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#31 yawn.3x

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 09:15 PM

Ok so i didn't read the entire thing but let me point something out. It says in the bible that you should deal with paranormal and the dead. Leave the dead dead as they are separated from the living for a reason. Now of course this isn't exactly what it says and i can't remember what verse it was but that could be part of his reaction.

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I found some verses such as

Leviticus 19:31 Do not turn to mediums or seek out spiritists, for you will be defiled by them. I am the Lord you God.

Leviticus 20:27 Men and women among you who act as mediums or psychics must be put to death by stoning. They are guilty of a capital offense.

1 Chronicles 10:13-14 Saul died because he was unfaithful to the LORD; he did not keep the word of the LORD and even consulted a medium for guidance, and did not inquire of the LORD. So the LORD put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse.

Not sure if this answers what you are asking but it should help


I guess it kind of helps? All i'm getting from that (mind you I'm no expert in interpreting the bible, or whichever scripture that's from) is that yeah it makes sense you can't watch watch horror movies with demons because it will defile you; but then wouldn't playing a video game defile you too? They might be animated, but theres still spirits and ghosts/demons, Undead, and even references to the bible.

And going into playing those games, you know theres undead, demons, etc... so why is it okay to play THAT game in your head/faith/mindset/whatever, but not okay to watch horror movies?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:15 PM

Even if they strangely believe the bible isn't fiction, they should at least understand that horror film is, and not take it so seriously. Their inability to do so seems like it will become an imposition upon future discussions/endeavors, which is why I don't befriend the type of religious nuts that act like this.

Edited by zaibatsu, 17 February 2013 - 10:17 PM.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:28 PM

I think you need new friends.


I think i'm starting to agree with you...
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:43 PM

Jesus is my saviour, not my religion.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 10:52 PM

Jesus is my meme, not my religion.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:07 PM

I think i'm starting to agree with you...


i don't know man, to me it sounded like you and the guy are pretty tight friends despite differences of opinion. or if not tight friends, at least authentic friends.
and that's the problem with Christians generally, they come off as completely inauthentic (ie: hypocritical) and then try to make you feel crappy that you don't hold to the same standard that they do.
Sounds to me like your buddy is struggling to align his life with a standard that he believes is correct (albeit imperfectly, and perhaps baby-stepping towards "un-hypocritical-ness"?) but ISN'T turning into a total douchebag as it relates to you and your friendship.
At the same time, it seems like you're a good enough friend to cut him slack while he's trying to figure out what's right and wrong for himself (even if it doesn't make sense to you).
Sounds to me like your buddy is a better "Christian" than the Christians most people have experienced, and you're a better "heathen" than simply dismissing him outright because he's setting his life up a certain way.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:10 PM

lies

Hypocritical religous influence obviously subverting his physcie already.

Just one question; your friend actually uses LOL in conversation?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:20 PM

i don't know man, to me it sounded like you and the guy are pretty tight friends despite differences of opinion. or if not tight friends, at least authentic friends.
and that's the problem with Christians generally, they come off as completely inauthentic (ie: hypocritical) and then try to make you feel crappy that you don't hold to the same standard that they do.
Sounds to me like your buddy is struggling to align his life with a standard that he believes is correct (albeit imperfectly, and perhaps baby-stepping towards "un-hypocritical-ness"?) but ISN'T turning into a total douchebag as it relates to you and your friendship.
At the same time, it seems like you're a good enough friend to cut him slack while he's trying to figure out what's right and wrong for himself (even if it doesn't make sense to you).
Sounds to me like your buddy is a better "Christian" than the Christians most people have experienced, and you're a better "heathen" than simply dismissing him outright because he's setting his life up a certain way.


Well thought out answer.

I started to think the same way. It almost seems as if he's trying to force it onto himself. I mean sometimes he tries to shove his religion on to me, and I can joke around with it sometimes. like; "Don't worry dude. I'll go make an appointment to talk to God and make sure he's cool with you playing video games." and he'll laugh along with the joke too.

But he'll slip up and occasionally shoot a.. rude remark? like the "I wish you would put your faith in somebody else"

another time he asked if I wanted to go to a church session? It wasn't church but like a group where they read a part of the bible and then translate that part into modern language, and I was working during the times of it and he said "if you truly believed and cared you would of made time" and "Somebody at the group said almost the same thing as you (was to busy to go to the group because of work/school/sports) and died a few weeks later of a heart attack."

Usually I just let it slide, he's been my bud since like grade 5 and I respect everyones opinions and beliefs, but this latest development, i'm trying to view it through his eyes, and another person linked part of the bible where it says its wrong; yet he still plays video games but won't watch horror movies so it confuses me.

As for the he's a better "Christian" then most; when he found out 2 of his friends were brought up Catholic; he refused to talk to them. He didn't hate them or have anything against them as people, but he couldn't "Stand to be around Catholics because it just infuriated him"

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:20 PM

I'd understand that, but he's ALWAYS the one who's watched horror movies. The ring, The ring 2, The grudge, Amittyville, like the list goes on and on, so I don't think that's the case.


As a horror fanatic, I should point out that the PA series isn't really the same genre as these other movies. They are hyper realistic 'found footage' movies, ie. same class as Blair Witch Project. Maybe your friend has a harder time justifying watching them because they're not so escapist.

Of course they're also, in my opinion, much scarier than the movies you named. So your friend could be scared to watch them and hiding behind the religious excuse.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:24 PM

Hypocritical religous influence obviously subverting his physcie already.

Just one question; your friend actually uses LOL in conversation?


Not in a face to face conversation but through text he will.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:32 PM

Basically, what I read was:

Irony, irony, irony.

Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy.


Did I miss anything?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:43 PM

Basically, what I read was:

Irony, irony, irony.

Hypocrisy, hypocrisy, hypocrisy.


Did I miss anything?

I'd add "odd imposition of beliefs upon things that have little relevance to reality".
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 11:46 PM

Well thought out answer.

I started to think the same way. It almost seems as if he's trying to force it onto himself. I mean sometimes he tries to shove his religion on to me, and I can joke around with it sometimes. like; "Don't worry dude. I'll go make an appointment to talk to God and make sure he's cool with you playing video games." and he'll laugh along with the joke too.

But he'll slip up and occasionally shoot a.. rude remark? like the "I wish you would put your faith in somebody else"

another time he asked if I wanted to go to a church session? It wasn't church but like a group where they read a part of the bible and then translate that part into modern language, and I was working during the times of it and he said "if you truly believed and cared you would of made time" and "Somebody at the group said almost the same thing as you (was to busy to go to the group because of work/school/sports) and died a few weeks later of a heart attack."

Usually I just let it slide, he's been my bud since like grade 5 and I respect everyones opinions and beliefs, but this latest development, i'm trying to view it through his eyes, and another person linked part of the bible where it says its wrong; yet he still plays video games but won't watch horror movies so it confuses me.

As for the he's a better "Christian" then most; when he found out 2 of his friends were brought up Catholic; he refused to talk to them. He didn't hate them or have anything against them as people, but he couldn't "Stand to be around Catholics because it just infuriated him"


As far as the rude remark, it could be that he meant it in a self-deprecating way, but most likely meant he wished you would put your faith in God. That's not a bad thing if you can view it from his perspective. Sure, Christians can be overbearing at times, but it's not like he's sharing with you to fill up some type of "Good Christian Card". If he truly believes that he's following the truth, it's only natural that he would hope that the people he cares about get "saved".
Sounds like he has some more growing up to do as well, but don't we all ... as far as inconsistencies, sometimes it's just takes time to iron out all that you believe ... I know I've had beliefs in younger years that I no longer have, and believe stuff now that I didn't before (and certainly have lots of inconsistencies myself, I'm sure!)
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:06 AM

I don't want to come across as rude, but I'm glad that I spend 0% of my day thinking about religion.

I don't need it to be a good person or a happy one.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:35 AM

OP when someone is raised on a certain religion and ends up believing in it, you CANNOT reason with them.
It doesn't matter how many flaws you point out, once they believe in it, it's like talking to someone who refuses to listen to your reasoning.

Your friend seems to be putting his faith above everything else.
This isn't always a bad thing, but he is clearly setting himself limitations and in my humble opinion, that is no way to live your life.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 04:15 AM

Nothing to be confused about with religion it is a control mechanism

"The tendency to turn human judgments into divine commands makes religion one of the most dangerous forces in the world.”

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 05:48 AM

Your friend said "lol" out loud?
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:51 AM

I would kindly ask your friend if he can set aside his religion while hanging out with you. No references, no "wish you'd put your faith..." comments etc.

In exchange, you promise not to poke holes in his little fairy tales and hypocrisy and you two can just be friends and continue to enjoy each other's company.

It's a two way street, if he doesn't respect your religious beliefs (or lack thereof), he doesn't deserve yours back regarding his.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 10:54 AM

I would kindly ask your friend if he can set aside his religion while hanging out with you. No references, no "wish you'd put your faith..." comments etc.

In exchange, you promise not to poke holes in his little fairy tales and hypocrisy and you two can just be friends and continue to enjoy each other's company.

It's a two way street, if he doesn't respect your religious beliefs (or lack thereof), he doesn't deserve yours back regarding his.

No it cannot be a two-way street because of this basic religious equation.

Religion = Good

No religion/atheism/agnosticism = Bad
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:10 AM

No it cannot be a two-way street because of this basic religious equation.

Religion = Good

No religion/atheism/agnosticism = Bad


Well then that would be the OP's friend's call. If they can not set aside their religion for the sake of their friendship, then it wasn't much of a friendship to begin with. It's also not a very "Christian" attitude.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:17 AM

I would kindly ask your friend if he can set aside his religion while hanging out with you. No references, no "wish you'd put your faith..." comments etc.

In exchange, you promise not to poke holes in his little fairy tales and hypocrisy and you two can just be friends and continue to enjoy each other's company.

It's a two way street, if he doesn't respect your religious beliefs (or lack thereof), he doesn't deserve yours back regarding his.


Yeah...cause it's really "respectful" telling your friend that he believes in "fairy tales" and is a "hypocrite"....

Actually, that doesn't sound respectful at all - sounds hypocritical and hateful.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:40 AM

Yeah...cause it's really "respectful" telling your friend that he believes in "fairy tales" and is a "hypocrite"....

Actually, that doesn't sound respectful at all - sounds hypocritical and hateful.


Tit for tat? If it quacks like a duck? :lol:

And for the record it's neither. They ARE fairy tales and his friend IS being hypocritical. If he doesn't want it pointed out to him then he should KEEP HIS PERSONAL RELIGION TO HIS OWN PERSON. When you attempt to force you're religious beliefs and hypocrisy on others you best be prepared to defend them and for the appropriate backlash of facts and common sense on the other side.

Besides, I didn't say he had to word it like that, those are my words. :P By all means, let your friend know he's being a disrespectful, delusional hypocrite more "gently" OP ;)

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 11:58 AM

Tit for tat? If it quacks like a duck? :lol:

And for the record it's neither. They ARE fairy tales and his friend IS being hypocritical. If he doesn't want it pointed out to him then he should KEEP HIS PERSONAL RELIGION TO HIS OWN PERSON. When you attempt to force you're religious beliefs and hypocrisy on others you best be prepared to defend them and for the appropriate backlash of facts and common sense on the other side.

Besides, I didn't say he had to word it like that, those are my words. :P By all means, let your friend know he's being a disrespectful, delusional hypocrite more "gently" OP ;)


Uh huh. :picard:
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 12:06 PM

Uh huh. :picard:


Glad you agree/are starting to come around to logic and facts.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

Wait, so no one has mentioned if god is real or not!??
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:17 PM

Wait, so no one has mentioned if god is real or not!??


Please locate the specific god we're talking about here and then we can discuss it.

http://www.godfinder.org/
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:18 PM

Surprised it's gone this far without a religious "war" breaking out.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 01:20 PM

Wait, so no one has mentioned if god is real or not!??

If you don't believe in God, just add another 'O' and believe in the power of Good.

Anyways to the topic it hand: I am not religious in any sense of the word but these horror movies are garbage. They are basically the excrement of human thoughts put onto paper and then made into a movie. I personally have no desire to see any in the slightest. In the sense of human psychology, there can be nothing of value obtained by watching people killed for the sake of killing or torture.

People make these movies and then wonder how come people actually commit acts similar to what is shown. Obviously we can't just blame the movie or the video game or whatever, but for someone with already psychopathic issues these things may trigger a complete desenitivity to it all.

If you enjoy it... whatever. I just wish they wouldn't air the commercials for these stupid movies during Canucks games.

My own personal belief is that after we die we may be left with just our own consiousness and the contents of it (not saying this is for sure the case but makes more sense to me the heaven vs. hell) I personally don't want the images shown in these movies to permeate my thoughts, especially if it turns out I will have them for eternity. Otherwise we may just mentally create our own 'heaven or hell'
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 02:59 PM

I would kindly ask your friend if he can set aside his religion while hanging out with you. No references, no "wish you'd put your faith..." comments etc.

In exchange, you promise not to poke holes in his little fairy tales and hypocrisy and you two can just be friends and continue to enjoy each other's company.

It's a two way street, if he doesn't respect your religious beliefs (or lack thereof), he doesn't deserve yours back regarding his.


The interesting thing is he's not calling "not watching horror movies" part of his *Religion*.

He says: "Religion is something you do at church. This is (not watching horror movies) more about my personal relationship with God. Religion is man made, i think, anyways. It's hard to explain I don't know the right words. It's not the religion we believe in, it's Jesus, Faith. Religion is what people call it."


What does that mean? Anybody able to interpret that?
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 03:34 PM

The interesting thing is he's not calling "not watching horror movies" part of his *Religion*.

He says: "Religion is something you do at church. This is (not watching horror movies) more about my personal relationship with God. Religion is man made, i think, anyways. It's hard to explain I don't know the right words. It's not the religion we believe in, it's Jesus, Faith. Religion is what people call it."


What does that mean? Anybody able to interpret that?

Religion is man's way to search for God. Faith is God's way of finding man? Faith is substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen, while religion is a set of rituals and doctorine.

In other words Faith is about your relationship with God or divinity, while Religion is sort of the middle man which instructs you on how to proceed with that relationship.
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