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Defense = Major Cause of So-called Luongo Breakdowns

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I don't doubt that goaltending is tied heavily to the other 5 players on the ice, but our defense isn't exactly beer league, either. I just got finished compiling stats over the past 3 seasons for all the defensemen in the league for fantasy hockey and it's pretty shocking how well Edler, Bieksa, and Hamhuis stack up to other defensemen in the league (again, statistically speaking). If you went solely based on the numbers, Edler is easily a Top 15 defenseman in the league (plus he's trending upwards, despite a poor post-season). Even our bottom-pairing is, statistically, one of the better ones in the league.

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The kings had a hard time scoring 2 on Cory and they won the Stanley cup

You do realize things tighten up in the playoffs rite?

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Please see this video at the 3:48 mark:

Please see this video at the 3:31 mark:

Which one looks "mentally prepared" to you?

(hint: one is a spazz and one isn't)

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Wow

Reality is that Luongo stole a few games in the finals against the bruins, and the other nights he needed the team's help.

Just cause he didn't steal all the games ... What do u really expect?

No kesler, no hamuis. Anf by game 7 really no Erhoff, no edler, no Rome, sedins injured, no cup. Those players were shadows of themselves by game 7, ridiculously injured. NHL refs are the real idiots. Or is it the so called rules? Lest u forget what really happened!

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Luongo can look as good as any goalie in the league but is also prone to mental lapse and allows goals by the bushel-full.

You can blaim defensive lapses, which have played a part in recent playoff failures, but I have also seen A LOT of bad goals from Luo. The Chicago blowouts and the Boston debacles were not exactly Luongo's shining moments. He looked bad. I'm not sure how you can deny that.

At the end of the day, both Luongo and the Canucks franchise needs a fresh start.

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The defense was BRUTAL in those Chicago and Boston blow outs, which is why it is hard to blame just Luongo, because he has never really looked bad when the defense in front of him has looked good.

And yes, the same D does play in front of Schneider. The same D that gave the Kings a 2 on 1 that Schneider didn't save. And the same D that didn't clear the ONE rebound he gave out in his first loss that game.

It won't matter if we keep Schneider or Luongo if our defense is going to be highly suspect to teams that don't suck offensively.

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The defense was BRUTAL in those Chicago and Boston blow outs, which is why it is hard to blame just Luongo, because he has never really looked bad when the defense in front of him has looked good.

And yes, the same D does play in front of Schneider. The same D that gave the Kings a 2 on 1 that Schneider didn't save. And the same D that didn't clear the ONE rebound he gave out in his first loss that game.

It won't matter if we keep Schneider or Luongo if our defense is going to be highly suspect to teams that don't suck offensively.

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This thread goes on to tell you that there are more Luongo fans than Canucks fans on this board, readily willing to throw the whole team under the bus if it meant their idol Luongo getting off the hook for everything. This thread should have been closed in/around the second page when someone said Scheneider played behind an equally pathetic team and still posted better numbers and was the much better goalie. [/thread]

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2009

Ohlund-Edler

Mitchell-Salo

Bieksa-O'Brien

Our only solid defenseman was Salo. Even Mitchell was exposed by the hawks. Luongo's first "breakdown"

2010

Edler-Salo

Ehrhoff-O'Brien

Alberts-Bieksa

Salo was the only solid dman again. Ehrhoff and Edler weren't too bad, but they couldn't clear out Byfuglien + the Hawks were way too stacked. Bieksa was playing every game like the Ballard of game 4 in Boston. Luongo once again "broke down"

2011 (first 3 rounds)

Hamhuis-Bieksa

Edler-Ehrhoff

Ballard-Salo

This is when Luongo played his best hockey. Our D was stacked and didn't make many mistakes.

2011 (final)

Edler-Bieksa

Ehrhoff-Salo

Alberts-Tanev

Luongo had horrible games in Boston. Ehrhoff was playing with a shoulder injury. Salo was injured in the first series and came back.

Ballard lost all his confidence so he couldn't play. Bieksa-Edler was a horrible pairing. Alberts and Tanev was our best pairing... A rookie and a 7th defenseman made our best pairing at the time. Edler was also playing with broken fingers during game 7, leaving us with 3 healthy defensemen in game 7. Hamhuis and Rome not being able to play led to another goaltending "breakdown."

2012

Hamhuis-Bieksa

Edler-Salo

Ballard-Tanev

Not bad pairings but our defense wasn't good enough. Salo was playing alright but not good enough. I barely noticed Bieksa other than his hipcheck. Edler was playing horrible, like Bieksa two years ago and Ballard in Boston. Hamhuis tried to do too much. Tanev met expectations and surprisingly Ballard, who just came back from a concussion, was our best defenseman. Luongo didn't have a "breakdown" but people still blamed him for the loss.

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Here's a small sample size:

Games 1-2 - Lu lets in 3 and 4 goals in regulation

Games 3-5 - Schneids lets in 1 goal in regulation each game

Same D.

Here's a larger sample size:

55 Games - Lu's stats: .919 Save%, 2.41 GAA

33 Games - Cory's stats: .937 Save%, 1.96 GAA

Again, same D.

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Here's a small sample size:

Games 1-2 - Lu lets in 3 and 4 goals in regulation

Games 3-5 - Schneids lets in 1 goal in regulation each game

Same D.

Here's a larger sample size:

55 Games - Lu's stats: .919 Save%, 2.41 GAA

33 Games - Cory's stats: .937 Save%, 1.96 GAA

Again, same D.

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Nothing like a good old conspiracy theory.... now it's the defense that play better when Cory is in net. I bet A.V. put them up to it so he could bench Lou and start Cory... Maybe it was M.G. giving the order to A.V. to tell the defense to tank so he has a chance to trade Lou...

Can't wait until Lou is traded so these mindless threads go away!

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Ya sure this thread is a joke. How can you blame the defense for everything? How bout Lu in shooutouts? Is that the canucks players taking the shootouts fault? lol. Your reasoning is a complete joke, and is only seen as a mere effort to try to keep overrated Luongo. Just stop before you embarass yourself.

Lu thinking he is an elite when he is not= Major Cause of So-called Luongo Breakdowns

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You may have some good points OP, but I wish it were Luongo = Major Cause of So-called Canucks Stellar Defense. Much like how Schnieder did =)

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