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Poll: Where do we draw the line? (116 member(s) have cast votes)

Where is YOUR breaking point with AV? When do we fire him?

  1. Never (for the forseable future) (15 votes [12.93%])

    Percentage of vote: 12.93%

  2. Early Playoff Exit (13 votes [11.21%])

    Percentage of vote: 11.21%

  3. Play-off manhandling (we've all seen it) (6 votes [5.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.17%

  4. No Cup, No AV (4 votes [3.45%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.45%

  5. Miss the Playoffs (29 votes [25.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  6. Below .500 Half way through the season (6 votes [5.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.17%

  7. Below .500 15-ish games through the season (8 votes [6.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.90%

  8. Now (8 votes [6.90%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.90%

  9. A long time ago (27 votes [23.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.28%

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#61 afan

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:07 AM

I always say fire the coward coach AV. 6 games in and this team had already blown THREE gmes with 2 goal leads. It's just a joke the Canucks had only 3 shots on goal in the third period to protect a one goal lead. AV's system of PLAYING DUMP IN AT CENTER ICE TO GVE AWAY THE PUCK FOR A QUICK CHANGE had been killing the Canucks for many years now. AV is just an idiot to instruct his team to fight hard for the puck in their own zone, only to give it away at center ice to start defending again. The opposition knows too well the Canucks are not going to make plays, shoot and go for the next goal and they can go all out for offense. Fire AV to rescue the season!
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:08 AM

Coaching staff have tried it all. We tried playing run-and-gun with the Sharks and Ducks, ended up going 1-2-0 and getting embarassed. We tried playing a close, tight checking defensive game against LA and blow a 2 goal lead.

We probably should of reversed those roles. Play good defensive games against the Sharks and Ducks, and open it up against a not-so-offensive Kings team.

Nevertheless I'd be happy if the Canucks are playing .500 hockey by the end of the first quarter of the season, then go on a typical late-season tear.



Coaching staff haven't tried anything but all the different flavors of trident. Next, Hubba Bubba.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:44 AM

Have never liked AV. Would love to see a coaching change. I would love to see how Linden would do as a coach. :towel:
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:46 AM

Dude, I'd rather see the players coach the team themselves than have AV do it...

Edited by Joe_Shmo, 29 January 2013 - 02:46 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:50 AM

I've been on the fence with AV for years, I like him, then i hate him, then i forgive him, and dadadadadada

but a change is needed, just read this thread, or the numerous other fire AV threads. Its not even the same people posting, there is a definitive number of canucks fans that dont like this guy...

and coaching changes are proven to get success, look at davis payne being fired and replaced by hitchcock in st louis? obviously the kings last year and the pens in 09,.. this team is close..

it would be a shame to see this window slammed shut by a predictable coach..
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 02:54 AM

AV is a regular season coach. In a 7-game series, any other coach will tear him apart limb from limb. It's happened time and time again.

The AV lovers, far and few between, can pile on BS excuse on top of accolade of regular season success upon more excuses all the live long day.... Meanwhile, heaps and hordes of people will continue to see his flaws and fan the flames.

All the while, AV will do nothing but chew his gum until his guts rot from aspartame.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:10 AM

Now with poll.

We've all heard both side of this story hundreds of thousands of time on these boards, but if you feel the need to voice your reasoning, PLEASE DO!

My intention here is to figure out exactly how much patience people here actually have for the current coaching staff.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:27 AM

I think he's a great guy but these past three seasons we've seen the same problem again and again, and every off season, we see guys come and some go, but yet the same problems exist.

I think at this point, we''re wasting the team we have on trying to do the same thing. I would like to see a new head coach and maybe keep av as assistant coach.

Wish we could trade coaches like we trade players, but obviously that's not realistic haha

PS. I voted a long time ago because none of the other ones fit what i feel thanks
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:28 AM

People always get up and arms every season when we have a slow start and this year shouldn't be any different. If it is then AV has to go, maybe not because he's doing something bad but because the team would need a change behind the bench in order to fire them up. I would say if we missed the playoffs it would be his time to go.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:29 AM

If you feel there is an entirely viable option that I overlooked, feel free to post. Otherwise, thanks for the input.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:34 AM

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Ballard: Coach, our Defensive system sucks. The Stars have a stud on D. What do we do?

AV: Don't tell me what to do Ballsy. I already got a Cup ring, you guys don't! You want less ice-time?

Meanwhile...

Schroeder: Hey Coach, this guy Rome said he wanted to go and break back or something like that.

AV: OH, REALLY!?! He must be the stud Ballard was talking about. Schroeder, give me your skates, you can be coach today. It's not hard, you don't even need to say anything. Plus you can have my gum it helps in that regard. Let me go have a word with this Aaron fellow you were talking about.

Schroeder: Aaron who...?

Malhotra: Probably making up for missing the pride parade.

Raymond: Hey Shredder, don't worry, the coach likes you. He likes me too. ; )
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:38 AM

If you feel there is an entirely viable option that I overlooked, feel free to post. Otherwise, thanks for the input.


I think i had a problem voting was because my breaking point was a few seasons ago, but for the second part of the question regarding when we fire him, i'm leaning towards .500 halfway through the season

Other than that, i think your options pretty mucher covers everything =]

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 03:56 AM

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:00 AM

I think i had a problem voting was because my breaking point was a few seasons ago, but for the second part of the question regarding when we fire him, i'm leaning towards .500 halfway through the season

Other than that, i think your options pretty mucher covers everything =]



HAHA exactly my thoughts... well, I'd be happy if he was gone now, honestly, but if we're below .500, canning him might come soon enough to make a comeback a la the Kings. If Gillis is serious about winning the cup, he should have long ago acknowledged AV's shortcomings. AV can take a mediocre team to the Play-offs (remember before, when Kesler was a "3rd liner", and the Sedins were still sisters? Yea, THAT team made the play-offs.)

I don't care if the Bluejackets want him so THEY can make the play-offs. I'm entirely sick of watching AV sit back and watch as his system is torn to shreds by FAR FAR FAR superior coaches.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 04:39 AM

I blame MG much more than AV.

He has year on year failed to give this team a big gutsy GAME CHANGER and a big BALL CRUSHING D. He acts like the other teams all stand still waiting for the Canucks to win Game 7.

Get AV these 2 players and he'll win us the cup. And quite honestly, our need is so bad there is only the Sedins I WOULDN'T be prepared to trade to get them.

No coach would win the SC with that team imo. It is a miracle we reached GAME 7..........and in fact the SC Finals team was arguably much better, certainly in playing terms, than the team we have now.

We need to face it MG did not give the team the injection of the type of player it needed. He could learn a big lesson from Sir Alex Ferguson..............who stays on top by constantly upgrading and injecting quality in to successful teams.

He doesn't go in for projects or mediocrity he respects the team too much for that. I really think it is MG's coat that is on a "shoogly peg".............he doesn't seem to have the ultimate balls to be a GM.

Edited by Bodee, 29 January 2013 - 04:57 AM.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:09 AM

Guys AV is fine. He is not the problem. But coaching is.

Rick Bowness and Newel Brown need to be fired. Our special teams are some of the worst in the league after being the best a year or two ago, and personel has hardly changed over that time. Fire the special teams coach, get a new one in and implement some new strategies because we have arguably the best pieces to work with on the PP in the entire league. As a 5 man unit there are no teams better and more versatile, not even Pittsburgh. We have 2 big shots and passers on the blueline, the best passers in the world in the twins and one of the biggest bodies in front of the net in Kassian. There's no excuse there for the PP to be so bad.

As for our defence coach, he's found a way to turn what should be one of the top-5 if not higher defensive cores on paper into one of the worst, giving up far too many goals. Team defence is struggling big time right now, but it starts with our defencemen making bad pinches, poor reads and terrible passes. This isn't just execution, it's positioning and our entire defensive system that needs a change.

Either get the respective coaches to change their systems completely or fire the assistant coaches.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:10 AM

I voted a long time ago for many reasons, but befire i begin id just like to start out saying that this isnt just AVs fault, its MG mostly.. But i suppose ill save that rang for another day.

Anyways AV has been an awful coach, his coaching strategies, his constant unnecessary benching of great players, and also his over play of players who arent doing so well !

AV has got to go and im not juat saying this because we lost in 11, im saying this because he is a quite behind the bench coach who barley talks.

But again most of this is MG. so i might just be taking my rage out on AV.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:15 AM

Tired at 7 games in? Yikes.

If they're tired already, they're going to have a tough time winning the cup.

Tonight came down to strategy. It's pretty obvious. The more you sit back and let the other team enter your zone, the more chances they have to tie it up. That's just a given. Thinking you're safe with a 1 goal lead in the NHL is probably the dumbest thing you can do.


And how do you know that was intentional. You can watch sport all over and see the same thing and the coach is on the sidelines tearing his hair out.

Face it DN we have a lightweight team that night after night are facing bigger guys. Don't you think it can wear you down? Bieksa is one of our toughest guys but at 198lbs and 6'-1 he is dwarfed by some of these teams.

Currently and without Kesler and Booth, we are unable to maintain the physicality or the intensity required. On another thread I have blamed MG for not spotting this 2 years ago and doing something about it.

Sure he is picking bigger prospects now but these guys are 3-4 years down the line. This team needs an injection of muscle NOW. Kassian is doing his best but he's a kid and it is totally unfair to put it all on him.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:23 AM

Yea because the coach is the one gettign tired and dumping the puck

Herp a derp da derp

the coaches job.is to telltale player what they have to do to win. the players job is to follow the coaches gameplan. I really.don't think the players got that "ride this one goal lead" all.on their own.








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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:30 AM

I blame MG much more than AV.

He has year on year failed to give this team a big gutsy GAME CHANGER and a big BALL CRUSHING D. He acts like the other teams all stand still waiting for the Canucks to win Game 7.

Get AV these 2 players and he'll win us the cup. And quite honestly, our need is so bad there is only the Sedins I WOULDN'T be prepared to trade to get them.

No coach would win the SC with that team imo. It is a miracle we reached GAME 7..........and in fact the SC Finals team was arguably much better, certainly in playing terms, than the team we have now.

We need to face it MG did not give the team the injection of the type of player it needed. He could learn a big lesson from Sir Alex Ferguson..............who stays on top by constantly upgrading and injecting quality in to successful teams.

He doesn't go in for projects or mediocrity he respects the team too much for that. I really think it is MG's coat that is on a "shoogly peg".............he doesn't seem to have the ultimate balls to be a GM.


How so? Our team had the best goals for and the best goals against, the best powerplay, and I believe the 2nd best PK. We won the Presedent's Trophy and the Western Conerance by healthy margins, and won our division by a landslide. Many analysts had Van picked as cup favourites and, aside from our hichup against Chicago, we were excellent in the playoffs through the conferance finals. Why is it a miracle that the team made the SCF?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 05:35 AM

Does anyone else think it's a bad idea that he's flip flopping the goaltenders as much as he is early on?

Shouldn't Schneider be granted a few starts in a row to see what he can do and boost his confidence?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:28 AM

Does anyone else think it's a bad idea that he's flip flopping the goaltenders as much as he is early on?

Shouldn't Schneider be granted a few starts in a row to see what he can do and boost his confidence?

seeing that us nyr and the blues are the only teams with 2 capable tenders I.don't see the problem. we are trying to raise the value of lu as well. plus he's only started in.back to back games so why not right.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:29 AM

What bothers me is quit using edler in shoot outs he sucks at them
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:30 AM

What bothers me is quit using edler in shoot outs he sucks at them
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 06:30 AM

How so? Our team had the best goals for and the best goals against, the best powerplay, and I believe the 2nd best PK. We won the Presedent's Trophy and the Western Conerance by healthy margins, and won our division by a landslide. Many analysts had Van picked as cup favourites and, aside from our hichup against Chicago, we were excellent in the playoffs through the conferance finals. Why is it a miracle that the team made the SCF?

ya.and in the Boston series I thought the team was.lights out in our home games excluding game 7.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:14 AM

Ive never understood why this team seemingly refuses to counterattack when trying to protect a lead.

As the game progresses, the team that is trailing is forced to take more risks. Obviously, the team with the lead will have more opportunites for odd man rushes. They can put the game away if they capitalize.

I dont see this happening for the Canucks, who seem to get 3 about shots per period in this situation. Its an ugly, ghastly turtling strategy. Its bound to fail when the opposing teams realize there are no cosequences to their risk taking.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:18 AM

If our boys were tired why did Schroeder only have two shifts in the third period?
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:19 AM

I like AV well enough as he has been a fantastic coach over the years. However, as others have said, something has to give. The turtle mode we go into when we have a 2 goal lead rarely works out, yet it is never changed. The PP is awful as teams know what we are doing. The inability to adjust in game to changing mechanics within a game is frustrating. The inability to enact any kind of push back when we lose momentum.

What gets me the worst out of that is momentum. We are great at getting a lead, having all the momentum going into an intermission. We then follow that up with turtle mode out of the intermission. Lose momentum, lose lead, lose game. It is very frustrating.

For all intensive purposes however, i freakin love this team
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:26 AM

Tired after 6 games?

After that offseason? Don't talk rubbish.
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Posted 29 January 2013 - 07:45 AM

Oh No! The sky is falling...
With 2/3rds of the 2nd forward line injured, we are only tied for 1st in the Northwest with 42 games left.

I'm with you, I am also a little disappointent with the slow start but I've been a fan since '73 and I'd hate to break it to you but this is not the first year we've had a slow start. Actually, I can't honestly remember a recent year with a fast start.

It will all fall into place, hopefully sooner than later. As long as we can tread water (collect points) until we get our Sh!& together, we'll be fine.

As far as AV goes... Weren't we going to nominate him for Prime Minister back in '11 as we were going into the Finals? (28 other coaches didn't get that far). 2 President Trophies (back to back).

IMHO, the boys should not blow their wads in the regular season gunning for the President's Trophy, they should attempt to leave some gas in the tank for a playoff run.
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