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lol typical COACH AV not giving a chance to young talent


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#1 yete

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:28 PM

well i would not say im shocked at all actually


heres the list

1. grabner 2 shirokov 3.hodgson and 4 schroeder

Does AV have something against young talent lol


honestly look at coaches like john tortella actually gives the rangers prospects pool a chance (krieder)


look at ottawa how they developed karlson the list goes on go 2 any team in the league they give chances to there young players..,

Even with injury the canucks management believes on not giving a chance to young talent hahaha this team........


I dont get it why dont the canucks ever give there young players a chance without judging them or screwing up the confidence of the player

Sedins are only getting older and the rest of the core .....I will say one thing however if the canucks choke in the playoffs this year like many of the experts are predicting AV BETTER LEAVE!

im sick of coach av and how he treats the young prospects .................

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:32 PM

omg I know right?

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

I have never, ever heard this argument before. And I have never, ever heard a counter argument to dispute it. Oh wait, I have.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

Fail THERE IS A TWENTY THREE ROSTER LIMIT Schroeder WOULD be able to SEND down Without clearing waivers......and Yete and his horrible threads..........no ban yet? Anyone esle would be pick up

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:34 PM

Now I believe that Hodgson's dad was actually right. Keeping Hodgson here would have done him no good.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:37 PM

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There's already a thread on this. Step your game up Yete.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:37 PM



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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:42 PM

Yete is losing his touch I think... Damn shame...

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:44 PM

So you're saying that Schroeder is up there with Karlsson and Kreider? C'mon dude.

Instead of AV, you might want to direct your anger towards our scouts and gm for poor drafting. I don't think AV was doing any fist pumps when we drafted the 5'8" 170 lb Schroeder. Shirokov was always a project. Grabner had a good year but is still a one dimensional player whose longterm success is yet to be determined. And MG's first draft pick ever, Hodgson, needed to improve his game plus missed alot of time with serious injury issues. So what would you expect AV to do with him?

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:46 PM

Lol Yete's slowin' down. Needs to be put on LTIR.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

im sick of coach av and how he treats the young prospects .................


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:50 PM

Hi, Cody Hodgson's dad.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:51 PM

Haha, comparing Karlson to any of our picks is insane...
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:55 PM

Lol typical CDC troll not giving AV a chance at coaching

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 06:56 PM

im sick of coach av and how he treats the young prospects .................


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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:03 PM

I actually agree there is something about young players with skill that ticks him off. Kassian may be ok because he is more of a beringer type player. I am a little worried if we can't develop or future.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:07 PM

the young players have to actually play good enough in the pre-season (or what there is this year) to take a spot away from someone else.

why should they get a spot handed to them? that is how crapty franchises do it (like nonis in TO). Seriously... if they can't beat out an existing player, then why should we suck just because we give them a chance?

the rejoinder is that some players need a chance to play in the NHL. Kesler and Burrows first made it in 3rd line roles. That is AV's style. If the player can't make the team in a 3rd or 4th line role, they will never make the top 2. I don't mind this idea... Now if the GM is drafting smallish players that can never play on the 3rd or 4th line... well they won't make it anyways.

Put it this way: Parise (a smaller player) would have made the 3rd lined on the Canucks when he first came into the league. Schraeder is not that good, not even half as good probably.

Guess what? We haver not had a top 10 pick in ages... it's a total crapshoot. I like the recent drafting strategy, seems like MG has learned. His first few years he was drafting like Nonis - size doesn't matter, just give me skill. Now he is taking the larger players who have skill. So we wasted the first few years of MG drafting, but at least he is doing a better job now? anyone for craps?

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:09 PM

You know why Karlsson and Kreider get to play? Because they're actually good.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:13 PM

The NHL is the best league in the world and is not a development league.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:16 PM

This thread should instead be titled: "I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes because I'm not a coach, or any part of the organization for that matter, and am on the outside looking in, but what I think doesn't make sense in my head so I'm going to voice it here on CDC because I DON'T THINK it has been discussed before so here it goes: why is AV so meeeeaaaannn?!!!"

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:21 PM

Damn so you mean kassian is an oldman?

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:22 PM

Ebbett is the logical choice over shroeder, ebbett was solid last year, when he wasn't injured

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:27 PM

It's just yete, people. Move along there's nothing to see here.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:27 PM


“If Jordan Schroeder doesn't start with us, we fully anticipate him playing meaningful games for us very shortly,” Gillis said.

According to Vigneault, Gillis and his assistants, Lorne Henning and Laurence Gilman, examined “all the dynamics” when making their roster moves.

“There is not just the on-ice component that's going to go into the decision,” Vigneault said. “There are (salary) cap dynamics.”

Read more: http://www.vancouver...l#ixzz2INtVMUYq

As you can see from MG's Sun quote, the decision was not AVs alone...it was made in consultation with the entire management team and it was as much to do with waiver and cap issues than anything else.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:30 PM

I've always said this about AV. Lasty year the Flyers had Couturier and Schenn shutting down Malkin and Crosby in the playoffs as rookies. And they did an awsome job at it and were key players and they ended up eliminating the Penguins.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

Oh yete yete yete how foolish thou art!!!!!

So in you suggestion to give the talent a chance. Who in all you limited do wisdom do you suggest we waive (and lose). Just so we can give an unproven rookie the shot that you think they deserve?

I for one am glad coho is gone. Yes I will miss his talent there is no denying he had it. But what I won't miss is the first year rookie demanding more ice time.. And finally asking for a trade...

You seem to be forgetting we are a Stanley Cup contending team we are not the oilers who dont have any talent
so they have to play there draft picks....

So when you grow a brain and realize there was one maybe 2 spot available. And the one that shows the best in camp and in ahl is GETTING A CHANCE...

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:36 PM

I just can't take a thread seriously when the first word in the title is "lol"

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:41 PM

the young players have to actually play good enough in the pre-season (or what there is this year) to take a spot away from someone else.

why should they get a spot handed to them? that is how crapty franchises do it (like nonis in TO). Seriously... if they can't beat out an existing player, then why should we suck just because we give them a chance?

the rejoinder is that some players need a chance to play in the NHL. Kesler and Burrows first made it in 3rd line roles. That is AV's style. If the player can't make the team in a 3rd or 4th line role, they will never make the top 2. I don't mind this idea... Now if the GM is drafting smallish players that can never play on the 3rd or 4th line... well they won't make it anyways.

Put it this way: Parise (a smaller player) would have made the 3rd lined on the Canucks when he first came into the league. Schraeder is not that good, not even half as good probably.

Guess what? We haver not had a top 10 pick in ages... it's a total crapshoot. I like the recent drafting strategy, seems like MG has learned. His first few years he was drafting like Nonis - size doesn't matter, just give me skill. Now he is taking the larger players who have skill. So we wasted the first few years of MG drafting, but at least he is doing a better job now? anyone for craps?


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A number of comments on the OP

1. Roster mgmt as some had said may have been the cause

2. Others have mentioned it may be a cap issue? Put Kes and Booth in LTIR tmw and 'bring him back up' when he was never sent to Chi to begin with. Not sure how plausible that is?

3. Between Ebbett and Him, they bring the same game. BUT given the need to win NOW and not fall behind in the standings AV had to set aside 'development' because of the shortened season and injuries. If you can imagine, if its 82 games and Schroeds messes up here and there, and maybe costs us a few games, its not noticed and seen as learning. In a short season, a few games can be the difference between playoffs or not. So if that was his reason, while I don't like it, I get why he went with the guy with more experience.

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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:47 PM

So you're saying that Schroeder is up there with Karlsson and Kreider? C'mon dude.

Instead of AV, you might want to direct your anger towards our scouts and gm for poor drafting. I don't think AV was doing any fist pumps when we drafted the 5'8" 170 lb Schroeder. Shirokov was always a project. Grabner had a good year but is still a one dimensional player whose longterm success is yet to be determined. And MG's first draft pick ever, Hodgson, needed to improve his game plus missed alot of time with serious injury issues. So what would you expect AV to do with him?


Keep in mind the kid was the leading scorer and best player in the World Junior Tournament winning Gold in 2010.

He set up two of Raymond's goals last night.



We need to score goals, I like Ebbett but he isn't going to give us the offense we need. Schroeder should.
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Posted 18 January 2013 - 07:56 PM

well i would not say im shocked at all actually


heres the list

1. grabner 2 shirokov 3.hodgson and 4 schroeder

Does AV have something against young talent lol


honestly look at coaches like john tortella actually gives the rangers prospects pool a chance (krieder)


look at ottawa how they developed karlson the list goes on go 2 any team in the league they give chances to there young players..,

Even with injury the canucks management believes on not giving a chance to young talent hahaha this team........


I dont get it why dont the canucks ever give there young players a chance without judging them or screwing up the confidence of the player

Sedins are only getting older and the rest of the core .....I will say one thing however if the canucks choke in the playoffs this year like many of the experts are predicting AV BETTER LEAVE!

im sick of coach av and how he treats the young prospects .................


So you're saying by icing a few rookie players we woud win a cup?

I HATE YOU AVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Yete you've made it pretty clear that you come to CDC and post with intention to antagonizing, I'm not sure why you are even allowed to post TBO.

You should also learn the difference between their, there and they're

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