Jump to content

Welcome to canucks.com Vancouver Canucks homepage

Photo
- - - - -

2013 World Junior Ice Hockey Championships


This topic has been archived. This means that you cannot reply to this topic.
2774 replies to this topic

#2761 stexx

stexx

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,293 posts
  • Joined: 19-April 08

Posted 05 January 2013 - 01:28 PM

I hear our goalies ain't that good this year???


you heard wrong, our defensive play was atrocious hard to blame the goaltending all tournament

#2762 Champions of Nothing

Champions of Nothing

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 30,961 posts
  • Joined: 28-August 06

Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:36 PM

Stayed up the whole game, fell asleep just before OT...

Not the best thing to wake up to.

Funniest part, the announcers were all over Ryan Murphy for what a strong game he was having, and granted he was playing much better than previous games. But it was very fitting that he was the one that got blown right by for the the dagger in the heart.

Canada will forever hate Ryan Murphy. Sorry buddy.

Posted ImagePosted Image
Sig by Ranyart. FEEL FREE TO USE EITHER!

VOTE FOR EDLER!

And might as well vote for Daniel, Henrik, Kesler, Luongo and..... I guess Aaron Rome?


#2763 Champions of Nothing

Champions of Nothing

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 30,961 posts
  • Joined: 28-August 06

Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:48 PM

Here's my thoughts on the tourney, and the past few as well.

This team was not a team with a system and a style. They were a bunch of very talented players who were seemingly told "go score, and don't let them score". Canada each and every year has enough talent to adjust the style based on who is available in any given year. This year we didn't have much size and physicality, especially in the top 6. We had decent speed, but not enough to play a run n' gun game like Russia tends to and the Americans did this year. Regardless of what we chose, there was no doubt that the big 4 were gonna anchor the top 6. But what we really needed were a couple speedsters to join them. Drouin seemed like a quick enough skater, but guys like Rattie and Ritchie didn't fit the mold. I don't know much about the other guys that didn't make the cut, so I can't say if there was anyone that fit the mold. If not, then we probably have gone with a more grinding style, and added a couple big strong Zack Kassian/Marcus Foligno type players to throw some big hits on the forecheck and create some room for the other guys.

This team seemed to be stuck in the middle. Some speed, but not enough to match other teams. Some size, but not enough to use the physical side as a tool. This was easily the least physical team Canada I've seen in years. They did not play Canadian hockey. I don't remember a single hit in the entire tournament that made me go "Wow, that's gotta get his teammates going", or even just "wow" in general.

I heard someone else say it, and perhaps they are right. Maybe it's time for a full-time Team Canada coach that signs a contact with Hockey Canada and is THE coach for the U18 Championships, the Ivan Hlinka tourney, the Canada/Russia Challenge, and whatever tournament that is appropriate.

Posted ImagePosted Image
Sig by Ranyart. FEEL FREE TO USE EITHER!

VOTE FOR EDLER!

And might as well vote for Daniel, Henrik, Kesler, Luongo and..... I guess Aaron Rome?


#2764 Rypien37

Rypien37

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,585 posts
  • Joined: 26-March 07

Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:48 PM

I really don't understand the hype of Yakupov. He had 2 goals today, sure, but both were tap in's that even Tanner Glass could score.

He has straight line speed, and can't control it very well. That's it. Atrocious defensively and doesn't know how to use his team mates.

Yes, he has scored over 100 points in JUNIOR HOCKEY....even Byron Ritchie did that....twice.
Posted Image

R.I.P. Your heart and fearlessness will be remembered


#2765 Champions of Nothing

Champions of Nothing

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 30,961 posts
  • Joined: 28-August 06

Posted 05 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

I really don't understand the hype of Yakupov. He had 2 goals today, sure, but both were tap in's that even Tanner Glass could score.

He has straight line speed, and can't control it very well. That's it. Atrocious defensively and doesn't know how to use his team mates.

Yes, he has scored over 100 points in JUNIOR HOCKEY....even Byron Ritchie did that....twice.

You have to admit he looked dangerous whenever he had the puck in this tournament. However what makes him dangerous here, or in Junior, or in the KHL is what is going to make him frustrate coaches and fans aplenty.

He has great speed and hands, but he is thinking all offence all the time. When the puck is in the corner in his D zone, he is hanging out by the blueline for the breakaway pass. He can get away with that now, but in the NHL it will get him benched regularly. I said from the start I would be very surprised if he turns out any better than Alex Semin, both in scoring and in being a team player.

Posted ImagePosted Image
Sig by Ranyart. FEEL FREE TO USE EITHER!

VOTE FOR EDLER!

And might as well vote for Daniel, Henrik, Kesler, Luongo and..... I guess Aaron Rome?


#2766 Rypien37

Rypien37

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,585 posts
  • Joined: 26-March 07

Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:07 PM

You have to admit he looked dangerous whenever he had the puck in this tournament. However what makes him dangerous here, or in Junior, or in the KHL is what is going to make him frustrate coaches and fans aplenty.

He has great speed and hands, but he is thinking all offence all the time. When the puck is in the corner in his D zone, he is hanging out by the blueline for the breakaway pass. He can get away with that now, but in the NHL it will get him benched regularly. I said from the start I would be very surprised if he turns out any better than Alex Semin, both in scoring and in being a team player.


I'd consider it a major success for him if he turns into Semin in terms of scoring. He is a different player then Semin, but I get what you mean.

I am not doubting his talent, but definitely not worthy of a 1st overall pick.
Posted Image

R.I.P. Your heart and fearlessness will be remembered


#2767 Rypien37

Rypien37

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,585 posts
  • Joined: 26-March 07

Posted 05 January 2013 - 04:15 PM

Here's my thoughts on the tourney, and the past few as well.

This team was not a team with a system and a style. They were a bunch of very talented players who were seemingly told "go score, and don't let them score". Canada each and every year has enough talent to adjust the style based on who is available in any given year. This year we didn't have much size and physicality, especially in the top 6. We had decent speed, but not enough to play a run n' gun game like Russia tends to and the Americans did this year. Regardless of what we chose, there was no doubt that the big 4 were gonna anchor the top 6. But what we really needed were a couple speedsters to join them. Drouin seemed like a quick enough skater, but guys like Rattie and Ritchie didn't fit the mold. I don't know much about the other guys that didn't make the cut, so I can't say if there was anyone that fit the mold. If not, then we probably have gone with a more grinding style, and added a couple big strong Zack Kassian/Marcus Foligno type players to throw some big hits on the forecheck and create some room for the other guys.

This team seemed to be stuck in the middle. Some speed, but not enough to match other teams. Some size, but not enough to use the physical side as a tool. This was easily the least physical team Canada I've seen in years. They did not play Canadian hockey. I don't remember a single hit in the entire tournament that made me go "Wow, that's gotta get his teammates going", or even just "wow" in general.

I heard someone else say it, and perhaps they are right. Maybe it's time for a full-time Team Canada coach that signs a contact with Hockey Canada and is THE coach for the U18 Championships, the Ivan Hlinka tourney, the Canada/Russia Challenge, and whatever tournament that is appropriate.


Kind of hard to play our style with the officiating. Every big hit was called a penalty, it got to the point where our guys were simply scared to hit.

Part of the reason why guys like Tom Wilson weren't picked. As much as I don't think we deserved to win, officiating had a major influence on how we played, and the ultimate outcome.

In terms of the "wow" factor, Camara had easily the biggest hit of the tournament in the game vs Slovakia.

Also, Steve Spott and the entire selection process needs to be held accountable.

Favorable picks, bias, and just overall major politics. This isn't what hockey should be about, especially with kids.

We need to find a solidified coach and fix how the selection camp is run.

Edited by Rypien37, 05 January 2013 - 05:01 PM.

Posted Image

R.I.P. Your heart and fearlessness will be remembered


#2768 Champions of Nothing

Champions of Nothing

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 30,961 posts
  • Joined: 28-August 06

Posted 05 January 2013 - 05:49 PM

Kind of hard to play our style with the officiating. Every big hit was called a penalty, it got to the point where our guys were simply scared to hit.

Part of the reason why guys like Tom Wilson weren't picked. As much as I don't think we deserved to win, officiating had a major influence on how we played, and the ultimate outcome.

In terms of the "wow" factor, Camara had easily the biggest hit of the tournament in the game vs Slovakia.

Also, Steve Spott and the entire selection process needs to be held accountable.

Favorable picks, bias, and just overall major politics. This isn't what hockey should be about, especially with kids.

We need to find a solidified coach and fix how the selection camp is run.

This tournament has always been tightly officiated. In the past Canada would take the couple penalties per game due to physical play, kill them, and use it to get the team going. This team took a penalty then got scared to touch anyone for the rest of the tournament. That never stopped them before.

Posted ImagePosted Image
Sig by Ranyart. FEEL FREE TO USE EITHER!

VOTE FOR EDLER!

And might as well vote for Daniel, Henrik, Kesler, Luongo and..... I guess Aaron Rome?


#2769 thad

thad

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,347 posts
  • Joined: 09-February 09

Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:09 PM

Why Ryan Murphy was on the ice in overtime after 10 bad plays in his own zone is frackin beyond me.

He was the worst player I've ever seen put on the maple leaf. I thought I was watching a slumping Bieksa for frack sakes

#2770 thema

thema

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,353 posts
  • Joined: 23-June 12

Posted 05 January 2013 - 06:15 PM

Meh, someone should've just got off the bench and punched some Russians in the face.

Suspension for life? Pfft, national hero.


I for one am getting tired of this kind of whiny mean spirited crap coming out of the mouths of Canadian sports fans lately. I used to think it was a uniquely Vancouver based problem but recent events in different sports have left me feeling ashamed of many of my fellow Canadians. This was a great hockey game, the best one all year in any league IMHO and although the crapola at the end was disappointing it wasn't exactly unexpected to anybody who watched the Canadian players hot dogging like crazy after every goal in the first meeting between these teams. This country's primary problem in this tournament remains their insistence on trying to play a North American, even NHL style game in an international IIHF youth tournament that heavily emphasizes player safety. The ridiculous crucifixion of Subban is understandable here on CDC seeing as he is the property of the hated Boston Bruins which naturally makes him the personification of evil here and the Corrado and Gaunce worship here borders on the surreal (as does the suggestion that their inclusion would have somehow turned the tables for Team Canada). Canada is used to winning at hockey but lately if we don't we turn into a nation of sore losers. But what do I expect from a country whose athlete of the year was lionized and even applauded in her home nation for accusing FIFA of fixing games. I for one heartily applaud my 10th favorite team in this tournament for their well earned Gold medal and the Russians as well for their very well deserved bronze. We played good but not great and I for one am proud of ALL our players. Bring on next year.

#2771 spliced

spliced

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,268 posts
  • Joined: 31-January 03

Posted 06 January 2013 - 01:18 AM

After all was said and done I think Subban provided the best goaltending Canada has had in the last few years. It's interesting how Canada tries to protect goalies so much but other countries seem to be more flexible with their goaltending. Finland swapped goalies midway in that pre-tournament game, Sweden swapped goalies for a shootout and Russia seemingly flipped a coin to determine their starters. It probably doesn't mean much but it's starting to seem odd to laugh at other countries goaltending quirks when lately Canada has been kinda weak at producing top end goalies. The last part isn't about Subban just Canadian Goaltending in general.

I can't believe how bad Hamilton was this year, he was much better last year. It reminds me of Ryan Ellis in 2010. Ellis was so good as a 17 year old in 09 but in 2010 he took a step back and made countless blunders.

It wasn't a great showing for the defence overall but I blame the forwards for some of that. Part of defence against fast, highly skilled forechecking teams is to make them play in their end. You can't expect the defence to be under constant pressure and think that good things will come from that. The Canada-US games reminded me of the LA-Van playoff games where the good guys were too content to just relieve pressure.

Overall it felt like a pretty fair loss. Canada got about what they deserved.

#2772 RUPERTKBD

RUPERTKBD

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 20,015 posts
  • Joined: 23-July 04

Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:31 AM

Favorable picks, bias, and just overall major politics. This isn't what hockey should be about, especially with kids.

We need to find a solidified coach and fix how the selection camp is run.

I hate to seem like a homer, but I think the cutting of Corrado came back to bite Canada. I'm sure that going into the tournament, Spott and his assistants thought they could afford to take a defenseman, purely for his offensive talents.

The problem was, with the suspension of Reinhart, Spott was forced to use Murphy in situations other than power plays. He was a real asset on the point with the man advantage, but playing 5 on 5, he was completely overmatched.

I question the wisdom of using him at all in overtime, but with the limited number of defensemen that Canada had, he may have had little choice. He probably also thought that it was a safe situation, with a faceoff in the offensive zone.
Orland Kurtenbach and Dennis Kearns had just been torched 8-1 by the Habs, but they still took time to come out to meet us, some fellow BC boys who were playing hockey in Montreal. THAT"S what being a Canuck is!

#2773 TOMapleLaughs

TOMapleLaughs

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 34,367 posts
  • Joined: 19-September 05

Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:33 AM

So much for the pseudo-celebrity status of Subban. Luongo did done better.
Posted Image

#2774 Hamhuis2

Hamhuis2

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,882 posts
  • Joined: 07-July 11

Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:28 AM

Who made the tournament All Star team?

Edited by Hamhuis2, 06 January 2013 - 05:30 AM.

Chicago Blackhawks NHL 14 OCDC League 2013/2014

J. Schultz(81)-Toews(92)-Pacioretty(88)....Keith(90)-Phaneuf(87)................Crawford(86)
Burns(87)-Kadri(85)-Yakupov(83)..............Hjalmarson(85)-N. Schultz(84)....Khabby(76)
Clarkson(83)-Zibanejad(80)-Ennis(82).......Koska(78)-Murray(83)
Kobasew(78)-Hanszus(79)-Morin(76)

#2775 canucklax

canucklax

    Canucks First-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6,976 posts
  • Joined: 08-July 09

Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:28 PM

Who made the tournament All Star team?

First team
Gaudreau-RNH-Forsberg
Trouba-McCabe
Gibson

http://www.tsn.ca/Wo...eature/?id=1324

Bring Back the Totems!
 





Canucks.com is the official Web site of The Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks and Canucks.com are trademarks of The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership.  NHL and the word mark and image of the Stanley Cup are registered trademarks and the NHL Shield and NHL Conference logos are trademarks of the National Hockey League. All NHL logos and marks and NHL team logos and marks as well as all other proprietary materials depicted herein are the property of the NHL and the respective NHL teams and may not be reproduced without the prior written consent of NHL Enterprises, L.P.  Copyright © 2009 The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership and the National Hockey League.  All Rights Reserved.