Jump to content

Welcome to canucks.com Vancouver Canucks homepage

Photo
- - - - -

Is Roberto Luongo In His Prime Now?


  • Please log in to reply
70 replies to this topic

#1 DownUndaCanuck

DownUndaCanuck

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,299 posts
  • Joined: 28-July 07

Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:17 AM

*
POPULAR

Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread, it's something no one has even mentioned or discussed yet.

Right now, Luongo sits at 2nd in all of the league in terms of GAA and Save % at career bests of 1.53 and 0.940 respectively. Sure, he's only played a handful of games, but the last time he went through a stretch better than this was the 2 consecutive seasons where he put up 3 shutouts in a row.

So is Luongo just starting to hit his prime this season? He's only 33 years old, which is usually around the time goaltenders tend to hit their best patches of play. It historically takes far longer for goalies to hit their prime than skaters, and Luongo is bang in that goalie-prime age. Brodeur is 40 now but had his best-ever season when he was 34 (48 wins, an NHL record). Tim Thomas had one of the best seasons ever by a goaltender after a few ups-and-downs in his career when he was 36.

Now we've all seen how good Luongo was in the first season here in Vancouver, putting up record numbers and carrying a very bad team to the playoffs. He was fairly consistent after that, but now that he's coming into his prime he's putting up numbers far greater than ever before. The characteristic slow starts for this guy are over, and this could be a sign of things to come.

Obviously it would be the worst move in hockey if MG were to trade Luongo during the prime of his career - trading an all-time top 10 NHL goaltender at any time would be a mistake, let alone in his prime. So my question is, is he just starting to play the best hockey of his career or is that long gone and over?
  • 8
Posted Image

#2 PlayStation

PlayStation

    XBox

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 9,282 posts
  • Joined: 12-April 08

Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:32 AM

Eh his 48 wins he got were in 78 games played. Luongo had 47 wins that same year in 76 games played.
Too bad Luongo wont be getting nearly the same percentage of games this year.

As far as being in his prime, I dont know, goalies are extremely unpredicatble and some seem to stay in their prime forever... cough cough the great Brodeur. I dont think we'll ever be able to pin point the time where he was in his prime, but rather his numbers will stay some what steady till the end of his career.
  • 0
Posted Image


"Real Men" :bigblush:

#3 Robongo

Robongo

    Canucks Third-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 3,666 posts
  • Joined: 28-October 06

Posted 11 February 2013 - 02:45 AM

Yes he's at the end of his prime IMO. You say it would be bad for MG to trade him in his prime..i think the complete opposite..His value wont be higher and if he declines even a bit we'll be stuck with that contract. I love Lu, my fave nuck for a long time but its best for the team and Lu if we went our separate ways.
  • 2
Posted Image
Posted Image
Thanks R.Luongo. for the sig!=)

#4 Smashian Kassian

Smashian Kassian

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 14,349 posts
  • Joined: 10-June 10

Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:09 AM

*
POPULAR

He has been in his prime for a long time, and he still is in it.

Make no mistake about it though, Lu is still the one going, Cory has just entered his prime, is already at Lu's level (ability wise) and still has upside.

It would be a big mistake to trade Cory.
  • 18

zackass.png


#5 King Heffy

King Heffy

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 8,740 posts
  • Joined: 12-April 10

Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:12 AM

*
POPULAR

His prime was before the groin injury against the Penguins. He hasn't been quite the same ever since and belly flops too often when trying to move laterally.

Edited by Number14, 11 February 2013 - 03:13 AM.

  • 10

KcJJSvD.jpg

 

Put Gino in the ROH


#6 GLASSJAW

GLASSJAW

    LEGENDARY POSER

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,923 posts
  • Joined: 21-February 04

Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:16 AM

*
POPULAR

Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread, it's something no one has even mentioned or discussed yet.


Obviously it would be the worst move in hockey if MG were to trade Luongo during the prime of his career - trading an all-time top 10 NHL goaltender at any time would be a mistake, let alone in his prime. So my question is, is he just starting to play the best hockey of his career or is that long gone and over?


mhm
  • 11

marge.jpg
 
i'm not alone; i'll never be
 


#7 frazzY

frazzY

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,390 posts
  • Joined: 02-November 09

Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:18 AM

His prime was before the groin injury against the Penguins. He hasn't been quite the same ever since and belly flops too often when trying to move laterally.


everyone says this about Lou, lots of goalies do it... watch johnathan quick play or most goalies. its very easy to pick apart and be nit picky.
  • 1

#8 Vancouver's comeback

Vancouver's comeback

    K-Wing Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 68 posts
  • Joined: 20-January 13

Posted 11 February 2013 - 03:19 AM

Goalies generally peak around 27/28 years old. There are some goalies out there however, that are capable of extending great play through their 30's. Though he continues to play well, Roberto certainly is not peaking now. I'd argue that he hasn't been the same goalie since the 08-09 season.

Anyways, this is only a thinly veiled Luongo trade thread, just another premise upon which you are positing that Gillis should not trade Luongo.
  • 0
#BOSTONSTRONG
Hit first, ask questions second
Posted Image

#9 RockNroLLa.

RockNroLLa.

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,074 posts
  • Joined: 12-November 11

Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:11 AM

His prime was before the groin injury against the Penguins. He hasn't been quite the same ever since and belly flops too often when trying to move laterally.


I would say before the Hawks. That series really affected him mentally. Also this is another disguised thread by downunda, that cunning fellow. :)

He clearly forgot to notice the fact that Lu plays well during the regular season. Also the fact that if his numbers are slightly better than his already good regular season numbers from previous seasons, its because he is playing with less pressure knowing that he will be traded soon. Might I add we are also playing a more conservative game right now with 2/3 of our second line missing, which helps both goalies' numbers.

Anyways what I really wanted to say was ibtl? :)
  • 1

#10 rb4u

rb4u

    Comets Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 296 posts
  • Joined: 01-July 11

Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:13 AM

Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread...

Obviously it would be the worst move in hockey if MG were to trade Luongo during the prime of his career - trading an all-time top 10 NHL goaltender at any time would be a mistake, let alone in his prime. So my question is, is he just starting to play the best hockey of his career or is that long gone and over?


:picard:
  • 1

#11 geebster

geebster

    Comets Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 190 posts
  • Joined: 02-August 07

Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

*
POPULAR

He has been in his prime for a long time, and he still is in it.

Make no mistake about it though, Lu is still the one going, Cory has just entered his prime, is already at Lu's level (ability wise) and still has upside.

It would be a big mistake to trade Cory.


It would be pretty hard to argue conclusively that Cory is at any established goalie's level or even in his prime til he actually plays a full season. It's just a guess. I am very confident he will play lights out, enter into his prime and establish himself enough for people to speculate on whether he is on Luongo's or Rinne's or Lundqvist's or whomever's level, but I cannot KNOW that at this stage.

Anyone who has an appreciation for statistics would understand that although Schneider is extremely talented and will very likely post amazing number from here on, it is no guarantee, nor does it prove to any degree that he is on any elite goalie's level.

I in no way doubt Cory, but to say from an objective point of view he is on any elite goalie's level is absurd at this stage, and it is equally fallacious to argue that he is in his prime (when prime is actually defined by the best playing stretch of a player's career, and therefore can only be judged with a decent sample size). Sample size matters.

To further clarify, if I said Lundqvist is on Brodeur's level ability wise, the question then posed to me would be "How do you know that?". Which would then be followed by point to point comparisons with regards to their careers. Schneider just does not have much of a body of work as of yet to do such a comparison, and even if you were to make a few good points with regards to his style etc, your argument's certainty would still be predicated on and limited by his as of yet short career.

I've seen you say this many times now (*is a perpetual lurker*) and it just is not an objective statement by any stretch of the imagination. If you define "prime" as merely an age group, then your statement stands there, but the ability comparison is garbage.

/endrant

To the OP: Luongo is definitely still in his prime. As of yet it is impossible to know if he is going to decline, hold on, or even have some better years. Goalies are weird that way. I do think though that given how good the Canucks are, and how Cory has handled thus far, even if he has an adjustment period with taking over as the starter he is probably the guy to go with. Don't get me wrong, Lou could easily backstop this team (as he has for so long) for the forseeable future, but the way things have panned out it is probably best that he gets a fresh start somewhere else and Cory is given the reins. One would think that with the team we have the risks are minimal going with the younger Schneider.

Lou is more proven, but given the overall context of the team and the events that have unfolded, we have to go with Cory. We will be fine.
  • 7

#12 Noheart

Noheart

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,810 posts
  • Joined: 01-June 12

Posted 11 February 2013 - 04:46 AM

*
POPULAR

Posted Image

Edited by Noheart, 11 February 2013 - 05:27 AM.

  • 8
Posted Image

BEASTLY!!!

#13 DownUndaCanuck

DownUndaCanuck

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 12,299 posts
  • Joined: 28-July 07

Posted 11 February 2013 - 05:06 AM

Well so far Luongo is putting up career numbers that are smashing his past season's averages, so what's not to say that this season will be his best? The way it's going right now, Luongo is primed for a season like none other he's had.

Now in terms of a trade, doesn't it seem rediculous to trade one of the league's best goalies, especially when he's having a personal career best year? You win Cups with goalies who are in their prime - look at what Thomas did. He had a few good seasons, didn't win cups, and had a few really bad seasons where Rask challenged him for the #1 spot. Then he put it all together, drew on his past experiences and put together one of the greatest goaltending performances in NHL history.

The way it's going right now, Luongo is headed down this exact same path. His situation right now is eerily similar to the one Thomas was in when he knocked Rask off his #1 position and carried the Bruins to the Cup, which is why I think we should hold off a goalie trade for now, purely because Luongo is putting together "one of those seasons".
  • 2
Posted Image

#14 nuck nit

nuck nit

    Canucks Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 7,933 posts
  • Joined: 27-June 10

Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:17 AM

Cory has just entered his prime, is already at Lu's level (ability wise) and still has upside.

Cory has no body of work to suggest he is at Luo's level.
Luo is entering the sweet spot,where he is emotionally and mentally mature.
Cory is a very mature young man ,but not tested as a #1 and even this year,when he was the #1 he still took a back seat to Luo as he put the ballast on the team's play.
Luo has done that every year he has been here and Cory,when faced with the pressure of #1 minutes and responsibilities,is yet to have proven anything.
Luo may be the one going,but so is the stability this team has enjoyed for six seasons now.
  • 0

#15 Jester13

Jester13

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,821 posts
  • Joined: 30-August 09

Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:41 AM

So can we all just agree that this is just a bunch of speculation? Like it ALWAYS is? Just once I would love to see a thread in hindsight. #JustSaying
  • 1

"Education is the inoculator for ignorance."


#16 babych

babych

    Canucks Regular

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,201 posts
  • Joined: 12-April 08

Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:57 AM

I think his play is influenced more by the fact that he has no pressure and is just having fun again.
  • 0
QUOTE
(shiznak@Jun 17 2008, 08:00 PM)
Kesler was lucky to score 20 this year since the injury to Morrison allowed him to do so.

I doubt Kesler would ever break 15 goals in his career again.

#17 TotesMagotes

TotesMagotes

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,276 posts
  • Joined: 29-November 07

Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:34 AM

Im torn between Schneider and Luongo, i feel like a young naive immature highschool kid trying to choose which girl i wanna date more.

Either way, its never a bad problem to have. ;)
  • 0
Posted Image

#18 riffraff

riffraff

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,124 posts
  • Joined: 10-April 07

Posted 11 February 2013 - 08:57 AM

Op,

I bought this truck once for 1600$.....I drove the crap out of it, worked it into the ground and generally just beat on it....it ended up sitting in the back lot not starting.....it was sold to a mechanic for 435$

I bought another truck with a stronger motor but a little rougher around the edges for a 1000$....drove the crap out if it including a cross border roadie, worked it into the ground and seriously beat the crap out if it....the truck was three years younger than the first one and when I sold it a year later I got my full 1000$ back.

True story.
  • 0
Posted Image


CanucksSayEh, on 12 March 2013 - 10:12 PM, said:
When the playoffs come around, nobody is scared of getting in a fight, but every night, they get their mom to check under the bed for Raffi Torres.

#19 ahf149

ahf149

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,880 posts
  • Joined: 26-December 06

Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:34 AM

Dont know if hes in his prime, but whatever he did in the offseason has made him a great goalie again. He said he was working with his goalie coach in Florida 4 days a week. He had the extra benefit of the lock out to work on his stuff. He seems way more confident, hes not flopping down. hes better positionally. He definitely worked on his shoot out positioning. The thought of losing your starting job also motivates you. I think he just became way to comfortable as a starting goalie...I agree he hasnt been the same since that Pittsburgh game, and he was apparently injured during the finals, but the Canucks never said anything because they didnt want to use it as an excuse.

He looks healthy, sharp, confident. I want to keep him till the end of the playoffs. Win our cup, like my Quji board said we would when i was 15 (18 years ago)...in 2013. His value will be really high then. We will get something good for him. Gillis is smart, I trust he will make the right decision.
  • 0
Life is short, LIVE IT

#20 Salmon Arm Canuck

Salmon Arm Canuck

    Comets Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 979 posts
  • Joined: 07-September 08

Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:50 AM

It has been said before....here it is being said again.....

Luongo is a great goalie. Cory is a great goalie. Cory's career GAA and save percentage is better than Lu's GAA and save percentage as a Canucks goaltender in front of the same team. Cory is six years younger and 1.3 million dollars cheaper. And, despite what other posters feel, Cory has been tested in key games over the last two years. He is ready not only to be a #1 goaltender but an excellent number #1 goaltender.

I defended Lu to the hilt on these boards for years. He's worthy of it. I wish him the best wherever he goes. The only issue that I hope is that GM MG can get back just as good quality in a trade as we're giving. This is where it could be a challenge because, considering Lu has been a part of the core of this team for six years, we should be getting back somebody that should be part of this core for the next six years moving forward.
  • 1

#21 D-Money

D-Money

    Canucks Franchise Player

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 13,137 posts
  • Joined: 14-February 06

Posted 11 February 2013 - 09:51 AM

Most goalies decline in their mid-30's. If Luongo hasn't yet GREAT - but we should trade him before he does.
  • 0
Posted Image

#22 Westcoasting

Westcoasting

    Canucks Prospect

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,341 posts
  • Joined: 29-March 10

Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:18 AM

Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread, it's something no one has even mentioned or discussed yet


Give it up, this is totally about being a Luongo trade thread it just has your creative way of getting to the point. Could you not put this in one of the other Luongo trade threads?
  • 0

#23 pwnstar

pwnstar

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,311 posts
  • Joined: 20-January 10

Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:31 AM

Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread, it's something no one has even mentioned or discussed yet.

Right now, Luongo sits at 2nd in all of the league in terms of GAA and Save % at career bests of 1.53 and 0.940 respectively. Sure, he's only played a handful of games, but the last time he went through a stretch better than this was the 2 consecutive seasons where he put up 3 shutouts in a row.

So is Luongo just starting to hit his prime this season? He's only 33 years old, which is usually around the time goaltenders tend to hit their best patches of play. It historically takes far longer for goalies to hit their prime than skaters, and Luongo is bang in that goalie-prime age. Brodeur is 40 now but had his best-ever season when he was 34 (48 wins, an NHL record). Tim Thomas had one of the best seasons ever by a goaltender after a few ups-and-downs in his career when he was 36.

Now we've all seen how good Luongo was in the first season here in Vancouver, putting up record numbers and carrying a very bad team to the playoffs. He was fairly consistent after that, but now that he's coming into his prime he's putting up numbers far greater than ever before. The characteristic slow starts for this guy are over, and this could be a sign of things to come.

Obviously it would be the worst move in hockey if MG were to trade Luongo during the prime of his career - trading an all-time top 10 NHL goaltender at any time would be a mistake, let alone in his prime. So my question is, is he just starting to play the best hockey of his career or is that long gone and over?


,

His prime was before the groin injury against the Penguins. He hasn't been quite the same ever since and belly flops too often when trying to move laterally.


  • 1

Posted Image


#24 Kumquats

Kumquats

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,438 posts
  • Joined: 05-July 08

Posted 11 February 2013 - 10:41 AM

Posted Image
  • 1
Posted Image

#25 smurf47

smurf47

    Canucks Rookie

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,948 posts
  • Joined: 01-April 10

Posted 11 February 2013 - 11:41 AM

I think his play is influenced more by the fact that he has no pressure and is just having fun again.

Teams are also playing to Lou's strengths...to his glove and from outside. Lou struggles more when teams crash the net and scrambles in front, and the defense are playing better in tight. I believe hes getting fewer difficult shots than last season.
  • 0

#26 elvis15

elvis15

    Canucks Hall-of-Famer

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 21,511 posts
  • Joined: 27-February 07

Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:24 PM

Firstly, this is not another Luongo trade thread, it's something no one has even mentioned or discussed yet.
...

Let me stop you right there.

Of the 5 different versions of Luongo discussion threads, each of the previous 4 containing ~100 pages and the current one having 83, Luongo's current stats, previous stats and future stats are mentioned at least once every 5 pages or so. Most times, the question of Luongo's stats and ability as a results (prime, on the decline, only getting better) gets mentioned multiple times a page.

Posted Image

Considering all the various opinions on Luongo, it's been discussed and will continue being discussed. But I can definitely see how the discussion in this thread is different from the Luongo Discussion thread.

Sooo, about Luongo eh? He's likely been in his prime for the past few years and may have a decline in the next few years as the majority of goalies do past 35. Then again, maybe not, and this small sample size could actually mean something. Or it could just be he's better rested or trained differently and will even out to stats closer to his career average. Or he'll get traded to Florida and they'll still not be very good because they have other problems.

Then there's Schneider, he could continue to improve and develop into a top starter able to handle 60-70% of the games and win a Vezina. Or he could be pretty decent, or have issues with more starts, or have a career ending injury next week.

But hey, there's no way we'd know right? Or else we'd surely tell Gillis and get hired on as the most amazing hockey future predictor even and make a bunch of money. Then we'd be in our prime, never mind Luongo!

Edited by elvis15, 11 February 2013 - 12:31 PM.

  • 0

c3c9e9.pnganimalhousesig.jpg

Tanev is going to EDM. I can put my life savings down on it

 


#27 Kumquats

Kumquats

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,438 posts
  • Joined: 05-July 08

Posted 11 February 2013 - 12:50 PM

Posted Image
  • 1
Posted Image

#28 meh_wassup

meh_wassup

    Comets Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 666 posts
  • Joined: 14-March 12

Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:06 PM

You say the same thing every single day

over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and overover and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over

again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again.


over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and overover and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over over and over and over

again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again again and again and again.

that is literally all i see.


so do you...
  • 0

Charlotte-McKinney-21-155x160.jpg


#29 Erik Karlsson

Erik Karlsson

    Canucks Second-Line

  • Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 4,825 posts
  • Joined: 24-March 09

Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:14 PM

Man do you even watch any games? All you say is how Luongo is god and how Schneider sucks and will never come close to him everyday.

Lu was in his prime when he got here which is quite obvious. You can't play as good as he did when he first got here and not be in your prime....

Trading Lu in his prime wouldn't be close to the worst trade in hockey.... it's called being smart since he's near the end of his prime and Schneider is just entering his.
  • 0

m97o1w.jpg

Credit to Parise11


#30 iamacanuck15

iamacanuck15

    K-Wing Star

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 58 posts
  • Joined: 26-October 11

Posted 11 February 2013 - 01:19 PM

AV might think so. He starts tomorrow.
  • 0

Posted Image









0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Canucks.com is the official Web site of The Vancouver Canucks. The Vancouver Canucks and Canucks.com are trademarks of The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership.  NHL and the word mark and image of the Stanley Cup are registered trademarks and the NHL Shield and NHL Conference logos are trademarks of the National Hockey League. All NHL logos and marks and NHL team logos and marks as well as all other proprietary materials depicted herein are the property of the NHL and the respective NHL teams and may not be reproduced without the prior written consent of NHL Enterprises, L.P.  Copyright © 2009 The Vancouver Canucks Limited Partnership and the National Hockey League.  All Rights Reserved.