nuck nit Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 A 28th place PP and 21st overall ranking is hardly competitive,unless you are talking placement positioning for draft picks. It was imperative the Canucks shed cap space and one goalie had to go with Lack ready to fill in for peanuts. Shneider has a $4m cap hit this year. Eddie has a $750 k cap hit. No Eddie and the $3.25m cap hit in savings? Santorelli 550k 28 years old Dalpe 550k Richardson 1.15m 29 years old Weber 650k Stanton 550k This was not a 'youth movement' move but a salary dump to fill the many empty holes. I liked Schneider but Luo is a great goaltender with an anvil contract. This was a necessary move to dump Schneider and free up the valuable space Lack provided the team this season. Of all the players added this season that should stay on next year that are 'youthful' is Stanton. Dalpe and Weber are fringe players and Santo,Richardson and Diaz are all on the cusp of 30 years of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lui's Knob Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 That's a nice story CanucksJay. But here's where it falls to pieces. A chapter that you've missed and really should read. Calgary Flames prospects of 2009: Lance Bouma Brett Palin Keith Aullie Greg Nemisz Ryley Grantham Kris Chucko John Negrin TJ Brodie Jason Jaffray Anton Stralman John Armstrong Cam Cunning Gaelen Patterson Michael Backlund Spencer Bennett Hugo Carpentier Brad Cole Carsen Germyn Kyle Greentree Ryan Howse Josh Myers Leland Irving Garth Murray David Van der Gulik J.D Watt David Shantz Matt Keetley Daniel Spence The best among them is Backlund who has broken the 25 point barrier for the first time this year - four years later. Brodie is a decent NHL defenseman. A marginal depth player in there as well - Bouma. A few others have touched NHL ice. Add to that the fact that the Flames had absolutely no talent on their roster under the age of 25 in 2009. None whatsoever. Backlund - that was it - and with all due respect, even he wouldn't crack the roster for two more years. So let's summarize: Year 2009 - talent under the age of 25 in the entire Flames organization: Backlund Brodie Bouma Irving, Stralman, Jaffray, Nemisz? Year 2014 - talent under the age of 25 in the Canucks organization: Roster players: Tanev Kassian Stanton Lack Schroeder Roster callups: Corrado Dalpe Archibald Lain Eriksson Sauve Prospects: Jensen Gaunce Horvat Shinkaruk Cassels "B" prospects. Grenier Blain Fox McNally Tommernes Blomstrand Mallet Subban Call me a blind homer wearing rose-coloured glasses if you will, but there is absolutely no comparison to be made between the real state of the Flames organization the last time they made the playoffs, and the Canucks of 2014. Boy flames drafting was awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Don`t worry you bunch of negitive Nellies...the future is so bright i have to wear shades. Unlike ahlberta teams who will be wearing bags for a while yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kodos Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 You start off your post with this, then you do the exact same thing picking and choosing who you think is valuable or not. I've posted this before but i'll do it again. It really bothers me with people compare the Canucks current state to what the flames were 2 -4 years ago. Calgarys situation started years in the past with pour trading, retaining/ getting returns for assets and most importantly having an absolute terrible drafting record. Calgary has had a total of 14 first round pick between 1998 and 2012 (15 year span). As Burke has clearly stated this year when he fired Feaster, you HAVE to get the first round picks right. Lets take a look at the flames past first round choices. 98 Fata (6th overall) 99 Saprykin (11th overall) 00 Brent Krahn (9th overall) He played a total of 1 NHL game 01 Kobasew (14th overall) 02 Nystrom (10th overall) Played 3 season with the flames then left as a free agent 03 Phaneuf (9th overall) 04 Chucko (24th overall) They had the 19th overall and decided to trade back to 24th -canucks drafted Schneider at 26th 05 Pelech (26th overall) He played a total of 7 NHL games 06 Irving (26th overall) He played a total of 13 NHL games 07 Backlund (26th overall) They had the 19th overall and decided to trade back to 26th 08 Nemisz (25th overall) They had the 17th (Jake Gardiner) overall and decided to trade back to 25th 09 Erixon (24th overall) They had the 20th overall and decided to trade back to 24th 10 Traded the 13th overall to PHX for Jokinen 11 Bartschi (13th overall) 12 Jankowski (21st overall) They had the 14th overall and decided to trade back to 21st As an example lets break down the Jankowski pick let’s look who Calgary missed on - 14th-Zemgus Girgensons 15th-Cody Ceci 16th-Tom Wilson 17th-Tomas Hertl 18th-Teuvo Teravainen 19th-Anderi Vasileveski 20th-Scott Laughton Other notables picked after 21st; Olli Maata (22nd), Malcon Subban (24th) Brendan Gaunce (26th) People love to look at a year in Canucks history where we may have missed out on star players when we picked a bust right before. Well that’s what the flames did consistently year over year. Then the picks that they did get somewhat of a decent player (Nystrom/Kobasew) the either let go for nothing (free agency) or traded for a weak return. They really only got 1 pick right in that 15 year span and that was Phaneuf but again the return they got for him was extremely weak as only 1 player in that trade remains with the team today. Flames were completely forced into a rebuid, they were not getting UFA's and they had zero young assets. It’s easy to point out the Iginla deal and compare that aging core to the Sedins but in reality that franchise was destined to fail. You can’t go over a 15 year span having only got 1 of your first round picks right, especially when you’re not a go to destination for UFA’s. You need that talent coming into the system from somewhere and when you’ve lost out on trades and draft picks for that length of time, all your valuable assets will dry up and you are left with where the flames are today a complete rebuild with a shallow prospect pool. Canucks are far from that forced rebuild that the flames were in. We still have a top team in the league. It may not look like it considering our last 20 games but when heathly this team has shown they are a top team. We also do have the prospect pool whether you want to dismiss them as quality or not. Our teams draft history in all rounds has been substantailly better than the flames, we've also had far more success picking up undrafted talent, So for "Oldnews" to mention those players that you dismissed so fast, he has good reasoning for adding them our prospect pool list, we've have a better success record. Stopped reading at "pour" and "14 first round pick" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 These are types of things I don't like to read when a GM believes his team is a contender when its clearly not. This team without changes and not little changes here and there will not be contending for a cup anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igorwasgreat Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 we have been "allright" for 3 years now. News Flash - allright does not win a stanley cup . How did Quick play when his team won the cup ? He played "allright" Wife to Husband , How was Dinner i spent 4 hours cooking ? It was "allright" How did the Canucks play this year ? "Allright" http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/allright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 The general manager has to stand behind his team publicly and support them. It is near the trade deadline and, as bad as they have been playing, do we want them distracted with trade talk and possibly play even worse? Brian Burke has called out teams he has run for poor physical play and poor goaltending. It never worked out for the best. I do remember Burke going to the Canucks who were out of the playoffs, telling them he believed in the group and that he wasn't trading anyone, and then they went on a hot streak and they made the playoffs. He was hailed as a great GM back then. A decade later, Gillis tries something similar and everyone hates him for it. I also would not expect the owner to do anything other than stand behind his team. How did the Oilers' apology letter to the fans work out for them? The Canucks problem goes further than defence and it is the same problem we had when AV was coach. It is adapting to a change in momentum. The Canucks have not been able to deal with adversity for years now. In the Chicago series' we lost, they took over and the team had no answer. In 2011, it almost happened again after the Canucks had a 3-0 series lead. In the Finals, after the Bruins won game six, the Canucks gave up. The Canucks don't have a heart and soul player who puts the team on his back and takes them to the next level. They need that. No one trades those players. Burke has way more power compared to gillis don't even compare the two no one can act like how burke does and succeed only he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 "2014 Canucks are NOT the REAL Canucks" Gillis also said last year was not the real Canucks because it was a weird shortened season. I know this season isn't over yet, but can two years really be called an anomaly? Two years (Or techincally a year and three quarters) is quite a sizable sample size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 ^2014 is only a month and a bit thus far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 "2014 Canucks are NOT the REAL Canucks" Gillis also said last year was not the real Canucks because it was a weird shortened season. I know this season isn't over yet, but can two years really be called an anomaly? Two years (Or techincally a year and three quarters) is quite a sizable sample size. I'm warming up to the idea that 2011 wasn't the real Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Injuries / Hanzal's blank cheque. Puck luck. Top heavy core minutes. Ridiculous compacted schedule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTruthHurts Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Why are people expecting anything out of this group given their current shape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blame Obama Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 in mike Obama gillis we trust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Question for the armchair GMs: Should the LA KIngs rebuild too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 They have recently won a Stanley Cup, they aren't focused on any window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure010 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 Question for the armchair GMs: Should the LA KIngs rebuild too? considering they just won a cup 2 years ago i'm going to go with no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 considering they just won a cup 2 years ago i'm going to go with no History. It's the present that matters. Lose 9 out of 10 games. Seems like enough, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon4401 Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 considering they just won a cup 2 years ago i'm going to go with no And unless they change something have a realistic possibility of missing the playoffs...Phoenix and Dallas only 4 points back we are 5...LA knws full well what happens when a team makes a change and gets red hot at the right time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightasrain Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 There are some good posts here. I am a believer in Gillis, and not the cdc gm's. I think the team has lost it's way, but believe they will get it back. They are a little sporadic, but they will iron it out. Just a little clicking will make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted February 12, 2014 Share Posted February 12, 2014 They have not, however, lost the faith of their general manager. "We're going to be all right," Mike Gillis valiantly predicted. Don't worry, MG's got this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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