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#1 Sully2Cool

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:00 PM

There was nothing wrong with the collective knee-jerk response locally to news that both Zach Parise and Ryan Suter had signed in Minnesota.
All of the people who pointed out, again and again, that the chase for those Northwest Division championship hats just got more difficult for the Canucks were on point.
But it doesn’t take much to put a positive spin on the moves from the Vancouver point of view.
For one, it’s better Parise is in ­Minny for this upcoming season than, say, Chicago.
And better Suter is in the so-called of State of Hockey rather than Hockeytown, Detroit.
The Canucks are built to win now and the Wild remain something of a work-in-progress. It’s likely a couple years yet before the Wild could be one of the favourites in the Western Conference.
So, the powerhouses are no better because of it. Yes, we can see that is spin. But that’s one way to view this as good news over at The Roge.
And if we’re already in full spin, here’s even better news: The Wild deals mean Shea Weber is coming to Vancouver.
All right, that’s just an ongoing dream of many Canucks fans. But Nashville GM David Poile sure couldn’t do anything to pop their collective bubble.
Poile expressed frustration and exasperation with Suter leaving. One media member accurately told him he sounded like he just got hit with a jackhammer.
Obviously, he was crushed, and still in disbelief that Suter had left Tennessee. Poile even suggested Suter had lied, while calling out his agent, Neil Sheehy, who Poile claimed promised him this in November: “[Suter] is not going anywhere else. He’s signing with the Nashville ­Predators.”
That didn’t work out so well.
So, Suter joins Dan Hamhuis as big-time defencemen the Predators recently lost for essentially nothing. Could Weber, currently an RFA set to become a UFA next summer, be next?
It goes without saying fans from just about every other city in the NHL hope so.
In Vancouver, the burn for Weber is especially acute. He’s the type of player the Canucks have never had, and one who grew up in B.C. and played junior in Kelowna.
He may be considered the missing piece in Vancouver, but he is also the type of player the Predators’ entire organization is built around.
Poile said he’s doing two things next: One, looking for Suter’s replacement and two, doing everything he can to re-sign Weber.
But he did admit that just became a whole lot more difficult.
“Speaking for Shea, he certainly hoped Ryan would re-sign,” Poile said.
“I know if Ryan had re-signed it would have been a lot easier to have Shea make a commitment.
“I have to find out [if he wants to stay] now. I’ve already talked to Shea’s representative about a ­longer-term contract.
“The process and the timing was, everyone wanted to see what came down on the Suter situation.”
Has he considered trading Weber if he won’t go for a longer-term deal because of Suter leaving?
“You have to let me play out the process,” Poile said. “This has all happened, like 15 minutes ago. I haven’t talked to Shea today or his representatives.
“I have to get on to see if there is an opportunity to replace Suter with another defenceman. You have to allow me the opportunity to talk to Shea and you have to allow Shea and his representatives some time to decide what is the right thing to do moving forward.
“[Weber] is the guy we want to build our team around. He’s at the top of his game. He’s a Norris Trophy finalist. He knows what we think of him and we want him to be in Nashville for years to come.”
If Weber doesn’t want the same, you can understand why he may push for a trade this summer.
With a new CBA being negotiated, there are a lot of unknowns about how free agents will be impacted.
Will it take longer to become a UFA?
Will the league look to close the loophole that permits deals that circumvent the cap, like Roberto ­Luongo’s or the twin 13-year contracts Parise and Suter just signed?
In other words, now is the time to cash in before those rules change.
Whether the Canucks have the pieces to land Weber is another story.
Sure, they have Alex Edler. But he’s a year away from becoming an unrestricted free agent himself. And just what is Edler going to be worth in this climate?
If Christian Ehrhoff gets $40 million and Suter gets $98 million, it’s not hard to see Edler fall somewhere in the middle.
Whether he’s worth it is a debate for another day.
Of course, any Weber discussion wouldn’t be complete without mention of an offer sheet.
As a restricted free agent, if he were signed to a one-year, predatory offer sheet in the $6,268,175-$7,835,219 range, the compensation would be two first-round picks, a second and third.
Would the Predators match? Probably, but then they couldn’t trade him for a year, and next July they’d be in the exact same situation they just were with Suter.
And can Poile risk getting hit again with another jackhammer?


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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:03 PM

How pissed off do you think Rinne is right now

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:13 PM

Garrison-Weber
Hamhuis-Bieksa

Would be a pretty beasting top 4. If Weber is a ufa next year, I really think it'll be either him or Edler, but not both.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:20 PM

Who wrote this article? :sick:
Hey CDC! Remember this!?

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:24 PM

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:26 PM

Who wrote this article? :sick:


The samjam of reporters .. Botchford.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:26 PM

Wait wait wait... this $hitty article was published??









:bigblush: srsly??
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:32 PM

I'm thinking of applying to be a sports writer for the province. Doesn't seem to take much...

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 10:39 PM

That article is basically a summary of the discussion we've been having on this board since last off season. Millerlite knows more about this than Botchford does.

Anyways, the next couple of weeks should be really interesting. By then Poile will have talked to Weber and should know if he is willing to sign long term. And if he isn't he will very likely be traded, but because he is an RFA it will have to be somewhere that thinks they can sign him, aka somewhere that Weber wants to go.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 11:14 PM

OK, lets say we can afford it, who goes back and for what price? No to Sedins, Kes, Burr, Hammer, Edler, ok maybe Edler but clean the farm? Totally next 2 firsts, then maybe Edler?

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 11:16 PM

OK, lets say we can afford it, who goes back and for what price? No to Sedins, Kes, Burr, Hammer, Edler, ok maybe Edler but clean the farm? Totally next 2 firsts, then maybe Edler?

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 11:19 PM

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 11:35 PM

Haha, I cannot believe this drivel was published... Weber will be a Canuck, he will reunite with the Hammer. We will lose Edler in the process. It will just depend if it is via a trade or free agency
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:32 AM

Nah, we can afford to keep both if there is a Ballard trade, and the cap goes up again. Philly has the same amount invested in their top 6.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 02:27 AM

Good god... I can't read this garbage....

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 03:36 AM

I'd trade elder ++++ whatever else it takes to get weber. Keep the sedins burr kes hamhuis. Trade Ballard tanev prospects bieksa. Oh wait. Does juice have an Ntc? damn.


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Posted 06 July 2012 - 04:41 AM

Letting Edler walk and signing Weber really isn't that much of an advantage - Weber will be at the end of his peak by the end of next season whereas Edler will just be starting to come into his prime.

In the long-term, signing Garrison was a mistake for 4.6 million but it makes sense for next season. Ideally, we find a way to trade Ballard for picks (cap dump) and sign Edler for 5.5 million. He'll probably command 6 million after a 50-60 point season anyway.

That's around 27 million just on defence. If we still have both goalies locked up for 9 million, that leaves just 35ish million on our forwards and we'll have to sign Burrows to a bigger, 4M contract. It is actually quite do-able, even if the cap roof stays at 70M.

Sedin (6.1M) - Sedin (6.1M) - Burrows (4M)
Booth (4.2M) - Kesler (5M) - Higgins (3M)
Raymond (2M) - Lapierre (2M) - Hansen (1.3M)
Kassian (870K) - Gaunce/Ebbett (700K) - Volpatti (700K)

Edler (6M) - Weber (7M)
Bieksa (4.6M) - Hamhuis (4.5M)
Garrison (4.6M) - Tanev (2M)

Schneider (4M)
Luongo (5.3M)

All together thats around 74 million. If the cap roof does extend then MG is a genius and will be able to make it all fit, but Garrison suddenly becomes the new Ballard and one of our goalies have to be moved as a cap dump or for picks because we can't take on any more salary. Still, that is a Cup-winning team right there.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 05:58 AM

edler, kesler + for weber and legwand

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:16 AM

I read this article yesterday but I didn't bother posting it because it was such garbage. This article doesn't tell us anything new and doesn't add any substance to anything we already know. It's simply saying: "Weber MIGHT want to get the payout now. He might not either, but if he does, then him going to Vancouver is a possibility..you know...out of thousands of other possibilities."

I didn't really understand why people were bashing Botchford before. Now I see why people are calling him the SamJam of the reporter world these days.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:25 AM

the sports writers can't just not write. it's their full-time, year-round job. they have to submit copy to be published.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:16 AM

Botchford is such an idiot. The guy has no credibility or respect in the media or any where. Just a cry baby trying make a name for himself and a first class jerk. If you've heard him on the radio and how he treats the others on the show you'll know what I mean. I've called him out several times but the dude has no bal|$ to respond.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:24 AM

How pissed off do you think Rinne is right now


I don't know about you, but counting the 49 million coming my way would certainly help ease the pain.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:35 AM

The fact that horrible blogging constitutes actual journalism is pathetic. If I were a writer I would be pissed, this asshat makes a mockery of not just sports writing, but the entire profession.

Who is the editor that is approving this drivel to actually make publishing? I'd rather Botchford went on a paid 3 month leave of absence each off season, just so I wouldn't have to be trolled like this.

And the media conglomerate of Post Media wonders why they never get my money.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:45 AM

As great as Weber is, using Edler to get him weakens our defense. The only way this works is if Connauton and Tanev turn out to be all-star defensemen out of training camp. And I think that's a little too much to ask. Even if we offered a 1st, Edler and Ballard, and Raymond. I'm pretty sure that would just be a starting price. Nashville will want as much as they can before trading him.

My question is, say Weber signs for 1 year in Nashville. Then he becomes a UFA next year.

What is he going to want as a contract? We don't even know if there will be limits on term, or what the cap will look like?
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:03 AM

Letting Edler walk and signing Weber really isn't that much of an advantage - Weber will be at the end of his peak by the end of next season whereas Edler will just be starting to come into his prime.

In the long-term, signing Garrison was a mistake for 4.6 million but it makes sense for next season. Ideally, we find a way to trade Ballard for picks (cap dump) and sign Edler for 5.5 million. He'll probably command 6 million after a 50-60 point season anyway.

That's around 27 million just on defence. If we still have both goalies locked up for 9 million, that leaves just 35ish million on our forwards and we'll have to sign Burrows to a bigger, 4M contract. It is actually quite do-able, even if the cap roof stays at 70M.

Sedin (6.1M) - Sedin (6.1M) - Burrows (4M)
Booth (4.2M) - Kesler (5M) - Higgins (3M)
Raymond (2M) - Lapierre (2M) - Hansen (1.3M)
Kassian (870K) - Gaunce/Ebbett (700K) - Volpatti (700K)

Edler (6M) - Weber (7M)
Bieksa (4.6M) - Hamhuis (4.5M)
Garrison (4.6M) - Tanev (2M)

Schneider (4M)
Luongo (5.3M)

All together thats around 74 million. If the cap roof does extend then MG is a genius and will be able to make it all fit, but Garrison suddenly becomes the new Ballard and one of our goalies have to be moved as a cap dump or for picks because we can't take on any more salary. Still, that is a Cup-winning team right there.

There's only an 8 month difference in the two. Unless they are a particularly hard 8 months for Weber your talking bull

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:24 AM

Letting Edler walk and signing Weber really isn't that much of an advantage - Weber will be at the end of his peak by the end of next season whereas Edler will just be starting to come into his prime.

What?? They're both 26, how is Weber at the end of his peak and Edler just coming into his prime??

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:34 AM

As great as Weber is, using Edler to get him weakens our defense. The only way this works is if Connauton and Tanev turn out to be all-star defensemen out of training camp. And I think that's a little too much to ask. Even if we offered a 1st, Edler and Ballard, and Raymond. I'm pretty sure that would just be a starting price. Nashville will want as much as they can before trading him.

My question is, say Weber signs for 1 year in Nashville. Then he becomes a UFA next year.

What is he going to want as a contract? We don't even know if there will be limits on term, or what the cap will look like?


The impact of having Weber on the roster for the minutes he will absorb more than offsets Edler's inconsistency in certain aspects of his game as well as the loss of Ballard.

Weber-Garrison
Hamhuis-Bieksa

That is a rock solid T4. Tanev is poised to make a push, we still have Alberts under contract. Gillis just needs to sign a bottom pairing D-man who is defensively solid. Possibilities include:


Carlo Colaiacovo
Shaone Morrisonn
Milan Jurcina

Jurcina is an odd choice, due to his -34 last season. I don't know the specifics but that to me seems like he played T4 minutes on a horrible team. He's a big body (6'4. 253 lbs) which in a limited bottom pairing role might be OK, though he could also very easily be a pylon, but his history seems to be a bit more stable defensively than last season. He is a right handed shot however.

Colaiacavo would be my top choice, followed by Jurcina and then Morrisonn.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 08:58 AM

As great as Weber is, using Edler to get him weakens our defense. The only way this works is if Connauton and Tanev turn out to be all-star defensemen out of training camp. And I think that's a little too much to ask. Even if we offered a 1st, Edler and Ballard, and Raymond. I'm pretty sure that would just be a starting price. Nashville will want as much as they can before trading him.

My question is, say Weber signs for 1 year in Nashville. Then he becomes a UFA next year.

What is he going to want as a contract? We don't even know if there will be limits on term, or what the cap will look like?

Weber is a RFA now and can be given a 'offer sheet'. What you are prepared to give in a deal is for ONE year prior to UFA. Get real. Without a doubt Poile has already offered Weber the moon and he did not extend his contract. Poile must have realized that losing Suter meant Weber was going as well. The Preds can put on a brave face but the Suter signing was a organizational disaster. They are faced with trying to sign a player who won't sign and in waiting wtach his trade value sink to nothing. He walks as a free agent next July! On top of that any potential deal they strike would probably require an extension of Weber with the acquiring club. Failing that extension the acquiring club gets him for one season.

AT 27 Weber is going into his peak years. Van could offer the Preds Edler which would generate a internal discussion between Weber and Gillis. Van could ask for an extension as part of the deal and negociate from there. They would soon know whether Weber in fact wanted to 'come home'. It is doable but an argument could be made that the asking price might be too high. At this point we don't know what the figure is. Van has to attract Weber as he has never played on a team with the talent Van has up front. He would have a real CUP opportinuty here.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 09:08 AM

I know all this Weber talk is getting a little redundant but I thought this article shed some positive light on the posibility of a trade to Van city.
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There was nothing wrong with the collective knee-jerk response locally to news that both Zach Parise and Ryan Suter had signed in Minnesota.
All of the people who pointed out, again and again, that the chase for those Northwest Division championship hats just got more difficult for the Canucks were on point.
But it doesn’t take much to put a positive spin on the moves from the Vancouver point of view.
For one, it’s better Parise is in Minny for this upcoming season than, say, Chicago.
And better Suter is in the so-called of State of Hockey rather than Hockeytown, Detroit.
The Canucks are built to win now and the Wild remain something of a work-in-progress. It’s likely a couple years yet before the Wild could be one of the favourites in the Western Conference.
So, the powerhouses are no better because of it. Yes, we can see that is spin. But that’s one way to view this as good news over at The Roge.
And if we’re already in full spin, here’s even better news: The Wild deals mean Shea Weber is coming to Vancouver.
All right, that’s just an ongoing dream of many Canucks fans. But Nashville GM David Poile sure couldn’t do anything to pop their collective bubble.
Poile expressed frustration and exasperation with Suter leaving. One media member accurately told him he sounded like he just got hit with a jackhammer.
Obviously, he was crushed, and still in disbelief that Suter had left Tennessee. Poile even suggested Suter had lied, while calling out his agent, Neil Sheehy, who Poile claimed promised him this in November: “[Suter] is not going anywhere else. He’s signing with the Nashville Predators.”
That didn’t work out so well.
So, Suter joins Dan Hamhuis as big-time defencemen the Predators recently lost for essentially nothing. Could Weber, currently an RFA set to become a UFA next summer, be next?
It goes without saying fans from just about every other city in the NHL hope so.
In Vancouver, the burn for Weber is especially acute. He’s the type of player the Canucks have never had, and one who grew up in B.C. and played junior in Kelowna.
He may be considered the missing piece in Vancouver, but he is also the type of player the Predators’ entire organization is built around.
Poile said he’s doing two things next: One, looking for Suter’s replacement and two, doing everything he can to re-sign Weber.
But he did admit that just became a whole lot more difficult.
“Speaking for Shea, he certainly hoped Ryan would re-sign,” Poile said.
“I know if Ryan had re-signed it would have been a lot easier to have Shea make a commitment.
“I have to find out [if he wants to stay] now. I’ve already talked to Shea’s representative about a longer-term contract.
“The process and the timing was, everyone wanted to see what came down on the Suter situation.”
Has he considered trading Weber if he won’t go for a longer-term deal because of Suter leaving?
“You have to let me play out the process,” Poile said. “This has all happened, like 15 minutes ago. I haven’t talked to Shea today or his representatives.
“I have to get on to see if there is an opportunity to replace Suter with another defenceman. You have to allow me the opportunity to talk to Shea and you have to allow Shea and his representatives some time to decide what is the right thing to do moving forward.
“[Weber] is the guy we want to build our team around. He’s at the top of his game. He’s a Norris Trophy finalist. He knows what we think of him and we want him to be in Nashville for years to come.”
If Weber doesn’t want the same, you can understand why he may push for a trade this summer.
With a new CBA being negotiated, there are a lot of unknowns about how free agents will be impacted.
Will it take longer to become a UFA?
Will the league look to close the loophole that permits deals that circumvent the cap, like Roberto Luongo’s or the twin 13-year contracts Parise and Suter just signed?
In other words, now is the time to cash in before those rules change.
Whether the Canucks have the pieces to land Weber is another story.
Sure, they have Alex Edler. But he’s a year away from becoming an unrestricted free agent himself. And just what is Edler going to be worth in this climate?
If Christian Ehrhoff gets $40 million and Suter gets $98 million, it’s not hard to see Edler fall somewhere in the middle.
Whether he’s worth it is a debate for another day.
Of course, any Weber discussion wouldn’t be complete without mention of an offer sheet.
As a restricted free agent, if he were signed to a one-year, predatory offer sheet in the $6,268,175-$7,835,219 range, the compensation would be two first-round picks, a second and third.
Would the Predators match? Probably, but then they couldn’t trade him for a year, and next July they’d be in the exact same situation they just were with Suter.
And can Poile risk getting hit again with another jackhammer?
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 09:10 AM

huh, topic was merged, now my post makes no sense

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