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#31 Kassian's Face

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

After the Bertuzzi incident, management, players, and fans that have been around since pre Luongo know what a retribution hit can do to a team. I for one do not want to lose Kassian or Bieksa to another team because of retribution.
If it can be done cleanly the Canucks will get er done, but no one wants someone to get hurt like Moore and to lose another star like Bertuzzi.

In the end did anyone think the Naslund hit was properly dealt with and we sent a message by what happened that game?
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:12 AM

So we lose Kassian to a suspension. Yay?
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:16 AM

They should have done something in the first minute. It's pretty simple but it's the way a lot of teams are these days. Grit is still needed on this team.


agreed more grit and a wolfpack mentality is needed, mess with one , mess with all , like the Leafs showed the Habs last night.
Vandermeer time soon hopefully.
i want a guy that laughs fighting Lucic and drops George Parros in the roster asap.
No offense to Manny but the guy is almost useless, rather have an animal that can intimidate and protect.
if we have Kassian,Vandermeer,Volpatti,Wiese in the lineup we're o.k in sandpaper dep't.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:20 AM

Watching Jamal Mayers going after Raffi Torres right away because of that hit he laid on Hossa last year makes me ask this question... Why didnt anybody go after Keith for his elbow to Daniel Sedin last season causing him to miss the first couple games of the Kings series and maybe single handedly costing us the first round?

I understand we needed the win and couldn't really risk much against a very hot blackhawks team and we needed to beat them to boost our confidence up which did happen, but come on not even one fight? not even a big clean hit on duncan? are you kidding me?

So now chicago thinks they can get away with injuring our best players because nothing will happen to them for it. Great AV thats some good coaching. Being so early in the season why not send out Volpatti or Weise to start a fight with him they are more then capable in going at it with anybody on that blackhawks team. I don't like this at all because if AV's plan is to "beat them on the score board" then why even have players like Volpatti and Weise fight in any games? why not use them for when it matters. Somebody should have taught Keith a lesson.

I made a thread last year asking who everybody thinks would fight Keith come the game against the blackhawks and it looks like nobody did.

Flame away if u want, I know everybodies gonna tell me to quit complaining we got the 2 points bla bla which i know is a good thing but I just don't want our best players getting cheap shotted again because believe it or not, the Sedins are VERY important to our teams success and anybody trying to take that success away from us by using elbows to the head should be dealt with.

Hopefully next game somebody does something because it is in chicago where the hit happend.


This isn't the WWE.
You hurt D.C. by winning games and hitting him every chance you get which is going to put him off his game. If Keith finally gets fed up with being punished and wants to settle a score, then someone knuckles him.
D.C. isn't going to drop the gloves with anyone and quite frankley, good on the Canucks for not stooping to his level and creating another horrible incident on the ice.
Keith will get his, either from a Canuck or from someone else on another team, karma's a b!tch.
It could be said that the D.C. hit was retaliation for the Mitchel / Toews hit. Let this go people.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

Looking from a different angle. Chicago, the team that used to have our number and push our team around, just spent a game afraid to get physical with us.

The only way you were going to get Keith to fight was through a sucker punch. Not worth it. Let him run and sweat and feel sick every time he faces us.

Edited by TimberWolf, 10 February 2013 - 11:26 AM.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:25 AM

agreed more grit and a wolfpack mentality is needed, mess with one , mess with all , like the Leafs showed the Habs last night.
Vandermeer time soon hopefully.
i want a guy that laughs fighting Lucic and drops George Parros in the roster asap.
No offense to Manny but the guy is almost useless, rather have an animal that can intimidate and protect.
if we have Kassian,Vandermeer,Volpatti,Wiese in the lineup we're o.k in sandpaper dep't.


Ya puck possession is way over rated, I'll take a goon that runs around looking for something to hit for 2-3 minutes a game over puck possession anyday. :picard:
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:27 AM

rocked him ?
please.
message clearly sent, keep gooning our stars, no retribution.

I actually liked that no one went out to get him in a goon fight.. he was afraid all night he avoided several big hits and he was looking over his shoulder every time he had the puck. If he is off his game every time we play them expecting to get crushed because one day it will happen. then that is a plus to us. I think the team as a whole was anticipating something that never happened and they didn't play as well as they could have... and we won. next game will be the same .. plus i think Chicago is showing a little more respect to the nucks since the elbow we have a good rivalry they and we don't want it to be a goon fest every time we play.. like Boston vs Montreal, penguins vs Flyers etc.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 11:58 AM

Keith wouldn't have fought. I'm sure AV and the Sedins said in the dressing room not to do anything stupid and seek retribution where the end result would have been Keith ducking whoever and than drawing a PP for the hawks. Nucks have that on their minds and boom game lost, Keith gets the last laugh.

End of story.

When you are so focused on wanting to go out and hurt someone it takes away from being focused on winning. If this game was near the end of the season and a playoff position was secured than ya send one of the 4th liners out to get him... maybe get a suspension but hey Keith will get his skull smashed in right?
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:15 PM

How it would have unfolded:

Volpatti/Wiese/Kassian etc.. jump him, pound him and get 2, 5 and game...

During the 7 minute power play, Keith scores 2 goals, the crowd boos like crazy...

Canucks fall further behind and decide to try to get him again, repeat above...

The best way to exact revenge is to finish your check on him every time you can (which they tried) and beat them on the score board (which they did).

Raffi is a different character. He does fight and knows he has to answer (see Matt Cooke and others).

Keith is a Norris Winning defenceman, not a goon. He was suspended and we beat his team...

I would like to see many more solid body checks on him in the future.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:15 PM

How it would have unfolded:

Volpatti/Wiese/Kassian etc.. jump him, pound him and get 2, 5 and game...

During the 7 minute power play, Keith scores 2 goals, the crowd boos like crazy...

Canucks fall further behind and decide to try to get him again, repeat above...

The best way to exact revenge is to finish your check on him every time you can (which they tried) and beat them on the score board (which they did).

Raffi is a different character. He does fight and knows he has to answer (see Matt Cooke and others).

Keith is a Norris Winning defenceman, not a goon. He was suspended and we beat his team...

I would like to see many more solid body checks on him in the future.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:30 PM

Keith wouldn't drop the gloves

end of story

This. It's the same thing with trying to get retribution on Marchand for his hit on Salo or anything else he's done. The Boston players step in and defend him so you can't directly attack him. Same with Keith, everyone gets in the way and Keith does his slippery best to avoid the pressure.

The difference with Chicago going after Torres? Torres will man up when he does something horrible and fight the first guy who asks.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 12:38 PM

Must be a slow day....... do you remember what happened the last time the Canucks seeked "revenge"?
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:25 PM

LOL at the people saying Keith won't drop his gloves. That shouldn't be an issue, you MAKE him drop his gloves, or pummel him into the ground.

https://www.youtube....h?v=94r8eauXqkU

This is what should have happened.

Boyle started picking on Karlsson, and he had to pay the price annd it wasn't even that serious. Daniel missed plenty of games.

Truly embarrassing, softest team in the league.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:26 PM

agreed more grit and a wolfpack mentality is needed, mess with one , mess with all , like the Leafs showed the Habs last night.
Vandermeer time soon hopefully.
i want a guy that laughs fighting Lucic and drops George Parros in the roster asap.
No offense to Manny but the guy is almost useless, rather have an animal that can intimidaLte and protect.
if we have Kassian,Vandermeer,Volpatti,Wiese in the lineup we're o.k in sandpaper dep't.


We can't have Vandermeer, Volpatti and Weise all in the lineup at the same time. It just means we lose skills with guys like Malhotra, Higgins and Lappy or Hansen out. The Leafs haven't won crap for a long time, so what does it really mean with all their tough guys and truculence? Gillis wants the Canucks to be a skilled team like the old Wings and have a bit of grit but we aren't sacrificing skilled players to add more toughness.

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Booth-Kesler-Kassian
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Hamhuis-Bieksa
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We don't even have room for Weise and Volpatti when Booth and Kesler come back, nevermind having them in the lineup and adding Vandermeer too.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:27 PM

Didn't Keith fight a Sharks player several days ago?
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:30 PM

LOL at the people saying Keith won't drop his gloves. That shouldn't be an issue, you MAKE him drop his gloves, or pummel him into the ground.

https://www.youtube....h?v=94r8eauXqkU

This is what should have happened.


A big, clean hit should've been enough. Unless you mean we should've had someone like Volpatti giving him some cheap shots while he still has his gloves on. Then we would have gotten a 5 minute penalty and maybe an injury to one of our star players when Jamal Mayers comes looking for a payback on one of our star players. Rinse and repeat.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:44 PM

Didn't Keith fight a Sharks player several days ago?

Yeah, he fought Desjardins, but it was sorta his fault (similar to Mitchell hit on Toews) because he gave Mayers a pass when Desjardins was clearly in front of him, resulting in a hard hit.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 02:48 PM

It's about being smart. I think our team is smart enough to make sure nobody got suspended. When you bring up one of our players injuring their hand on Keiths skull, would you not rather have it on Keiths skull then the other no namers Weise or Volpatti have fought this season? Also I don't think there would be a suspension over 1 fight. Yes Keith did avoid getting beat up or getting hit because it was rarely happening... it is pretty easy to avoid a fight when no one is starting a fight with you. Again, this is not just about getting those 2 points, these two teams have a heated rivalry and retribution for injuring one of our stars goes a long way. We've all seen what the hawks can do, they can come back from a 3-0 series and destroy us in 3 straight games only to take us to game 7 over time. I want to put as much fear as possible into the hawks because it really seems like they are not scared of us at all.. why? because we havent given them a reason to. So what now? Sedins have to watch for cheap head shots/ elbows and the hawks dont have to worry about getting hit they can just play their hockey which I should add is dangerously good.


You maybe right about not getting suspended but your going to put us short handed for instigating. And you want to take a chance with the skill players like the Hawks. Add what happens if they scored? It could chance the whole game period. So if you don't want Weise or Volpatti then who would you like to take him on? Bieska? Ok that leaves us a without a top 4 Dmen out for 5 mins at least.
You meantion that its easy to avoid a fight when no one is starting a fight with you is not totally true. If one of our Players went after Keith to start a fight your gonna think Keith will respond or do you think he'll wait for one of his teammates to bail him out? He is an all star Dmen. What are you going to say if one our boys did get into a fight with someone other then Keith and they got the snot beaten out of them . You think Chicago will have more fear of us then? How many super pest have you seen start something and never get into a fight. They're job is get you agitated and get you off your game. Look how many people want to get at Marchant. Do you see him get into a fight? Look what happened after what he did to Salo last year. He had big old Chara and who ever was on the ice wearing black coming to the rescue.
Sorry but right now winning games are more important now then trying to get revenge on something that happened over a year ago in this shorten season.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:08 PM

LOL at the people saying Keith won't drop his gloves. That shouldn't be an issue, you MAKE him drop his gloves, or pummel him into the ground.

https://www.youtube....h?v=94r8eauXqkU

This is what should have happened.

Boyle started picking on Karlsson, and he had to pay the price annd it wasn't even that serious. Daniel missed plenty of games.

Truly embarrassing, softest team in the league.


Softest team in the league is stretching it, I say the only way to truly settle something like this is if Sedin would have challenged Keith himself and that ain't happening.

It's not like bieksa is avenging a dude hitting his wife.
Keith did not hit a woman, he hit a man.
Sedin publicly said there was no hard feelings so that's the end of it.

The Sedins are not like that, and I don't see why that is so hard to understand.
You dam well know they would not encourage revenge.

They are like part of the holy bloodline.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:22 PM

There grown men. Surley they can handle the situation like adults.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 03:42 PM

Hockey is a game of sequential events. Earlier in the game, Daniel clanged Keith in the head with his shoulder pretty good...was it a late hit...maybe.



This was soon followed up with Keith`s hit on Daniel...



It would have been great to deal with the Keith incident as it happened, but it didn`t. It`s time to move on...until his hit on Daniel, Keith didn`t have any real history with these incidents, and hasn`t had any since. And no matter how badly he is goaded, he won`t drop the mitts for this incident.

Hockey is a game of planned and incidental contact...as a team, we`ve given as much as we`ve taken (Matt Cooke; Raffi Torres; way back when -- Hilliard Graves; Tiger Williams). This is hockey...not figure skating, so let`s accept that and move on. We just need to make most of our opportunities to nail Keith every chance we get and make him look over his shoulder everytime he plays against us. And take two points from Chicago every time we play them.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:28 PM

He was expecting it everyone was we will get him when hes not expecting it. I see a huge open ice collision from Kass across the middle in his future. A la WJC
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:33 PM

I think the Nucks have finally learned that getting revenge on the scoreboard is a better means of retribution. I'm glad the Canucks have given up 'gooning' it up with cheap shots and late hits and focused on putting in a solid effort playing hockey in order to exact revenge.

Imagine what may have happened if the team would have turned all their efforts towards playing hockey against the Bruins in the SCF. Instead they were coerced into focusing on physical retaliation and we all know how far that got them.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:35 PM

Ya puck possession is way over rated, I'll take a goon that runs around looking for something to hit for 2-3 minutes a game over puck possession anyday. :picard:


I'll take Malhotra and his one eye over a Brandon Bollig and his 0 points in 24 games any day. He's only in the NHL because he can fight, not because he can play hockey very well.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:50 PM

Teams playing good so you gotta go back a few games to find something to complain about, eh?

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 04:54 PM

I really felt something should have been done about the Keith hit on Sedin. Losing a shot at the cup should be something to inspire a certain level of angst at the very least within the players of the team.

And of course no one wants a Bertuzzi situation again. Stating that is a massive slippery slope. Yes that Bertuzzi fiasco cost us a run at the cup.

However, Bertuzzi deserves everything he gets, because we all know you can't punch people in the back of the head. Such cowardly actions should be punished. If Bertuzzi had any brains at all, he would have spun Moore to face him, or let him go and wait for another time.

A straight up fair fight with Keith and one of our tougher players would be 5 min each for fighting, and thats how this should be handled. End of story.
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:21 PM

I remember I bunch of Canucks were going after Keith in the same game that he cheapshotted Daniel. The only difference between the Torres situation and the Keith situation is that Torres answered the bell while Keith spent the remainder of that game hiding behind his teammates and the refs. How are you supposed to fight a guy that refuses to answer for his actions?
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:34 PM

We did go after him, clearly he was the one Bieksa and Burrows were after. Also, anyone notice that knee to the groin? Burrows :lol: (Starts @ 7:54)



At this point in the season, there's no point to go after him aggressively, the hatred is long gone. The Sedins still throw a few bumps though, and they never go after anyone. (Starts @ 1:34)



Point being, we did go after him and proved our point. We're not going to go out and injure the guy, we're not Chicago or Boston, that's a pathetic way to play. All this shows is how much better we handled the situation.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 05:56 PM

I agree with the OP. F the 2 points. Its not like we are a bottom feeding team trying to squeak into the playoffs at 8th place where every point matters.
I want Van to scare the sh!t out of Chicago and any other team even thinking about messing with us.

Remember when Lucic ran Miller?
With the addition of the tough guys in Buffalo this year anyone know what happened?
Lucic was too much of a wuss to stand up for his actions so guess who had to answer the bell for Lucic? Our good old friend Shawn Thornton. And guess what John Scott did to him?



Thornton suffered a concussion as a result of Lucic being afraid to stand up for his actions.

I want the Canucks to go after Keith. If Keith wont do it and is hiding behind guys like Stalberg and Kane, I wouldnt mind if Bieksa grabbed Stalberg and Burrows grabbed Kane and we sh!tkicked each of them.

Keith then has to look himself in the mirror and know that his actions and his unwillingness to face the music resulted in his teammates getting beaten up.

Is that too gangster?
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Posted 10 February 2013 - 06:08 PM

Burr and Bieksa went after Keith but, of course, 18 armed guards, a SWAT team, 23 Hawks and 9 officials arrived on the scene to make sure they couldn't do anything. Just Google the images, I'm sure they're there. But Keith's homegirls all circled around him like dumb girls in a high school hallway and he didn't pay the piper as he should have. You're right, but that's just how he was protected.

You're a little late to the dance with this? If you haven't noticed, our team is playing a much tougher/grittier game and it's been effective. How'd the Hawks do against us last game? We out hit them 22-6 (and Keith was a slippery fish but the target on many of those). We also beat them. So they can go around being d bags all they want but it seems their game is a little less effective than it used to be and as long as we beat them, Keith's ugly mug doesn't matter.


I don't think you're understanding this quite fully. It's about sending a message. Asking him to a fight isn't going to put a fear of God in the man.

LOL at the people saying Keith won't drop his gloves. That shouldn't be an issue, you MAKE him drop his gloves, or pummel him into the ground.

https://www.youtube....h?v=94r8eauXqkU

This is what should have happened.


Exactly. Keith got a free pass. He didn't pay for his actions and the rest of the league sees that and know they can be fairly comfortable in taking liberties with our stars. It's not about vengeance or wanting to see Keith suffer, at least for me because, honestly, he's one of my favorite defensemen. It's to do with how we're perceived.

With regards to hitting- it's not about volume. In the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals, we had a comparable number of hits to the Bruins, even out hitting them in some games. Yet it was crystal clear which team was more debilitated, and more intimidated, at the end. Frankly, hitting a lot isn't going to help us. The bouncing off people that Dale Weise does that ends up being tallied as a hit in the box score intimidates no one. It's the force of the hits that matter, how much damage they do.

We don't hit hard enough to intimidate.

That fact means that we can't rely on our hitting as an effective deterrent to the rats of the league. But you know what facet of the game exists for this purpose? Fighting. The very reason fighting is still in the game is for this purpose. We needed to jump Keith, and let the league know that we are not to be messed with. For the time being, the label of 'pushovers' is still firmly attached to this team.

Edited by bardown, 10 February 2013 - 06:10 PM.

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