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#121 theminister

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:28 PM

If the NYR trade Dubinsky to us to acquire Nash that's a lot of turnover for a very good squad last year.

/ edit: unless it's Schneider to the Rags so they can acquire Nash from the Bluejackets.

Edited by theminister, 18 June 2012 - 08:31 PM.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:31 PM

If NYR trade Dubinsky to us to acquire Nash that's a lot of turnover for a very good squad last year.


Why would NYR dump Dubinsky on another team for Nash when they can just include him in the trade to CBJ? I thought he was originally apart of the deal that was close to happened back at the trade deadline.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:33 PM

Dubinsky was invisible at times last year, the only reason why he is available. New York is deep at center with Richards and now Kreider making an impact. Their top 6 is pretty impressive, leaving Dubinsky out of the mix. Ballard and maybe Raymond would land us Dubinsky no problem.

Dubinsky would be a great fit here, and slot in while Kesler is out for up to 2 months to start the season. Ballard would be a fit for a young New York d-core (Del Zotto, McDonagh, Marc Staal), he could add experience and leadership.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:34 PM

Why would NYR dump Dubinsky on another team for Nash when they can just include him in the trade to CBJ? I thought he was originally apart of the deal that was close to happened back at the trade deadline.


That's what I'm saying.

He isn't coming here for Raymond and a 2nd.

If Dubinsky is traded it is for the Rangers to upgrade.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:38 PM

That's what I'm saying.

He isn't coming here for Raymond and a 2nd.

If Dubinsky is traded it is for the Rangers to upgrade.


This might not be the case directly. What if we get to take advantage of another cap dump? If they can get Rick Nash (sort of how SJS got Heatley), and Dubinsky is not involved in the deal... but they MUST shed some cap, we can have another Ehrhoff like situation on our hands. We can get him for dirt cheap.

EDIT: Not Raymond. They'd want ELC's, prospects, and picks. Probably nothing to luxurious.

EDIT: Man, I need to read more posts. Too tired. You already covered that. Ignore everything.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:51 PM

Maybe this could be a cap dump for a cap dump, Ballard for Dubinski.
Like I said earlier, there won't be much going back for Duby, This would be a cap dump by the Rags.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:54 PM

Maybe this could be a cap dump for a cap dump, Ballard for Dubinski.
Like I said earlier, there won't be much going back for Duby, This would be a cap dump by the Rags.


How is that a cap dump unless Ballard is instantly flipped in the other deal?

They make the same money.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:55 PM

I would take him in a heartbeat.

This would be a 'buy-low' circumstance.


Exactly. Just like Booth. He would look great on the second line, as he would add much needed grit and toughness. That being said, he might be that missing piece to our third line. Higgins and Hansen have had a revolving door of centres to work with, and no one has been able to play with consistency. Lapierre is more of a fourth line banger than a defensive/two-way centre. Malhotra is still struggling to find his game after his injury. Pahlsson played well during his stint here, but ultimately wasn't effective.

If Dubinsky is brought in he could very well solidify that third line (and subsequently, the fourth would be set with Lapierre, Malhotra, and Kassian). It would be a very dangerous line, as all three players have grit, can hit, can play very well defensively, and can score.

I assume that if Dubinsky were to come here it would be for a cap dump and to add pieces to allow the Rangers to acquire Rick Nash.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 08:58 PM

Maybe this could be a cap dump for a cap dump, Ballard for Dubinski.
Like I said earlier, there won't be much going back for Duby, This would be a cap dump by the Rags.

yea but they are not just going to dump him for nothing just because they have a surplus of players like him.....there will be a number of teams that need a player like Dubinsky which will create a competitive asking price for him.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 09:16 PM

yea but they are not just going to dump him for nothing just because they have a surplus of players like him.....there will be a number of teams that need a player like Dubinsky which will create a competitive asking price for him.


Exactly.

That's why, if the Rangers reason for trading Dubinsky to us is to acquire Nash, the major piece we are sending back is the major piece they flip to get Columbus to bite because they'd rather have this piece than Dubinsky.

Schneider is the only piece we have that could set that ball rolling.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:00 PM

Care to explain?


What is there to explain?

A guy that has a 4.2 million cap hit for another 3 years and had 10 goals last year. Yeah 2 previous seasons with 20+, but on a top team he is a 3rd liner.

This would be somewhat of a cap dump for the Rags, we already have one overpaid 4.2 million player.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:31 PM

What is there to explain?

A guy that has a 4.2 million cap hit for another 3 years and had 10 goals last year. Yeah 2 previous seasons with 20+, but on a top team he is a 3rd liner.

This would be somewhat of a cap dump for the Rags, we already have one overpaid 4.2 million player.

We don't really have any better options for our 3rd line center. He is good defensively and can put up 40+ points, plus he's versatile. Can't really say that with the options we have right now. Sure he may be overpaid slightly, but trading Luongo+Ballard and letting go of Salo will free up lots of cap space for us.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:44 PM

4.2 for a third line center doesn't make sense. If anything they would move Kesler to the wing and have Booth-Dubinsky-Kesler as the second line, or even Dubinsky-Kesler-Booth.

I would much rather have Malhotra hopefully regain his 30 point defensive specialist form, then pay Dubinsky second line money to be a 40 point 3rd line center. That's just dumb.

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:46 PM

What about this?

To Vancouver: Brandon Dubinsky

To NY Rangers: Mason Raymond + Yann Sauvé + 2013 5th

then

To NY Rangers: Rick Nash

To Columbus: Derek Stepan + Ryan McDonaugh + Chris Kreider + 2012 1st

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

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Posted 18 June 2012 - 11:50 PM

What about this?

To Vancouver: Brandon Dubinsky

To NY Rangers: Mason Raymond + Yann Sauvé + 2013 5th

then

To NY Rangers: Rick Nash

To Columbus: Derek Stepan + Ryan McDonaugh + Chris Kreider + 2012 1st


That would be a huge step backwards for the Rags IMO.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:00 AM

That would be a huge step backwards for the Rags IMO.


What about a 3-way trade avoiding the Rangers all together?

To ?????: Luongo+

To Columbus: ?????+

To Vancouver: Nash(+)


I meant to post this in the other thread, sorry, its the internet.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:06 AM

Screw Dubinsky. Trade a 1st, Raymond, MAG, Ballard for Brassard

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:07 AM

What about a 3-way trade avoiding the Rangers all together?

To ?????: Luongo+

To Columbus: ?????+

To Vancouver: Nash(+)


Screw NY, let them do their thing.

Luongo for Brassard and Mason.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:17 AM

Screw NY, let them do their thing.

Luongo for Brassard and Mason.


Brassard would be a great third line center, which we need.

Not sure if I would want Mason at this point though. His confidence might be shot, and he comes with a 2.9 million dollar cap hit.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 12:20 AM

Gillis clearly loves his Americans.

Ballard, Higgins, Booth, Kesler, Schneider, Alberts. Potentially Dubinsky.
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:25 AM

I don't see Nash going to NY.

I don't know what the Canucks being interested in Dubinsky has anything to do with Nash.

Dubinsky is the exact type of play Gillis wants. 4.2 million for a potential 50 point center.

I donno people rag on Booth, and now you're syaing 4.2 million is over payed for a 3rd line center in his prime.

Who would you rather have Sammuellson and Wellwood?

Just don't get fans who say "just sign Gaustad or Parise" like it's a vidya game. Be joyful for a rumour that has merit, Dubinyk would be sick end of story.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 01:33 AM

Brassard would be a great third line center, which we need.

Not sure if I would want Mason at this point though. His confidence might be shot, and he comes with a 2.9 million dollar cap hit.


Brassard wouldn't be the third line center. He'd be a perfect winger to play with Kesler, and whoever else is on the line. If you want a 3rd line center go sign guy that can be physical. He's also a guy, you can consider taking over the team once the Sedins are done. Brassard is only 24, with a hell lot of upside. Give him some proper development, and he'll be a star and a Captain in this league. Problem is, we've heard his name in rumors about I can't imagine Columbus wanting to get rid of the guy but, if he's available. Should be on the top of every team's list. I'd even overpay. Brassards one of those guys, who has clutch abilities, and though not a good fighting. (He's been destroyed in a lot of fights) Will always stand up for his teammates. Real ballsy kid, and we've been lacking a guy like that for a while now. Reminds me so much of Joe Sakic, he's a poor mans Sakic right now. A huge shot. Give him time. Guy is real undervalued and underrated. It's only a matter of time, until he breaks out. Biggest flaw in his game right now is confidence. Go figure, he plays for Columbus. He needs the confidence to shoot the damn puck. 125 shots on net last year, in 74 games. Brutal.

Dubinsky lacks offensive skill to be a winger with Kesler. He's physical, but a 3rd line center shouldn't cost as much as he does. Besides, he takes too many stupid penalties. I don't think the Canucks can afford another guy with his sort of personality. Team already has too many clowns. The chirping from this team has to stop. It's only made the Canucks look bad to fans and refs.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:04 AM

For those saying Dubinsky is too expensive to be a third line centre:

1. Someone needs to play second line centre while Kes is injured.

2. Dubinsky is versatile, can play the wing.

3. The Penguins won a Stanley Cup with J. Staal as their 3rd line centre, and he was a 4 mil cap hit.


The likelihood of the season being delayed means Kesler will not need a replacement. It seems like the NHL is prepping for a season that starts with the Winter Classic.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 04:13 AM

5 mil left after acquiring dubinsky and parise. Traded loungo straight up for shenn, abviously we could get more. Kept malhotra and alberts just to see how cap would look with them on the team.


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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:02 AM

Screw Dubinsky. Trade a 1st, Raymond, MAG, Ballard for Brassard


I think Brassard would be a good get but not at this price. Take out the first and MAG and it's still overpayment to me but would give Columbus some much needed speed and added help on defense while providing us some cap relief also.

However...Doesnt Ballard have a limited NTC?
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 06:52 AM

Screw NY, let them do their thing.

Luongo for Brassard and Mason.

Yes please. Brassard has tons of potential, Clb has slowed his progression like they did to all their other prospects. Mason wouldn't be a bad pickup as the Nucks good develop him properly and then trade in the future.
Why would Clb want Dubinsky and his poor cap hit?

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:08 AM

Does Dubinsky kill penalties for the Rags?
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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:13 AM

Does Dubinsky kill penalties for the Rags?


He averages 1:15 per game. 1:46 per game on the PP. Only 36 blocked shots.

If MG could, he should really push for Boyle. The guy's a beast.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 07:27 AM

He averages 1:15 per game. 1:46 per game on the PP. Only 36 blocked shots.

If MG could, he should really push for Boyle. The guy's a beast.

Boyle? The guy that ran and suckered Karlsson and then turtled when the Sens wanted him to answer. No thx. Plays exactly the same way as Taylor Pyatt.

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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:00 AM

I think he'd make a great third line center as Manny has not played well at all since his eye injury.I'd replace Manny for sure and we'd be a bit better of a team.
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