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#1681 oldnews

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:45 PM

I know this is crazy but I actually agree with you on this one, Weiss is a heck of a player but due to circumstances not as valuable as any of those guys.


And Gardiner is worth more than Weiss as well?
Reilly?
Bjugstad?
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:48 PM

I don't think the Florida deal is "bad" Smashian - I don't think it makes sense to either side.

But regarding value, let me give you a comparable.

Jordan Staal has 248 career points in 6 NHL seasons as the Penguins 3rd line C.
He was a pending UFA.
He was traded for Brandon Sutter, Brian DuMoulin and a 1st.
He then re-signed for $6 million a season.

Weiss 237 in the past four (on the offensively challenged Panthers)
Pending UFA.
First line center.
Will re-sign for $3.5? I don't think so Smashian.

edit: ditto King. If the Canucks will need cap space under the reduced 64milion ceiling to re-sign Edler, Higgins, Lapierre, why would I be interested in Weiss in a different deal? What difference does it make whether it's Luongo or Kassian/Jensen?


I never said he would resign for 3.5, I said if he was undercontract at 3.5 - 4 Million for 3 years then maybe he is as valuable as Coburn. But he isn't.

Lol you really think that is a good comparison. Staal who has three 20+ goal seasons including a 25 goal year on the Pens 3rd line, who still had a full year on his deal, is 24, is huge and is better than Weiss is every area expect offense where they are probably even and was a sure thing to re-sign with Carolina if they got him, As apposed to a 29 year old who is a rental player right now, is unlikely to resign with his team.

Your joking right?

And Weiss is almost perfect fit for us, not the ideal situation for Florida for this year but as I stated they probably have enough guys to be alright, and for them you have to consider how much greater of an impact Lu will have and that they have to think long term with their organization, in that the longer they hold onto him the longer his value plummets at a pretty high rate.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:49 PM

And Gardiner is worth more than Weiss as well?
Reilly?
Bjugstad?


Gardiner? Absoluetly.
Reilly? Absoluetly.
Bjugstad? I don't know enough about him to say.

There is a reason none of those players area avaliable to us, and why Weiss might be.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:53 PM

We don't need him to re-sign. We have players at center who can fill the void next year. It's a rental basically because it's cup or bust this year.


I don't like the rental approach - at all. Fast track to closing your own window. Weiss is not the golden ticket to a Stanley Cup. If Kesler doesn't get healthy, or Daniel has recurring symptoms, or whatever contingency could occur, a gamble like that is a bad idea. I agree with Gillis and the Detroit model - keep the product as good as possible over the long run and give yourself a reasonable chance on an ongoing basis. Would much rather stock up some young talent than gamble on a rental that can't be afforded.
People need to look at real, actual deals - the idea that young players just emerging are worth more than proven veterans in their prime just doesn't bear any evidence based upon virtually all the real-life deals that take place.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:57 PM

Gardiner? Absoluetly.
Reilly? Absoluetly.
Bjugstad? I don't know enough about him to say.

There is a reason none of those players area avaliable to us, and why Weiss might be.


You may want to breathe, or even think, before responding...

And what do you actually know about "what is available to us"?

I think you guys are getting nutty here.

60 point playes are NHL top liners.

They aren't worth less than the overhyped prospects.

Edited by oldnews, 12 January 2013 - 08:02 PM.

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#1686 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:00 PM

You may want to breathe, or even think, before responding...

And what do you actually know about "what is available to us"?


Not sure what you are talking about, if your bashing me for not thinking you should think before you post terrible proposals.

Well Nonis saying he wouldn't move young players like Gardiner and Reilly are pretty good indications, and it is well known if you have been following the specualtion closely that Gillis wants Bjugstad and Florida hasn't been willing to part with him.

Not rocket science.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:01 PM

You may want to breathe, or even think, before responding...

And what do you actually know about "what is available to us"?

Its safe to say if those guys were available the last time trades were able to be made that the deal would have been done already
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:02 PM

Didn't Weiss just say he wants to finish his career with the Panthers? He's not coming here. And if he does, he'll be a rental player only. Not worth it.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:03 PM

Has anyone thought about the possibility of Briere+ for Luongo? I know he has injury problems, but could he work on Kesler's wing? I don't think his value is out of reach for Luongo to fetch, but tell me if I'm wrong.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:15 PM

Its safe to say if those guys were available the last time trades were able to be made that the deal would have been done already


It'll be safe to say when a deal is actually done what was available.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

There's also Peter Mueller that we haven't considered. Meets everyone halfway. Still very young and can actually help us now if healthy. Everyone seems to be worried about the 1 year rental thing for whatever reason; whereas, I see it as giving the team more options and money for next season. Regardless, at least Mueller would be an RFA so we'd still maintain his rights.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:19 PM

There's also Peter Mueller that we haven't considered. Meets everyone halfway. Still very young and can actually help us now if healthy. Everyone seems to be worried about the 1 year rental thing for whatever reason; whereas, I see it as giving the team more options and money for next season. Regardless, at least Mueller would be an RFA so we'd still maintain his rights.

If MG wanted Mueller I'm sure he would've signed him in the summer.
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Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:23 PM

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:24 PM

Not sure what you are talking about, if your bashing me for not thinking you should think before you post terrible proposals.

Well Nonis saying he wouldn't move young players like Gardiner and Reilly are pretty good indications, and it is well known if you have been following the specualtion closely that Gillis wants Bjugstad and Florida hasn't been willing to part with him.

Not rocket science.


You might want to let Dean Lombardi know that veteran players don't have the value of these young prospects...
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:29 PM

There's also Peter Mueller that we haven't considered. Meets everyone halfway. Still very young and can actually help us now if healthy. Everyone seems to be worried about the 1 year rental thing for whatever reason; whereas, I see it as giving the team more options and money for next season. Regardless, at least Mueller would be an RFA so we'd still maintain his rights.


He signed with Florida, in the summer.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:30 PM

If MG wanted Mueller I'm sure he would've signed him in the summer.


Maybe Florida offered more? Maybe Mueller wanted to go to Florida instead of Vancouver? You can't just assume everyone wants to come here. Some people don't care about mountains and trees.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:31 PM

He signed with Florida, in the summer.


so was Sturm. He lasted what? 5 games. No one is untouchable.

edit : meant Sturm not Goc

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:31 PM

I have a feeling this is going to end up being a three way deal.

By the way MOU has just been signed, Luongo's gone by midnight? :bigblush:
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:32 PM

Maybe so, but put 2012 - 2013 Schneider on the 06/07 Canucks roster, and he comes NOWHERE CLOSE to the 49 wins Luongo got with that abomination of a team


That really means absolutely nothing at all.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:38 PM

Has anyone thought about the possibility of Briere+ for Luongo? I know he has injury problems, but could he work on Kesler's wing? I don't think his value is out of reach for Luongo to fetch, but tell me if I'm wrong.


i was thinking that a few days ago

briere for luongo straight up, philly absorbs cap hit/salary equalling the difference between briere's and luongos cap hits.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:43 PM

i was thinking that a few days ago

briere for luongo straight up, philly absorbs cap hit/salary equalling the difference between briere's and luongos cap hits.


Briere is money in the playoffs too. If he is healthy. Not to up to date on his latest health.

Doesn't help our size issue though.

Edited by Dogbyte, 12 January 2013 - 08:45 PM.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:43 PM

Gardiner? Absoluetly.
Reilly? Absoluetly.
Bjugstad? I don't know enough about him to say.

There is a reason none of those players area avaliable to us, and why Weiss might be.


Saw Bjunstad play on tv for u of minnesota. Kid is a monster
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:29 PM

Hey guys just had a glimpse at the new schedule and Imo it might be a good idea to hang on to both goalies for this shortened season. We have games like almost every other day! Unless we get a solid backup goaltender in a Luongo deal we should keep both guys.. Schneider is gonna get burned out if he is expected 2 play most of those games in such a condensed period just saying..

Edited by JohnLennon, 12 January 2013 - 09:29 PM.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

Has anyone thought about the possibility of Briere+ for Luongo? I know he has injury problems, but could he work on Kesler's wing? I don't think his value is out of reach for Luongo to fetch, but tell me if I'm wrong.


I hope Gillis doesn't go for this approach.

Yeah, IF Briere stays healthy, he MIGHT make a difference in one playoff run. But the Canucks are rated 29th in prospects, and barring trading partners giving us a very high 1st round pick in next season's draft (highly unlikely), we're not getting anything else highly rated for a while with a playoff-bound team for another 4 years at least, either. And THEN, a possible high pick in 2017, or a surprise development, would still have to improve in the bigs over several more years, at that point.

The pending Lu trade is our best opportunity to get a quality young player or players. I'd prefer a third-line competent NHL centre like Bozak, plus a talented youngster, but I doubt TO wants to part with Gardiner, and there's not much else on that team's prospects I'd want. (I'm not a fan of Kadri.)
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:35 PM

Canucks 101, you see this? This is a proposal.

I quite like this trade, and it's not too far fetched.


I see it yes. And I will be pleased to see Luongo play his heart out for Vancouver and win a Cup this year. Schneider might have some serious competition in net.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:40 PM

Briere is money in the playoffs too. If he is healthy. Not to up to date on his latest health.

Doesn't help our size issue though.


Briere steps it up big time when the games really matter, one of those guys with an extra gear, something our team lacks in my opinion.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:40 PM

Briere is money in the playoffs too. If he is healthy. Not to up to date on his latest health.

Doesn't help our size issue though.

Sedin Sedin Kassian
Booth Kesler Briere
Hansen Schroeder Burrows
Higgins Malholtra Lapierre
Raymond, Ebbett

PP1: Sedin Sedin Kesler Edler Garrison
PP2 Hansen Briere Burrows Bieksa Hamhuis

He could also play center while Kesler is gone, then move to the wing.

Sedin Sedin Kassian
Booth Briere Higgins
Hansen Schroeder Burrows
Raymond Malholtra Lapierre
Weise, Ebbett

Kassian takes Kesler's net front on the 1st PP.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:43 PM

I see it yes. And I will be pleased to see Luongo play his heart out for Vancouver and win a Cup this year. Schneider might have some serious competition in net.

Hes gone in 10 days !! my prediction....and we're throwing you in for a bag of pucks !
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:45 PM

I see it yes. And I will be pleased to see Luongo play his heart out for Vancouver and win a Cup this year. Schneider might have some serious competition in net.

I am actually hoping that we keep him for the shortened season at least until the deadline. I doubt it happens though. Everyone's expecting the deal to happen soon once they can start talking officially.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 09:47 PM

Considering it will be a more condensed schedule, it would be a pretty nice luxury to have two stellar tenders to keep each other fresh as well as pushing each other to stay on top of their game.
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