*Buzzsaw* Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 MANAGEMENT Most important Failure Everyone in Vancouver has known for the last 3 years that the Sedins need to get a BIG, TOUGH, SMART, forward with a goal scoring touch to play with them and make space. It's been clear since early in the season that Kassian isn't that player. Mike Gillis had the opportunity to get someone for the playoffs, hell for the season, and he didn't. Instead he got a small, non-physical player in Roy, exactly what the team didn't need. He knew the team is in the last frame of its window to win the cup, it's not getting any younger, and he still fails, when all kinds of other teams around the league were able to succeed. Draft choices??? Sell them, it doesn't matter, get the player you need so you can win NOW. This is the NUMBER ONE reason the team is losing. Other failures: Not keeping/getting some real skilled toughness for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines. Letting Aaron Volpati go is an example. Kassian for Hodgeson: 'Nuff said COACHING Most important failure: You don't have a big tough skilled forward to play with the Sedins, the Sedins are unable to manage defensively in the playoffs, their point production is way down, now even Daniel is refusing to shoot the puck, everybody knows their moves, other teams know that 99% of the time they are going to try to get it to the front of the net where Burrows is, what do you do? Split them up. Match them with two tougher linemates. After all, most lines have only one passer, make a Sedin the passer on two different lines. How about Burrows, Daniel and Kesler??? Or Henrik, Higgins and Hansen? Toughness and skill. But AV does not have the imagination or guts to do this. 2nd most important failure: Edler and Bieksa have been shaky all year, continually making errors and they have zero confidence. WHY ARE THEY PLAYING TOGETHER? Double your trouble??? Get at least one of them off the ice and replace him with Ballard who had a decent season and who has not been nearly as error prone. Or if you want to take a chance and hope that Barker responds to Cup fever, replace both of them, with Ballard and Barker. 3rd Most important failure: The Powerplay Replace Edler on the 1st unit power play with Garrison. Garrison has a better shot, he handles the puck better, and he doesn't make stupid errors defensively. Get a bigger body in front of the net. Burrows may be good at deflecting the puck, but only when he is on his feet, and lately he has been flat on his back or so tied up with the defenceman he can't even wave at the puck. The body should be either Kesler, Higgins or Kassian, I lean to Kassian or Higgins, since Kesler has the wicked one timer from the half circle, but whoever it is just has to be able to stand up to the battering and stay on his feet. Change the personel in front of the net till you get someone who can stay there. Hell, even Sestito, EVEN Edler. (that's one place where we don't have to worry about him coughing up the puck) But no, AV doesn't have the imagination or guts. I could go on, and I'm sure others can add... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted May 6, 2013 Author Share Posted May 6, 2013 Interested to hear the comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Magician Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 HAHA this thread is so lonely. Only solution is to make CDC the owner, GM, and coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Ed Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 I agree that there has been a failure at the top. However I'm not sure that changes are needed. Mistakes were made but underneath there was still a lot of success in recent years. What I would like to see is an acknowledgement of those failures by management. Then to hear of a clear cut plan on turning this team back in the right direction. Also the goalie controversy has to be over by next season. As I have already mentioned a few times. One reason for the failure was the need to get bigger and tougher after the Boston series. This diminished our scoring ability and the Hodgson trade is a good example of that. During the offseason one of our goalies should be traded for an offensive player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JelloIce Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 As far as I'm concerned, AV's coaching system can turn Kassian from a developing power forward into a stay at home defenceman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Killer Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Mismanagement of assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Luongo 5.2m (Backup) Ballard 4.2m as a depth defenceman on the team that AV doesn't even use. Booth 4.2m who was suppose to be a top 6 forward.... Malhotra 2.5m - Why didn't we just buy him out in the summer or traded him if Gillis didn't plan on playing him? Raymond 2.5m - He should've been dealt at the deadline when his stock was high. Another missed opportunity by the genius management. That's 18m of our salary......... Failure to re-sign Torres because he dared ask for a 700k raise and an extra year that he earned. Then Gillis tried to trade a pick to get him at the deadline?! horrible management. Then after Torres debacle, he goes on a 4th line shopping spree signing borderline AHLers Ebbett, Duco, Pinozotto, Wiese to replace what Torres gave us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterBean Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Some of AV's countless mistakes was having Edler on the 1st unit instead of Garrison and pairing Edler with Bieksa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Why is anyone surprised at the current state of affairs? We have a team that other than for a handful of legitimate NHL stars is stocked full of third line forwards and 2nd/3rd pairing defencemen. It's been the Mike Gillis way. He's taken a roster that led the league in most offensive categories and transformed it into a laughing stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 This is what happens when the GM and coach want a team where everyone plays the exact same way. Other teams have actual roles for players. And other teams recognize when certain players are sucking and they give others a chance to step up and contribute in their stead. Av may as well only dress: Sedins, Burrows, Kesler, Hansen, Higgins, Raymond, and Roy at forward and Edler, Bieksa, Hamhuis, and Garrison on defence No one else matters no matter how much those players suck they will never get a chance anyway. It is a major reason this team cannot win or score in the playoffs. They would rather lose with their core playing their system and "hanging in there" with other teams rather than give those doghouse guys a shot to make a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadweed Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 MANAGEMENT Most important Failure Everyone in Vancouver has known for the last 3 years that the Sedins need to get a BIG, TOUGH, SMART, forward with a goal scoring touch to play with them and make space. It's been clear since early in the season that Kassian isn't that player. Mike Gillis had the opportunity to get someone for the playoffs, hell for the season, and he didn't. Instead he got a small, non-physical player in Roy, exactly what the team didn't need. He knew the team is in the last frame of its window to win the cup, it's not getting any younger, and he still fails, when all kinds of other teams around the league were able to succeed. Draft choices??? Sell them, it doesn't matter, get the player you need so you can win NOW. This is the NUMBER ONE reason the team is losing. Other failures: Not keeping/getting some real skilled toughness for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th lines. Letting Aaron Volpati go is an example. Kassian for Hodgeson: 'Nuff said COACHING Most important failure: You don't have a big tough skilled forward to play with the Sedins, the Sedins are unable to manage defensively in the playoffs, their point production is way down, now even Daniel is refusing to shoot the puck, everybody knows their moves, other teams know that 99% of the time they are going to try to get it to the front of the net where Burrows is, what do you do? Split them up. Match them with two tougher linemates. After all, most lines have only one passer, make a Sedin the passer on two different lines. How about Burrows, Daniel and Kesler??? Or Henrik, Higgins and Hansen? Toughness and skill. But AV does not have the imagination or guts to do this. 2nd most important failure: Edler and Bieksa have been shaky all year, continually making errors and they have zero confidence. WHY ARE THEY PLAYING TOGETHER? Double your trouble??? Get at least one of them off the ice and replace him with Ballard who had a decent season and who has not been nearly as error prone. Or if you want to take a chance and hope that Barker responds to Cup fever, replace both of them, with Ballard and Barker. 3rd Most important failure: The Powerplay Replace Edler on the 1st unit power play with Garrison. Garrison has a better shot, he handles the puck better, and he doesn't make stupid errors defensively. Get a bigger body in front of the net. Burrows may be good at deflecting the puck, but only when he is on his feet, and lately he has been flat on his back or so tied up with the defenceman he can't even wave at the puck. The body should be either Kesler, Higgins or Kassian, I lean to Kassian or Higgins, since Kesler has the wicked one timer from the half circle, but whoever it is just has to be able to stand up to the battering and stay on his feet. Change the personel in front of the net till you get someone who can stay there. Hell, even Sestito, EVEN Edler. (that's one place where we don't have to worry about him coughing up the puck) But no, AV doesn't have the imagination or guts. I could go on, and I'm sure others can add... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 If Gillis and AV survive this it is obvious that the Aquilinis only care about profit, not winning it all. Canucks fans have no business calling the Sharks playoff choke artists. None at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Some of AV's countless mistakes was having Edler on the 1st unit instead of Garrison and pairing Edler with Bieksa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Edler has costed us playoffs games last year, and this year. This guy really needs to go. I will gladly trade him a long with Bieksa in hopes of getting 1 star defencemen. Guarnateed they will be back next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Luongo 5.2m (Backup) Ballard 4.2m as a depth defenceman on the team that AV doesn't even use. Booth 4.2m who was suppose to be a top 6 forward.... Malhotra 2.5m - Why didn't we just buy him out in the summer or traded him if Gillis didn't plan on playing him? Raymond 2.5m - He should've been dealt at the deadline when his stock was high. Another missed opportunity by the genius management. That's 18m of our salary......... Failure to re-sign Torres because he dared ask for a 700k raise and an extra year that he earned. Then Gillis tried to trade a pick to get him at the deadline?! horrible management. Then after Torres debacle, he goes on a 4th line shopping spree signing borderline AHLers Ebbett, Duco, Pinozotto, Wiese to replace what Torres gave us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rampage Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 MG has made a ton of mistakes. Forget it im not even going to list them all way too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted May 6, 2013 Author Share Posted May 6, 2013 This is the thread where you talk about Gillis and AV screwing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gradin123 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 This is the thread where you talk about Gillis and AV screwing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyfall Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 If Gillis and AV survive this it is obvious that the Aquilinis only care about profit, not winning it all. Canucks fans have no business calling the Sharks playoff choke artists. None at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Gillis up to end of 2010-11 season: Gillis from end of 2010-11 season to now: The Gillis Canucks era is Scarface: The Rise and Fall of Tony Montana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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