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#31 Ossi Vaananen

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:23 AM

I personally think there is 0 potential for a trade to San Jose. First off Nieme has played great and they're Western Conference contenders.

And if you make a list with teams like San Jose and Edmonton.... I don't know how you could leave the Islanders and New Jersey out.


Safe bet: Luongo wouldn't waive his NTC to go to NYI. I put it in the disclaimer, that the requirements for a trade being a team that requires goaltending, the return being decent, Luongo willing to waive his NTC to go there, and the cap/contract hit being workable. With the Islanders you are not only trading a massive contract to a team that can barely afford it, they also have Dipietro on contract for another 10+ years. Even if they were to buyout Dipietro, why would they replace his contract with an equally huge one?

I also left out NJ, as Brodeur signed a 2 year extension, not one - meaning that he will be the starter there till he theoretically retires at 40, at which time Luongo would be 35 and hardly an upgrade.

As mentioned earlier, I left out Philly because Bryz is playing great right now, and his contract is massive, especially for a buyout. I also left out Philly because I wanted to facilitate discussion as to who you think could be a potential acquisition from them; make a short list and you will find it's more difficult than a 2 line response to a 1,600 word post.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:37 AM

Okay so aside from Orlov (Who IMO could really help us, brings some of the qualities we lost with Ehrhoff going)

What else could we ask from Washington? We won't get a top guy (E.I Kuznetsov, Forsberg, Wilson) But we could ask for secondary prospects.

Personally though I would want a 1st, as Washington doesn't seem to be afraid to trade 1st's, and since Washington got 2 highly sought after prospects in last years 1st round,. maybe they could see it as expendable for the right deal.

Then are we going to want Nuevirth in the deal? Or should we look elsewhere, and is Matt Perreault a consideration as a good depth guy (better than what we currently have) since he wants to go and has been a healthy scratch for them quite alot.

Any feedback?
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:56 AM

Okay so aside from Orlov (Who IMO could really help us, brings some of the qualities we lost with Ehrhoff going)

What else could we ask from Washington? We won't get a top guy (E.I Kuznetsov, Forsberg, Wilson) But we could ask for secondary prospects.

Personally though I would want a 1st, as Washington doesn't seem to be afraid to trade 1st's, and since Washington got 2 highly sought after prospects in last years 1st round,. maybe they could see it as expendable for the right deal.

Then are we going to want Nuevirth in the deal? Or should we look elsewhere, and is Matt Perreault a consideration as a good depth guy (better than what we currently have) since he wants to go and has been a healthy scratch for them quite alot.

Any feedback?


I did some digging into Washington's prospect pool and it's pretty bare, for example in 2011 WSH only had a 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round pick. They also seem willing to move prospects like Cody Eakin, and bury mid rounders in Hershey.

I think due to their recent struggles, and the utter mess that organization is, they could use some stability in net with Luongo. I think as a centrepiece we could snag Tom Wilson, and possibly a pick (2nd or 3rd round), as you mentioned Perreault could be a throw in.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:56 AM

I was about to add NYI, and many others have too. But I think it would be ideal to make the big trade in the summer.

We actually should move Luongo (or Schneider if it comes to that) for prospects and a power forward.

If Keith Ballard keeps playing like he has, and adds a few points to his record, he could be a part of a package to Long Island. They aren't very strong on defense, and Ballard has a history of being good back in the day. He would bring tons of experience and a calm and steady influence to the backend.

Something like Luongo and Ballard for Kyle Okposo, Griffin Reinhart and a high pick?
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:01 AM

I was about to add NYI, and many others have too. But I think it would be ideal to make the big trade in the summer.

We actually should move Luongo (or Schneider if it comes to that) for prospects and a power forward.

If Keith Ballard keeps playing like he has, and adds a few points to his record, he could be a part of a package to Long Island. They aren't very strong on defense, and Ballard has a history of being good back in the day. He would bring tons of experience and a calm and steady influence to the backend.

Something like Luongo and Ballard for Kyle Okposo, Griffin Reinhart and a high pick?


I'm sorry, but you need to sell me on why NYI would be a viable trading partner. From the Canuck's perspective I can't see Luongo willing to go there, and from the Islanders perspective I can't see how that organization can afford his contract, or for that matter buyout Dipietro.

Just to further my point, here is Dipietro's buyout - It's 16 years with a 1.5m cap hit each year : http://www.capgeek.c...=06&buyout_d=15
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:04 AM

I did some digging into Washington's prospect pool and it's pretty bare, for example in 2011 WSH only had a 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th round pick. They also seem willing to move prospects like Cody Eakin, and bury mid rounders in Hershey.

I think due to their recent struggles, and the utter mess that organization is, they could use some stability in net with Luongo. I think as a centrepiece we could snag Tom Wilson, and possibly a pick (2nd or 3rd round), as you mentioned Perreault could be a throw in.


I know, there prospect cupboard (aside from the big 3) does seem bare. The only guy that interests me is Galiev, and he is very risky, very much a boom/bust type of prospect.

I don't know though, I mean watching Orlov play, he is just incredibly talented. I don't know if you saw my post in the Luongo trade thread but I posted some videos and man he is something. He has an accurate shot, has great hands, loves to jump into the rush, he likes to hip check, he is a good body checker. He is a very dangerous offensive threat. He could add alot to our PP.

Wilson is someone last year that personally I didn't get all the hype surrounding him, I didn't see the offensive skills as up until this year he stats are very unimpressive. He is proving me wrong, but I don't hold out hope he will be like Zack. I don't think he has the offensive skill that Kassian does, I think he is a Chris Neil type, that's not bad but not what you initially would expect from him. And I would want something more for Luongo.

Personally I would rather Orlov myself, but either is good. (If they are willing to part with Wilson)

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:13 AM

I'm sorry, but you need to sell me on why NYI would be a viable trading partner. From the Canuck's perspective I can't see Luongo willing to go there, and from the Islanders perspective I can't see how that organization can afford his contract, or for that matter buyout Dipietro.

Just to further my point, here is Dipietro's buyout - It's 16 years with a 1.5m cap hit each year : http://www.capgeek.c...=06&buyout_d=15


You're probably right on the fact it wouldn't be a walk in the park, but I doubt DiPietro and his contract will stand in the way of the Islanders improving their team and challenging for the cup within the next 5-10 years, or 16 for that matter. If it costs them an extra 1.5M, then it will. All this is of course far fetched, but as pointed out earlier, the isles have made surprising moves in the past. And I think DiPietro will be bought out, regardless of a big trade with anyone taking place. Correct the mistakes made and minimize the damage would be my way to move out of the hole they dug themselves. They have a lot of upside there, kinda like Edmonton has now. Just not that much.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:24 AM

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Filip Forsberg (LW/C) – The top ranked European prospect at last year’s draft went 11th overall. He’s playing against men and partial NHLers in the SEL this season, where he has put up 28 points (13 G, 15 A) in 30 games.


Filip Forsberg actually plays in Allsvenskan, not the SEL. But, great post otherwise.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:43 AM

You're probably right on the fact it wouldn't be a walk in the park, but I doubt DiPietro and his contract will stand in the way of the Islanders improving their team and challenging for the cup within the next 5-10 years, or 16 for that matter. If it costs them an extra 1.5M, then it will. All this is of course far fetched, but as pointed out earlier, the isles have made surprising moves in the past. And I think DiPietro will be bought out, regardless of a big trade with anyone taking place. Correct the mistakes made and minimize the damage would be my way to move out of the hole they dug themselves. They have a lot of upside there, kinda like Edmonton has now. Just not that much.


NYI is in no position to contend for a cup, trading future assets that will one day be far more valuable to them doesn't make any sense, as they are in no position to do that and add a star veteran.

As we have seen with Yashin and Kessel, it can be a major mistake for a franchise.

That's of course putting Dipietro aside, which is ultimately the biggest road block.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:52 AM

NYI is in no position to contend for a cup, trading future assets that will one day be far more valuable to them doesn't make any sense, as they are in no position to do that and add a star veteran.

As we have seen with Yashin and Kessel, it can be a major mistake for a franchise.

That's of course putting Dipietro aside, which is ultimately the biggest road block.


True, not now. But 5-10 years is a long time? 5-6 years from now, Luongo would sill be there, no? Still, DiPietro is the biggest obstacle they have to overcome. Start it up from there and move on from there.

I remember back in the day, somewhere around 1997... maybe '98 or so, laughing (lmao to be precise, as it was a new word to me at the time) so hard when I read an article about the Tampa Bay Lightning expecting to contend for the cup at and around 2002-2004. The thought seemed so farfetched at the time. Tampa was so deep down at the bottom of the pack. Times change.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:03 AM

True, not now. But 5-10 years is a long time? 5-6 years from now, Luongo would sill be there, no? Still, DiPietro is the biggest obstacle they have to overcome. Start it up from there and move on from there.

I remember back in the day, somewhere around 1997... maybe '98 or so, laughing (lmao to be precise, as it was a new word to me at the time) so hard when I read an article about the Tampa Bay Lightning expecting to contend for the cup at and around 2002-2004. The thought seemed so farfetched at the time. Tampa was so deep down at the bottom of the pack. Times change.


I see where you are coming from. But the thing is, if they trade a future for Luongo now. Will that take a major piece away from the future? That will destroy what they have built up for the future. Like it did to Toronto and them prior with Yashin.

If they were in a better position to make this move, then I would consider them a contender and an interesting one as they have nice pieces. But until then they just have to wait out the rebuilding process.

If Lu is still here in 5 years, then maybe they give us call. And Hey, at this rate who knows, maybe he will be. :lol:
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:10 AM

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Before the mods try to lock or delete this, please consider this separate from the Luongo trade thread, as that thread has currently been hijacked by a pissing contest between King of ES and whoever tries to begin a discussion. This thread will instead explore the possible trade destinations and return from those destinations. Based on the originality of this post, I feel it is far from redundant. That being said, if this doesn't generate discussion feel free to delete it.
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One question and I'll say no more about it: how long will this thread last before the people that make the other thread useless are here, doing the same thing?

The only way this works is to report people getting off topic, or arguing among themselves, or resorting to personally attacking other posters, or trolling, or any of the other things we aren't supposed to do on these boards.

Then they go away, and we use the NEWS thread for actual news, and the DISCUSSION thread to discuss that news and everything that relates to that. Or we could just keep trying to do it all over again once this one goes to pot.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:31 AM

I see where you are coming from. But the thing is, if they trade a future for Luongo now. Will that take a major piece away from the future? That will destroy what they have built up for the future. Like it did to Toronto and them prior with Yashin.

If they were in a better position to make this move, then I would consider them a contender and an interesting one as they have nice pieces. But until then they just have to wait out the rebuilding process.

If Lu is still here in 5 years, then maybe they give us call. And Hey, at this rate who knows, maybe he will be. :lol:


Again. We are on the same page here. Almost as close as Gillis is to getting what he want's for Luongo ::D

I am aware of the fact that you don't rebuild a franchise to be a cup contender by moving your best assets. But as always, you have to give some to get some. And they still have Tavares, Hamonic, Moulson, Bailey, Grabner and prospects like Niederreiter & Strome to build upon. And Reinhardt & Okposo of course if my deal won't go through for some reason. :)

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:42 AM

Again. We are on the same page here. Almost as close as Gillis is to getting what he want's for Luongo ::D

I am aware of the fact that you don't rebuild a franchise to be a cup contender by moving your best assets. But as always, you have to give some to get some. And they still have Tavares, Hamonic, Moulson, Bailey, Grabner and prospects like Niederreiter & Strome to build upon. And Reinhardt & Okposo of course if my deal won't go through for some reason. :)


:) Nice to have a good discussion on it, rather than a circular argument with people who like to twist things.

What do you think of getting Orlov? Someone I am really high on. I made this post in the other thread that should better explain what he brings:

I want Dmitry Orlov in a Lu to Washington deal.

Guy rushes the puck, jumps in the play, has an accurate shot and good hands. He has solid size and like to hit aswell. Very dangerous and highly skilled offensive player. He is very aggressive and also has a nice hipcheck.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6N9WM_kmCsQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAUbmY7OVK0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAQEsNwkD1U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C2LeonNoNY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQQH5GCGhvo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRB4Qm6-mC0

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:49 AM

I'll approach the topic at hand first from who would be interested and list them by just how viable an option they are. Then I'll bold the ones I think Luongo would actually want to go to.

Toronto
Florida
- the most interest, the most rumours, etc. and both could use a top goalie to get them into the playoffs and build to contender status

Philly
Islanders
Winnipeg
Chicago
San Jose
- teams with current goalies who may or may not be good enough, unlikely unless they move who they currently have or go a different route

New Jersey
Tampa Bay
Edmonton
Washington
- teams that either still have an established starter or very good young goalies intent on becoming starters, unlikely during this season but could be offseason bidders if their current goaltending situation isn't solid enough

Columbus
- bottom of the barrel, actually a good team but who wants to go there and they're 'trying' out two goalies that they hope are good enough at this point

I don't think I left anyone out, as I don't think anyone else really fits. I ruled out Detroit, Anaheim, Calgary, Phoenix, Dallas, Colorado, Minnesota and Pittsburgh, who I've all heard mentioned on CDC of late. Anyone could surprise, but that leaves 12 teams.

I think Luongo would like anything Eastern seaboard that could be competitive, although he might consider Chicago or perhaps San Nose if he thinks they can sustain their pace. Both are iffy with past history. History factors in with NYI as well and they along with Philly have significant goalie contracts already. Columbus fails on location and team issues of course, Winnipeg and Washington seem likely to stick with who they have along with Edmonton, who Lu probably wouldn't waive to nor would we trade to without a significant overpayment.

Now, the more likely teams.

New Jersey and Tampa are probably only likely in the offseason. NJ has Brodeur for two more years, but could make a play if they feel they can solidify their future beyond that. Cash is an issue and they'd prefer a younger option most likely. Tampa has a younger option in Lindback and are doing well enough on the scoresheet they could probably have Roloson back and still be fine. If they don't feel they can trust Lindback then maybe at the trade deadline but otherwise they wait - yet they are in a prime location if they did decide to entice Luongo and feel ready to contend.

Toronto and Florida could happen anytime. Both with shaky goaltending and no closer to a playoff spot than most years if they don't improve something. Florida might actually take a step back without help, while Toronto seems close to taking a step closer, but both could crash at any point and need that playoff spot and to build to being contenders. Another year of missing won't cut it and Lu would go to either but prefers one (Gillis would agree if he had his pick of return).

I won't get into what the GMs of those teams feel is right, or what they could offer. That's all been said plenty before and is common cause of some of the wild 'discussions' in the other thread when people disagree. Besides, it's late, I've typed this all up before - separately and together - and I've probably even crossed some wires with what I meant to say, but there it is.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:57 AM

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Solid post. I have no critique.

Just interested as to why you don't think Washington is in that same category as Florida and Toronto? IMO they are there, they have young guys, but they aren't ready to carry the team. They are looking for a cup and Luongo would add what they need in his the confidence and backbone he would bring to the team.

(Obviously the other reason I am asking is because I want Orlov lol :P )
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:08 AM

Solid post. I have no critique.

Just interested as to why you don't think Washington is in that same category as Florida and Toronto? IMO they are there, they have young guys, but they aren't ready to carry the team. They are looking for a cup and Luongo would add what they need in his the confidence and backbone he would bring to the team.

(Obviously the other reason I am asking is because I want Orlov lol :P )

Washington could work from a lot of perspectives if they were interested, but I really don't think they are. They have cap considerations when they carry some high priced talent already. They have a new coach so there is a transition period. They came into the season at least with way more trust in their goalies than Toronto, and probably Florida too. And the games/highlights I have watched appear like the goalies are trying but are getting hung out to dry while the team figures things out.

My opinion is they'll get the team thing figured out and know that if they are better than the rest of their division they'll have a chance to beat anyone since they feel they'll have a goalie who will get hot, or at least play well enough to give them a chance.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:19 AM

Washington could work from a lot of perspectives if they were interested, but I really don't think they are. They have cap considerations when they carry some high priced talent already. They have a new coach so there is a transition period. They came into the season at least with way more trust in their goalies than Toronto, and probably Florida too. And the games/highlights I have watched appear like the goalies are trying but are getting hung out to dry while the team figures things out.

My opinion is they'll get the team thing figured out and know that if they are better than the rest of their division they'll have a chance to beat anyone since they feel they'll have a goalie who will get hot, or at least play well enough to give them a chance.


I worry for them about Holtby though, Nuevirth is better than some think but he isn't a starter. Holtby may go down the exact same road, very promising but doesn't pan out as a legit #1.

I just want to get Orlov, brings something we have been missing since Ehrhoff left.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:41 AM

I really don't think we are building just now so I don't see the need to list so many "potentially" good players. You can throw all those who have not had 2 seasons in the NHL away for a start.
Then you can throw away anyone under 6'-2" and 200lbs, we are trying to get bigger.
Lastly I appreciate that you at least mention that one or two have a mean streak because most of the others don't.

I've no real argument with the teams you selected except possibly the Oilers who we don't want to elevate any further and in any case would not be prepared imo to part with the calibre of player that would make it worth while. So for me your filter needs re-setting.

You came closest when you mentioned Sbisa (who I am have suggested a number of times last year) Perry (Getzlaf is too unpredictable) I would substitute Ryan here too if we throw in a makeweight.

At the Sharks, I like your Pavelski but I would rather have Clowe who has top 6 goal threat and top 6 enforcer in one.

Florida is a bust for us. They have nothing except potential and I would only take Bjugstad if he came with Peter Mueller with Vancouver maybe throwing in Alberts+. Quite frankly, I know Lu has family down there but that roster is a mess.

At Tampa I like Purcell but he seems to lack pushback for someone his size. I don't mind Bieksa stepping in for the Sedins but I draw the line at doing it for someone 6'-3" and 202lbs. No I would rather have Lecavalier or Hedman with us making up the weight on Hedman.

Re-thinking I don't really see Washington as a partner but if I did I would be looking at playoff type players like Brouwer, Laich or Karl Azner.

In summing up while I like quite a few of your young hopefuls, trading Lu, maybe even as a package (and I don't agree with this move anyway) is probably one of the few chances to get something big, something this team really needs and I don't see any of these "futures" helping us in our SC quest with our window closing.
I feel our team is good but not a SC winning team. We might even struggle due to losing Lu. However where we do struggle is the attritional best of 7 format and it's effect on our relatively "light" players. We need to get bigger, meaner and acquire at least another 2 players who can dish it out as well as take it.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

I worry for them about Holtby though, Nuevirth is better than some think but he isn't a starter. Holtby may go down the exact same road, very promising but doesn't pan out as a legit #1.

I just want to get Orlov, brings something we have been missing since Ehrhoff left.

Neuvirth came in young, younger than Holtby who's at least had a chance to develop a bit more, but I can see how they'd want to be more patient with him rather than rush him like they tried to with Nuevirth and Varlamov. Fair point, and I don't really know what they're thinking so it's just my opinion from what I'd heard prior that they'd be holding that stance and not looking for a replacement.

Hard to think they'd consider moving Orlov to get a goalie a better option at this point though when they'd probably prefer to have him in their lineup to replace Green if he continues to have issues like he had previous.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:10 AM

If NYI's are in no position to contend; equally Toronto would be foolish to trade young assets?

Their assets they might need to fill big roles should Kessel not re-sign??? Especially after shedding Tim Connolly...

My darkhorse is, ahem, Chicago. Much like San Jose, there is no incentive while they're top of the table. But last year they're goaltending was a question. The problem is deeper; Nick Leddy is an asset we could use, but at left D where we are stacked. So start thinking multiple trades or a 3 way? Let me dwell on that...

And Florida makes less and less sense at this time of year while the Panther's are imploding. If the goalie ain't going to help, why give up assets?

I'm off to research Washington. All real signals point to the Whitehouse...







NYI is in no position to contend for a cup, trading future assets that will one day be far more valuable to them doesn't make any sense, as they are in no position to do that and add a star veteran.

As we have seen with Yashin and Kessel, it can be a major mistake for a franchise.

That's of course putting Dipietro aside, which is ultimately the biggest road block.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:20 AM

:) Nice to have a good discussion on it, rather than a circular argument with people who like to twist things.

What do you think of getting Orlov? Someone I am really high on. I made this post in the other thread that should better explain what he brings:


Orlov is someone I haven't really paid much attention to. By the looks of it, his game seems good and probably still "adjusting" to NA. I'm personally not very fond of Russian d-men for some reason. Mostly because of the offensive side they all have to their game and thus the lack of reliable defense at times. Some exceptions amongst them, but this is my general opinion.

If the package is right, the Orlov would be a welcome addition never the less.

I doubt John Carlson is available for just about any price, but a deal with WAS should definitely include him. Even if he is an offensive d-man as well, there is where I'd put my money. Carlson, Cam Fowler, Victor Hedman, Adam Larsson are to me the most intriguing and promising d-men out there worth targeting. Lots of other good defensemen I didn't mention, but these are in my opinion franchise players.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 06:21 AM

Versteeg
Bjustad

Luongo
Raymond
Higgins
2nd

in 2 years

Burrows Kesler Kassian
Sedin Sedin Versteeg
Booth Bjustad Hansen
Weise Lapierre Volpatti

Hamhuis Garrison
Edler Tanev
Ballard Bieksa

Schneider
Lack


solid gold

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:36 AM

I could see Gillis expanding this deal, (to include a few pieces moving either way) -would allow him to nail a few birds with one stone.

Throw in Booth/Ballard, then his counterpart doesn't lose face in giving up more value. Van can also take a comparable contract back; provided the player is a useful piece with an expiring contract.

Get younger, bigger & cheaper(for next season).
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:29 AM

Again. We are on the same page here. Almost as close as Gillis is to getting what he want's for Luongo ::D

I am aware of the fact that you don't rebuild a franchise to be a cup contender by moving your best assets. But as always, you have to give some to get some. And they still have Tavares, Hamonic, Moulson, Bailey, Grabner and prospects like derreiter & Strome to build upon. And Reinhardt & Okposo of course if my deal won't go through for some reason. :)

I agree that the Islanders are not a writeoff as a potential trade partner.

The Islanders lose money but are moving into a new arena in Brooklyn in two years. What action will ownership take to cement their relationship with many new fans? Even more direct compete wi th the NYR. I agree that they have to buyout Dip even at the cost involved. Wang is mercurical but has the money to do it if he wants to. Why wouldn't Lou want to play in NY? The NYI have a lot of young talent that is starting to hit their stride. Lou would give them a solid tender that solidifies their young defence.

The question in this scenario is what does the NYI have to offer Van other than basically unproven talent. Unproven not untalented. Van's timeline is a CUP run over next 2 - 3 years.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

Update after period one Was / Pitt.

2 to 1 Pitt, goal tending not a strength for Washington, a nice save off Crosby breaking in aside. Both goals from the point; a big wide goalie like Lou might have???

MoJo not noticeable...

Commentators suggesting Caps owner concerned about Ovechkin, plus they're not off to a great start; maybe a shake up coming?

edit; now 4 to 1 Pitt in 2knd. Holtby should have made saves on the last two goals, where the first two you would like him to have done so, but could not lay direct blame.

It's gettin hotter here!

If NYI's are in no position to contend; equally Toronto would be foolish to trade young assets?

Their assets they might need to fill big roles should Kessel not re-sign??? Especially after shedding Tim Connolly...

My darkhorse is, ahem, Chicago. Much like San Jose, there is no incentive while they're top of the table. But last year they're goaltending was a question. The problem is deeper; Nick Leddy is an asset we could use, but at left D where we are stacked. So start thinking multiple trades or a 3 way? Let me dwell on that...

And Florida makes less and less sense at this time of year while the Panther's are imploding. If the goalie ain't going to help, why give up assets?

I'm off to research Washington. All real signals point to the Whitehouse...


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:35 AM

Luongo for Ovechkin?

Ovechkin is struggling. The Caps have 2 wins. They need a change


One can hope! Love the optomism
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:54 AM

Versteeg
Bjustad

Luongo
Raymond
Higgins
2nd
...
solid gold

Why one earth would Florida trade not only the guy that's been rumoured to be denied already in Bjugstad but then also take Versteeg out of their top 6 when they've desperately needed scoring after injuries and the potential of losing Weiss to free agency?

I could see Gillis expanding this deal, (to include a few pieces moving either way) -would allow him to nail a few birds with one stone.

Throw in Booth/Ballard, then his counterpart doesn't lose face in giving up more value. Van can also take a comparable contract back; provided the player is a useful piece with an expiring contract.

Get younger, bigger & cheaper(for next season).

Some teams might be able to take on that much salary along with Luongo but it would be very, very few. That's the issue with a Luongo deal, is a team is either close to the cap and can't take on so much hit, or their a budget team that can't afford to take on so much salary. If a deal did work involving them, we'd have to take back significant cap/salary in return, although we could choose to keep some of their salary for budget teams.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:02 PM

As mentioned in the news thread:

@BradZiemer Gillis & Gilman didn't appear to be at Friday's home game against Blackhawks. Now in Washington watching Caps play Penguins.

They're watching the Caps/Pens game, and I've defended some of Washinton's goaltending to this point I've seen, Holtby with some not so great efforts on two quick goals by the Pens.

I might have to take it back about my feeling of Washington being unlikely, but it also seems they're more concerned about Ovi at this point, who isn't a player we can afford to take back. If anything Washington can afford to take more back than we'd be able to in cap.

As I type this, Pens score making it 5-2, but Kunitz was all alone on the cross crease pass with a D-man missing a stick on the PK for Washington. No fault of Holtby on that one.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

McGuire and co. speculating on Gillis being at the Wash/Pitts game:
  • Not likely a casual scouting trip
  • Van has two good goalies in play, very complimentary of Luongo's recent play with no negative talk
  • Suggesting Wash prospects are a possible option, with Orlov, Kuznetsov and Forsberg mentioned specifically
  • Oates under pressure

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