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#1 dangler696969

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:40 AM

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Didn't see an official thread or anything like that and it seemed like a popular enough idea such that its own thread should be created. I hope this offers an opportunity for a wide discussion.

We need to keep an objective view and see the facts as they are:
1. Great player until awful eye injury. His decline in his play is obvious as he constantly fumbles pucks and is a virtual anchor with every line he ever plays with now. He was worth well over 2.5 before the eye injury, hes probably worth about five hundred thousand now, that figure being very generous.
2. 7 GP no goals no assists -2 plus.minus and a grand total of 1 shot. That tells the story.
3. He is a great leader, but the team as a whole is a lot maturer now and don't need a vet like Manny to keep them going anymore. They've grown accustomed to playing without him.

Gillis should've bought this guy out the second the new CBA was signed. Maybe even dangle him for a 7th round pick....

I understand this guy is a great team guy and all that yada yada yada, but his time has passed and he needs to let a young kid like schroeder get a full time center position on the 4th line once kesler comes back. Manny is costing this team and his cons definitely outweigh the pros. Just my opinion.

Edited by dangler696969, 06 February 2013 - 12:41 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:45 AM

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You don't put a 5'8" offensive centre on the 4th line.

You put a defensive centre, who is good at winning faceoffs = Malhorta.

We really need to bring the 'minus' back.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:46 AM

Did you forget to mention he is the best faceoff man in the league??????

Oh yah that's right you only focused on the categories that he is having trouble with this season


Lol at Schroeder on the 4th line yah that will be great for his developement

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:48 AM

Actually 66.7% on faceoffs tells the story.

He is a 4th line center, we aren't expecting much offensively.

As long as he can continue to win faceoffs and kill penalties he will have a place on this team.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 06 February 2013 - 12:49 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:50 AM

He actually hasn't been that bad the last couple games.

Still, after the faceoff, he's the worst player on the ice.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:53 AM

His eye injury changed everything. It really did. It was such an effective 3rd line player, he was capable of shutting down players win faceoffs, and put up points. He was the same person, but to an extent, he was "different" player. He was still very good at faceoffs but no longer the best, his points total dropped, and continued to get scored on.

I think this is it for him guys. He will be a helpful player, but not for too long.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 12:54 AM

Seriously?

I know its your opinion, but have you lost your mind?

I thought the KIng was bad.

Edited by pwnstar, 06 February 2013 - 12:56 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:07 AM

2 million plus is way too much to pay for a slow pylon who is only good at faceoffs. He needs more to his game, and don't argue that he's a good penalty killer because he's not - our PK is one of the worst in the league and he's too slow out there.

Either Manny takes 1 to 1.3 million dollar paycut or is off this team. We cannot just have a guy who's good at faceoffs and nothing else, everyone has to bring multiple things to the table. For example, the Sedins are scorers and PPers, Hansen is a good scorer, forechecker and PKer, Edler is a great scorer, hitter and PPer, Kassian is a good scorer, hitter and net presence, heck even Lapierre is a good hitter and PKer. Malhotra literally only does faceoffs well.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:08 AM

He's definitely not the same player he was, but I'm comfortable having him here in a limited role. His contract is up after this year and I have to wonder if he will even want to continue playing. I'd love if he started to transition into some form of coaching or scouting role with the Canucks. Even having him around this season can't hurt Schroeder's learning curve.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:12 AM

He doesn't look like the same skater anymore either. Doubt he gets resigned. We need capable role players. When your role is to be a defensive forward but you've gone from good to mediocre you have no place on a contending team. As nice a guy as Malholtra is, we need to ice the best team.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:14 AM

I hope Manny accepts a position on the bench as a coach after this season.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:16 AM

Manny will be kept for his role in taking face offs.
He is one of the very best.
His full game could come around.If not,he will have to find and work at another role on this team or some other.
The Canucks face much larger issues than Manny right now.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:24 AM

Guys! You've gotta relax. Malholtra hasn't been good since the eye injury. We're paying him $2.5 million and he isn't worth it anymore. He was the biggest steal ever before; literally one of the five best defensive players in the league, great at face offs and an awesome leader.

It's just that Malholtra isn't the same player he used to be. I think he should be given a job in management when the season is over, but he really isn't NHL calibre anymore.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:24 AM

Actually 66.7% on faceoffs tells the story.

He is a 4th line center, we aren't expecting much offensively.

As long as he can continue to win faceoffs and kill penalties he will have a place on this team.


its actually 70.6% or 9% better than before the injury and last year he was at 59% so only a drop of 2% from 10-11

Edited by mbal23, 06 February 2013 - 01:25 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:29 AM

He doesn't look like the same skater anymore either. Doubt he gets resigned. We need capable role players. When your role is to be a defensive forward but you've gone from good to mediocre you have no place on a contending team. As nice a guy as Malholtra is, we need to ice the best team.

Your username gives this post a ton of irony.....:)
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:33 AM

A guy like Manny doesn't hurt a team, even if all he is doing is playing every 3rd game and teaching faceoffs at practice.

Worst case, he is like Nolan Baumgartner or Mike Keane were in the minors at the end of their careers.

2.5M is too much for this role, but the contract is signed.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:40 AM

I know everyone loves the guys, but honestly, he looks absolutely useless on the ice except he can win some faceoffs, I don't think anyone can deny that.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:42 AM

What Manny should be doing is nailing a couple of shootout moves.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:42 AM

not worth 2.5 (in fairness it was a freak accident that could not have been factored into signing the contract) but still has value, and although in a reduced role, retains effectiveness in some facets of the game. could see him re-signed, but not at anything more than a max of 1.25mil
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:53 AM

While his cap hit is indicative of the player he once was, and is evidently too much for what he is post-injury, he still retains a valuable role on this team. He is one of the, and if I'm not mistaken, currently is the best faceoff man in the league. For those of you arguing his worth, detriment to cap notwithstanding, consider this: it's a Game 7 in the Stanley Cup Playoffs. We need to kill off a late 5-on-3 penalty to preserve a one goal lead, or even a tie, in the dying minutes of the 3rd. The faceoff is in our own end. In this case, it is absolutely crucial that we win this faceoff, as it could very well lead to elimination if we do not. Having any of our other centers take the draw is taking a chance. But a faceoff specialist like Malhotra can come in and provide us with a much higher chance of winning the draw and subsequently clearing the puck, killing off precious seconds at a critical moment in the game. After the clear, he hustles back to the bench, allowing a better defensive center to take the ice.

It honestly hurts me to say 'better defensive center', as Manny was once a Selke candidate third line shutdown center and a major contributor to the success of what was likely the best team so far in Canucks history. But the hockey gods wouldn't allow that success to continue for the Canucks, and a freak accident led to Manny becoming a shell of his former self.

Anyways, while the Game 7 late game 5-on-3 may be a more rare occurrence, Manny can still function in a faceoff specialist capacity the way Patrice Bergeron did for Team Canada in 2010. He most definitely does hold value on this squad, though not as much as his contract would suggest.

Edited by bardown, 06 February 2013 - 01:54 AM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:14 AM

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:15 AM

Not to mention the importance of winning face offs in the defensive zone is all too easily overlooked. Those could easily turn into scoring chances or goals against.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:18 AM

Not in favour of subtracting defence.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:29 AM

As much as I respect Malhotra and sympathize for him, 2.5 mil is way too much for a guy who brings nothing to the table but face-off skill, PK and some leadership. It looks like he's never gonna be the same again, its a damn shame because he was awesome before the injury but its not a viable option for the long run. He needs to be let go after this season unless he takes a huge paycut.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:19 AM

The Canucks should just pay him to retire and give him a job at the coaching staff if he's that important to the team, cause quite frankly, he's a horrible player post injury.

The last game was a perfect example, the 4th line was non factor and guess who was centering it?

After he takes the faceoffs he has absolutely no clue what to do with the puck. He iced the puck a couple times last game when he could have easily passed to his wingers or bounced it at the walls.

He has no offensive awareness, cant carry the puck to the offensive zone, dump and chase is his speciality and he's not even good at forechecking. Losses almost every battle along the boards, cant pass or recieve passes, handles the puck like a granade, etc etc.

It will be intresting what the Canucks do with JS when everyone is healthy. To me, JS has shown enough to earn a spot on the 3rd line unless we get a player in return from the Luongo trade.

You cant really send Volpatti or Weise because they've done a good job providing energy to the lineup. So that leaves Malhotra, where does he fit exactly?

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:56 AM

Holy Crap!

Does anyone on here even pay attention to the Canucks players?

Manny Malhotra is in the last year of his contract, after this season he will become a UFA!

Now clearly Manny is not the 2.5 million dollar player he once was, but he is still a very effective player. He is great in the face off circle, good at the PK, and is a heart and soul player.

Personally I believe Mike Gillis should extend Manny's contract at the end of the year.

If I were GMMG I would sign Manny for 2 years @ 1 million per year.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:56 AM

If people don't appreciate what Malhotra does and the way he plays, I think they need to watch closer. He's a role player and he does it well. He's always in position, makes his linemates better, he's a dependable veteran presence. Great on faceoffs, as everyone knows, and on the PK. Also a great guy in the community, all his teammates seem to really like him, helps bind the team together and make things run smoothly. Maybe he'll never be the same player he was before his injury, maybe it'll take another year or two to recover, but he's still a player any team should be happy to have. Maybe you don't notice it if you're just drawn by flash and dazzle but Malhotra is a quietly excellent player.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:10 AM

If people don't appreciate what Malhotra does and the way he plays, I think they need to watch closer. He's a role player and he does it well. He's always in position, makes his linemates better, he's a dependable veteran presence. Great on faceoffs, as everyone knows, and on the PK. Also a great guy in the community, all his teammates seem to really like him, helps bind the team together and make things run smoothly. Maybe he'll never be the same player he was before his injury, maybe it'll take another year or two to recover, but he's still a player any team should be happy to have. Maybe you don't notice it if you're just drawn by flash and dazzle but Malhotra is a quietly excellent player.


Well i do watch him closely, and the player you described there is not the same Malhotra im seeing...

"Makes his linemates better" is that a joke? the only players Malhotra makes better when he's playing 5 on 5 are the oppositions 4th line.

Heres a fun thing for Malhotra supporters to watch next game. See how many times his linemates avoid passing to him, watch him in the offensive zone or defensive zone without the puck.

Im not asking him to score a hattrick, shutdown the other teams top line every game, its the little things, basic hockey skills thats lacking.

I've heard all these "great community guy" "good in the locker room" "nice guy" "leader on and off the ice" that all great but that has nothing to do with his on ice play.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:32 AM

Manny has integrity and would not play if he did not believe he was helping the club.

Management would not continue to dress him for every game if they did not share this belief.

He has suffered greatly from his injury and is not as good as he once was but he is still valuable to the team.

He is still recovering IMO and getting better and better as time passes, even though he will probably not return to his form prior to the injury.

He is still better than anyone else we have under contract for his position on the team and will become more valuable in the playoffs.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:46 AM

Holy Crap!

Does anyone on here even pay attention to the Canucks players?

Manny Malhotra is in the last year of his contract, after this season he will become a UFA!

Now clearly Manny is not the 2.5 million dollar player he once was, but he is still a very effective player. He is great in the face off circle, good at the PK, and is a heart and soul player.

Personally I believe Mike Gillis should extend Manny's contract at the end of the year.

If I were GMMG I would sign Manny for 2 years @ 1 million per year.


Manny can still play in the league, but he is making the league minimum after this year. I can practically guarantee it.
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