavel Zacha. Garland had less goals but as many points for $1.05M less AAV and an extra year, Beauvillier produced slightly less but is almost $2M AAV cheaper and only has one year remaining. Are you actually out here trying to say Garland has more value than Hall? Welcome to CDC I guess. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieVedder Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said: To be fair, Taylor f**king Hall has 2 years left at a $6M cap hit and is coming off a year in which he missed 21 games and paced for 20 goals/27 assists. He lost his spot in the top 6 to Pavel Zacha. Garland had less goals but as many points for $1.05M less AAV and an extra year, Beauvillier produced slightly less but is almost $2M AAV cheaper and only has one year remaining. He was a beast in playoffs. He didnt lose his spot.. the bruins were a 3 line team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, MattWN. said: That was a solid trade for the Pens though? They got lucky, but they clearly need to hire a real GM before Dubas does permanent damage. You can't let that idiot make hockey decisions and expect things to go well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Just now, EddieVedder said: He was a beast in playoffs. He didnt lose his spot.. the bruins were a 3 line team. Nah dude. Garland is the superior player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 11 minutes ago, MattWN. said: That was a solid trade for the Pens though? That's best case scenario. I think realistically you still add something. Wingers just overall have less value than adding a C or a D, if they're similar in calibre to Garland (stat and cost wise) So yesterday I was surprised that Kevin Hayes didn't return something more then a 6th round pick considering that Philly was making him a 3.7 million center. Now Reilly Smith brings back a 3rd round pick and I'm back in the camp of believing that Garland would bring back a pick if he's traded. It could go either way but I really hope to see Beauvillier and Boeser traded first. Garland is a line driver, the other two are finishers who require a play driving center to produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 12 minutes ago, MattWN. said: Are you actually out here trying to say Garland has more value than Hall? Welcome to CDC I guess. That's not what I'm saying. People misinterpreting posts and drawing their own conclusions. Welcome to CDC I guess. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 Just now, VancouverHabitant said: So yesterday I was surprised that Kevin Hayes didn't return something more then a 6th round pick considering that Philly was making him a 3.7 million center. Now Reilly Smith brings back a 3rd round pick and I'm back in the camp of believing that Garland would bring back a pick if he's traded. It could go either way but I really hope to see Beauvillier and Boeser traded first. Garland is a line driver, the other two are finishers who require a play driving center to produce. Why? Smith is a better player, playing a more premium position, coming off a Stanley Cup win. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awalk Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, MattWN. said: That was a solid trade for the Pens though? That's best case scenario. I think realistically you still add something. Wingers just overall have less value than adding a C or a D, if they're similar in calibre to Garland (stat and cost wise) seems like a solid trade for the Pens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Canucks Curse said: is it me or is Weeks getting fatter I don't want to make fun out of a persons weight, but it's not you. Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boziffous Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, MattWN. said: Why? Smith is a better player, playing a more premium position, coming off a Stanley Cup win. Smith is a RW isn't he? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 50 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Should call himself Kevin Months Lol, took me a moment, good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 9 minutes ago, boziffous said: Smith is a RW isn't he? Yeah, I had thought he was LW/C, but when I looked closer than his faceof percentage, it was only for a handful of draws. (57% though) He still plays a bigger role, he's a top PKer, and just as effective on the PP. Loads of tangibles that still make him more valuable than guys like Garland who are strictly 5on5 capable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 49 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Pretty surprised the Penguins ownership is stupid enough to let Dubas make trades without hiring someone qualified to make hockey decisions. You can't really say that when he made a good trade though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said: Other teams doing things... any minute now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 minute ago, MeanSeanBean said: any minute now 11th overall for Jamie Benn incoming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattWN. Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, MattWN. said: Making room to keep Barbashev? And theres the Barbashev signing. 5x5. Gotta love Vegas's ability to get shit done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted June 28, 2023 Share Posted June 28, 2023 1 hour ago, MattWN. said: Pretty sure they were under the cap the entirety of the playoffs, even with Stone. Good call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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