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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:49 PM

He doesn't look good on PK at all. Hansen, Raymond, Weise and Higgy all look better.

Wouldn't mind his drop in play so much if he actually hit someone, dude NEVER drops the shoulder, EVER. Loses puck battles everywhere outside of the faceoff circle.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:51 PM

I remember when...

During the season, the Rangers were interested in acquiring Vancouver Canucks forward Pavel Bure. It was reported that Canucks general manager Brian Burke had requested Malhotra to be involved in a trade that would have sent him along with Niklas Sundström, Dan Cloutier and the Rangers' first-round pick in the 1999 draft in exchange for Bure.However, Rangers general manager Neil Smith refused to include Malhotra and the deal never materialized. - Wikipedia
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:00 PM



When this happened I cheered so goddamn loud. He's the little engine that could (after his injury). If MG resigns him with a significant pay cut I'll be very happy.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

I remember when...

During the season, the Rangers were interested in acquiring Vancouver Canucks forward Pavel Bure. It was reported that Canucks general manager Brian Burke had requested Malhotra to be involved in a trade that would have sent him along with Niklas Sundström, Dan Cloutier and the Rangers' first-round pick in the 1999 draft in exchange for Bure.However, Rangers general manager Neil Smith refused to include Malhotra and the deal never materialized. - Wikipedia


And?

In 1999, Malhotra was thought-of as a high-upside, 7th overall pick from 1998. In 1999, Vancouver also thought that Bryan Allen was going to be the next Chris Pronger, Josh Holden was about to set the NHL on fire, etc.

Things change.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:01 PM

Go where and accomplish what?

He has a no trade clause which we offered him. The new CBA says even if we dump him his cap hit sits on the books.

Then think in human terms about what you are suggesting; dump a guy who got injured at work, and had done all rehabilitation possible to be a productive, if less spectacular but still valued employee.

Nobody will ever want to come work for you?

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Didn't see an official thread or anything like that and it seemed like a popular enough idea such that its own thread should be created. I hope this offers an opportunity for a wide discussion.

We need to keep an objective view and see the facts as they are:
1. Great player until awful eye injury. His decline in his play is obvious as he constantly fumbles pucks and is a virtual anchor with every line he ever plays with now. He was worth well over 2.5 before the eye injury, hes probably worth about five hundred thousand now, that figure being very generous.
2. 7 GP no goals no assists -2 plus.minus and a grand total of 1 shot. That tells the story.
3. He is a great leader, but the team as a whole is a lot maturer now and don't need a vet like Manny to keep them going anymore. They've grown accustomed to playing without him.

Gillis should've bought this guy out the second the new CBA was signed. Maybe even dangle him for a 7th round pick....

I understand this guy is a great team guy and all that yada yada yada, but his time has passed and he needs to let a young kid like schroeder get a full time center position on the 4th line once kesler comes back. Manny is costing this team and his cons definitely outweigh the pros. Just my opinion.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

Yup; and if u follow "possible trade" speculation;

< and I know u dont like any stamp on trade speculation>

The Canucks rejected a Kovalev trade for Pavel Bure because they would not include young prospect Manny Malhotra.

And?

In 1999, Malhotra was thought-of as a high-upside, 7th overall pick from 1998. In 1999, Vancouver also thought that Bryan Allen was going to be the next Chris Pronger, Josh Holden was about to set the NHL on fire, etc.

Things change.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:09 PM

Then think in human terms about what you are suggesting; dump a guy who got injured at work, and had done all rehabilitation possible to be a productive, if less spectacular but still valued employee.

Nobody will ever want to come work for you?


How about if work signs a guy to a 12-year contract, and then decides to change plans and go with another guy less than 3 years later.

Does that have an effect on who will want to work for said organization?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:16 PM

How about if work signs a guy to a 12-year contract, and then decides to change plans and go with another guy less than 3 years later.

Does that have an effect on who will want to work for said organization?

If the guy wants to waive his 12 year contract then fine.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:17 PM

I think The Official Manny Malhotra Needs to go Thread needs to go.


Aside from it being dumb, there aren't enough square brackets and asterisks in the thread title, and therefore has no merit.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:21 PM

2. 7 GP no goals no assists -2 plus.minus and a grand total of 1 shot. That tells the story.


Ironically, that tells absolutely none of the story.

Everyone knows Malhotra is not here to score, is not here to rack up shots and should not be expected to be on the plus side of +/-.

With all due respect, his 13.2% offensive zone starts last year was the lowest percentage in the NHL last (among players who played 3 or more games lol) - that combined with his obvious faceoff excellence, is pretty much the whole story. You will be hard pressed to find a single player in the NHL whose offensive zone finishes are nearly 30% higher than their starts. Judge him on that - he's purely a shut down role player - as pure as any in the NHL. It's part of what has allowed the Sedins to step on the ice in favourable circumstances ever since he arrived here. Hindsighting his contract is just ironing.

Edited by oldnews, 06 February 2013 - 03:25 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:23 PM

Character guy who is there to win faceoffs and help out on the PK. Nobody ever thought he would be a goal scorer in our lineup.

I would trade or bench Mason Raymond before Manny.
just my 2 cents.


Are you serious or just a Malhotra fan boy?

Anyone who bitches about Raymond and does not criticise Malhotra is not a fan of the Canucks rather a fan of certain players.

Raymond is a great pker, backchecker, versatile player can play on the top or bottom 6 and is one of our best skating forward.

What does Malhotra offer other than faceoffs? dont even give me all that character,leadership BS, convince me how Malhotra makes the team better than Raymond? They both make the same salary, yet Raymond gets so much BS from the fans and Malhotra gets none.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:25 PM

Ironically, that tells absolutely none of the story.

Everyone knows Malhotra is not here to score, is not here to rack up shots and should not be expected to be on the plus side of +/-.

With all due respect, his 13.2% offensive zone starts last year was the lowest percentage in the NHL last year (among players who played 3 or more games lol) - that combined with his obvious faceoff excellence, is pretty much the whole story. You will be hard pressed to find a single player in the NHL whose offensive zone finishes are nearly 30% higher than their starts. Judge him on that.


And you dont wonder why that is? BECAUSE HE HAS HANDS OF STONE. He's practically useless after he takes the faceoff 5 on 5.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:26 PM

I think The Official Manny Malhotra Needs to go Thread needs to go.


Aside from it being dumb, there aren't enough square brackets and asterisks in the thread title, and therefore has no merit.


Has Malhotra reached Linden status in this town? alot of sensitive people here whenever fans state the obvious.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

This is the last year of his contract! WTF is wrong with you? Would you rather have some nobody play on our 4th line at league minimum, saving us no RELEVANT cap space, meanwhile pulling a dick move to get rid of a player who has had SO much influence on this team just because he, who is playing on the 4th line, can't put up points? As an FA, you realize losing him now would result in pro-rated salary reduction anyways?

He ALSO has the highest face-off percentage in the NHL, and has a minus 2 because of the players he plays against?

I'm not going to compare him to Linden.

Getting rid of Malhotra is a waste of time. He doesn't make noticeably terrible plays in our end, and I could care less about his offensive contribution.

Pull your head out of your hole, seriously, or is stuck from being too full of hot air?

God this thread is stupid...
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

And you dont wonder why that is? BECAUSE HE HAS HANDS OF STONE. He's practically useless after he takes the faceoff 5 on 5.


BECAUSE HE'S A DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST, not to mention if we wanted to score, we'd put out Sedins or Kesler, or whatever our 3rd line is at the time...

Malhotra is not there for scoring, yes because he's not very good at it. However, everybody knows this, and still recognize that he is a good part of a team.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:44 PM

This is the last year of his contract! WTF is wrong with you? Would you rather have some nobody play on our 4th line at league minimum, saving us no RELEVANT cap space, meanwhile pulling a dick move to get rid of a player who has had SO much influence on this team just because he, who is playing on the 4th line, can't put up points? As an FA, you realize losing him now would result in pro-rated salary reduction anyways?

He ALSO has the highest face-off percentage in the NHL, and has a minus 2 because of the players he plays against?

I'm not going to compare him to Linden.

Getting rid of Malhotra is a waste of time. He doesn't make noticeably terrible plays in our end, and I could care less about his offensive contribution.

Pull your head out of your hole, seriously, or is stuck from being too full of hot air?

God this thread is stupid...


Im not saying we buy him out or trade him because he is a UFA, im questioning why we keep him around when everyone is healthy.

Our bottom 6 will be

Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Higgins - Lappiere - Malhotra

Weise and Volpatti have been really good so far this season but will eventually be the victim or the Malhotra pity spot.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

BECAUSE HE'S A DEFENSIVE SPECIALIST, not to mention if we wanted to score, we'd put out Sedins or Kesler, or whatever our 3rd line is at the time...

Malhotra is not there for scoring, yes because he's not very good at it. However, everybody knows this, and still recognize that he is a good part of a team.


A defensive specialist? wtf are you talking about? pre-injury yes? but now? I realise he is not the same player anymore, but he cant even do the simplest things anymore. like passing, stick handling, shooting.....

For a "defensive specialist" he was -11 last year and so far -2 and ONE SHOT on goal this year. Thats almost John Scott bad.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:52 PM

**** you!!
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:16 PM

Malhotra is the perfect fourth line center he doesn't need to put up points he wins faceoffs and checks
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:31 PM

He needs a pay cut. But he still has a place.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:20 PM

A defensive specialist? wtf are you talking about? pre-injury yes? but now? I realise he is not the same player anymore, but he cant even do the simplest things anymore. like passing, stick handling, shooting.....

For a "defensive specialist" he was -11 last year and so far -2 and ONE SHOT on goal this year. Thats almost John Scott bad.


STOP LOOKING AT STATS AND WATCH THE GAMES
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:40 PM

Manny's playing pretty well considering he's playing with Volpatti and Weise, 2 guys who are always looking for the big check. That's their role on this team and I don't want them to change their game, but it leaves them out of position when we're in our own zone. He's not the player he once was. but there's plenty of worse 4th line centers in the NHL.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:43 PM

Everyone does not think logically, who cares if your the best faceoff guy in the league if u cant score. Is faceoffs going to win the game, or scoring.
Enough said, think about that!

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:09 PM

Are you serious or just a Malhotra fan boy?
Anyone who bitches about Raymond and does not criticise Malhotra is not a fan of the Canucks rather a fan of certain players.


THE HORROR. WHAT STUPID PEOPLE, BEING FANS OF CERTAIN PLAYERS.

UNACCEPTABLE.
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Wow I can't believe peoples replies...
Im done here. You people are disgusting..


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:19 PM

STOP LOOKING AT STATS AND WATCH THE GAMES


the irony in this post is hilarious.

Malhotra fans throw his faceoff percentages at us like its the most important thing in hockey. Then we throw back stats at you guys and get mad. :lol:

And yes, i do watch the games and him in particular whenever he's on the ice.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:30 PM

I think everything that can be said about Manny, good and bad, has been said in this thread. I agree with the school of thought, that he looks a step behind in most facets of the game.

When Kes comes back, we will know what the coaching staff thinks. I beleive we will see Manny as the odd man out when that happens.

I would rather have Schroeder centering the 3rd line and Max centering the 4th next year. More speed more versatility.

My feeling is Manny is done in Vancouver as a player at the end of this year. He can certainly find work at the NHL level next year, I have no doubt about that. But I don't think his fit is here anymore, again, as a player. Even at a significantly reduced salary. A'la BMO.


(No more Manny, Higgy and MayRay off to UFA = $6.5MM off the books next year)
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:46 PM

And you dont wonder why that is? BECAUSE HE HAS HANDS OF STONE. He's practically useless after he takes the faceoff 5 on 5.


No I don't wonder why that is, not for a moment. That would be because I'm aware that he's a role player who is used in situations that suit his strengths - those situations don't lead to impressive scoring or +/- statistics - they simply lead to taking the faceoff in front of his goaltender, winning that faceoff, and moving the puck to the other end of the ice. The rest is up to the guys who get the o-zone starts. Not that difficult a concept. Perhaps he not yet the player he was before his eye injury - that has nothing to do with Malhotra's value when he signed - there is simply no way of 'seeing' the future injury at that point.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:47 PM

I think everything that can be said about Manny, good and bad, has been said in this thread. I agree with the school of thought, that he looks a step behind in most facets of the game.

When Kes comes back, we will know what the coaching staff thinks. I beleive we will see Manny as the odd man out when that happens.

I would rather have Schroeder centering the 3rd line and Max centering the 4th next year. More speed more versatility.

My feeling is Manny is done in Vancouver as a player at the end of this year. He can certainly find work at the NHL level next year, I have no doubt about that. But I don't think his fit is here anymore, again, as a player. Even at a significantly reduced salary. A'la BMO.

(No more Manny, Higgy and MayRay off to UFA = $6.5MM off the books next year)


This part is madness.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:57 PM

This is the last year of his contract! WTF is wrong with you? Would you rather have some nobody play on our 4th line at league minimum, saving us no RELEVANT cap space, meanwhile pulling a dick move to get rid of a player who has had SO much influence on this team just because he, who is playing on the 4th line, can't put up points? As an FA, you realize losing him now would result in pro-rated salary reduction anyways?

He ALSO has the highest face-off percentage in the NHL, and has a minus 2 because of the players he plays against?

I'm not going to compare him to Linden.

Getting rid of Malhotra is a waste of time. He doesn't make noticeably terrible plays in our end, and I could care less about his offensive contribution.

Pull your head out of your hole, seriously, or is stuck from being too full of hot air?

God this thread is stupid...

This is the last year of his contract! WTF is wrong with you? Would you rather have some nobody play on our 4th line at league minimum, saving us no RELEVANT cap space, meanwhile pulling a dick move to get rid of a player who has had SO much influence on this team just because he, who is playing on the 4th line, can't put up points? As an FA, you realize losing him now would result in pro-rated salary reduction anyways?

He ALSO has the highest face-off percentage in the NHL, and has a minus 2 because of the players he plays against?

I'm not going to compare him to Linden.

Getting rid of Malhotra is a waste of time. He doesn't make noticeably terrible plays in our end, and I could care less about his offensive contribution.

Pull your head out of your hole, seriously, or is stuck from being too full of hot air?

God this thread is stupid...


Couldn't say it better, Joe. Manny is here for another 5 months and these "fans" can't wait to ditch him. WTF.

I'd also add that Manny is very popular in the dressing room and I think dumping him like that would have rumblings in the dressing room.

Manny is the kind of guy that you want in the dressing room during a SC playoff. He is also the guy you rely on when you need to win a face off.

Let him play out his season.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:05 PM

the irony in this post is hilarious.

Malhotra fans throw his faceoff percentages at us like its the most important thing in hockey. Then we throw back stats at you guys and get mad. :lol:

And yes, i do watch the games and him in particular whenever he's on the ice.

Really. I watch the Canucks and not specific players so I can grumble about them. Perhaps that's why you're so pissy.
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