The Hornet Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 *NOTE: There has been an update to this story, please see page 2, post # 56* WINNIPEG; A man who beheaded and then ate parts of a fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus almost six years ago might soon be granted unescorted day trips outside his mental hospital. Vince Li's psychiatrist says the one-time undiagnosed schizophrenic has not been violent, no longer suffers delusions and has made tremendous progress. Related Stories Vince Li's psychiatrist is asking the Criminal Code Review Board to let Li have unescorted day trips to Selkirk, Man. "A look at Vince Li's gradual path to more freedom From a clinical perspective, he has progressed excellently, Dr. Steven Kremer told a Criminal Code Review Board hearing Monday. Every year the board examines the conditions imposed on Li. Our overall goal is to eventually have Mr. Li reintegrate into the community." Li, 46, was found not criminally responsible for stabbing and beheading Tim McLean, a young carnival worker, in July 2008. The two men were strangers when Li sat next to McLean on a bus ride from Edmonton to Winnipeg. Li's attack was unprovoked; he said he heard voices telling him to kill McLean. The bus stopped and horrified passengers fled as Li carved up McLean's body and ate parts of it. Li was initially kept inside a locked wing of the Selkirk Mental Health Centre 24 hours a day. Each year he has been granted more freedom, such as escorted day passes to Winnipeg, Lockport and nearby beaches. On Monday, Li's psychiatric team asked for Li to be given three new privileges: - Unescorted day passes into Selkirk. - Relocation from the hospital locked ward to an unlocked ward. - Relaxed supervision during escorted trips into Winnipeg and Lockport. Instead of having a dedicated escort, Li would be one of three patients supervised by one hospital staff member. Li, dressed in a leather jacket and black dress pants, was quiet throughout the hearing, with his head bowed for much of the time. He appeared to be paying close attention and thanked his lawyer and psychiatrist as sheriff officers handcuffed him and led him out of the room. Crown attorney Susan Helenchilde did not oppose the changes, noting that Li has co-operated with hospital staff at all times. "Mr. Li has done everything that has been asked of him." The victim's mother, however, said Li should remain locked up for life. "I don't think it should matter whether you're mentally ill or not mentally ill. If you kill someone, you should lose your freedom, period." DeDelley said outside the hearing. "I'm standing out here by my damn self for six years now, and they're going to ultimately let this person free. And if he re-offends, (they'll say), Oh well, statistically it shouldn't happen. But guess what? It does, and it does and it does." DeDelley has fought to toughen the laws governing people found not criminally responsible for killings. She has a website that tracks cases in which people with the designation have been rearrested or convicted on new charges. The review board said it will render its decision within a week. Taken from an article at Global Edmonton: http://globalnews.ca...m-for-vince-li/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ If Mr. Li gets any sort of freedom, that is just completely wrong in my books. If he is 'cured of his sickness', he should be in jail for life. Not being able to walk around freely where he can forget to take his medication and re-offend. Not too mention it's a complete slap in the victims family's faces. What do you think, CDC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigUncle16 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 If he is 'cured of his sickness', he should be in jail for life. Agree 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Yeah, let him finish up the rest of his sentence in regular prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB007 Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 No Greyhound for him. Seriously though, they need to make sure he takes his medication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horny Manatee Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 If he is rehabilitated then he should get a second chance at life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 all it takes is him hearing one more voice and we have another dead and eaten innocent person.I doubt someone that screwed up can ever be 100% cured, how does somebody go from hearing voices, murdering people and EATING them to being just fine and normal? would seem like a charade. Let the Walking Dead wannabe rot in a cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horny Manatee Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 all it takes is him hearing one more voice and we have another dead and eaten innocent person.I doubt someone that screwed up can ever be 100% cured, how does somebody go from hearing voices, murdering people and EATING them to being just fine and normal? would seem like a charade. Let the Walking Dead wannabe rot in a cell. He seemed to do OK all those years before the murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatsPajamas Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 all it takes is him hearing one more voice and we have another dead and eaten innocent person.I doubt someone that screwed up can ever be 100% cured, how does somebody go from hearing voices, murdering people and EATING them to being just fine and normal? would seem like a charade. Let the Walking Dead wannabe rot in a cell. So you're an expert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapefruits Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Agree 100% then whats the point of spending the money to cure people? Why not just lock them up and throw away the key? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Tough call. The guy was suffering from a severe form of schizophrenia to the point that he actually thought killing and eating a man would help him. He couldn't fully understand the true nature of what he was doing. With that, I don't think it is fair for him to spend his life in a cell, but I wouldn't be okay with him being fully discharged from the justice system. There needs to be some safeguards in place to ensure that he takes his medications regularly to ensure this doesn't happen again, something like a sort of "life-long conditional release". Start him off with daily visits with health care professionals who can monitor him. If he proves reliable in taking his medication, they could even wean the meetings off a little, every second day, every week, whatever. A fair compromise to ensure Li gets a chance, while there is still a concern for public safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Aerosex Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I don't give a crap if it sounds ignorant. I don't want anybody who has beheaded and devoured a stranger out of nowhere ever being anywhere near me, my family, or my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Agree with Jagermeister, this is a really tough call. As horrible as the incident was, I've always felt for the guy since I read about his first court appearance, when he begged the judge to kill him. If he's making progress mentally it's great, but I'm still doubtful whether he should be allowed to walk around free. That crime was truly on another level. I would think the ideal would be some kind of minimum security psychiatric facility where he could socialize and spend time outdoors (it sounds like he's in that kind of situation now?). I guess I agree with #2 and 3 of the recommendations, but not the completely unescorted day trips. On a side note, I got interviewed by CBC when this happened, but I never got to hear it, if it played at all. Was on an overnight greyhound from Prince George to Vancouver so I hadn't heard about it, got in at 5am and there was a crowd of reporters asking people for their reactions at the Vancouver bus station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawkdrummer Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Keep him on a short leash and don't ever pass him the salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offensive Threat Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 His victim, Tim McLean, doesnt get any day trips.. Seriously, Its not so cut and dried. On first pass: He murdered a man. Whats the average sentence for manslaughter? Take off the time served in the psyche ward and have him spend the rest in a prison. Although that may well undo the progress he has made so far. I dont know what to do with him and Im glad I dont have to be the one to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I think he should be closely monitored in a facility for the rest of his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHawkSniper Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 So you're an expert? History often repeats itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Unbelievable they should string the pyschologist up. Our criminal system is fracked, this guy shouldnt be free for a second i love the chinese solution. Put a bullet in his temple end of story. He hacked a guys head off with a kitchen knife and ate some of it ya hes ok to be in public. Wat a fricking joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 Unbelievable they should string the pyschologist up. Our criminal system is fracked, this guy shouldnt be free for a second i love the chinese solution. Put a bullet in his temple end of story. He hacked a guys head off with a kitchen knife and ate some of it ya hes ok to be in public. Wat a fricking joke Send a bill to his mother too while you're at it. Ah…. the Age of Enlightenment. So derelict on the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duodenum Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 The guy had no idea what he was doing and no control over himself. He's apparently gotten better. He'll most likely, when released, start off with a daily dispense at a pharmacy so they can monitor his medication adherence for a while before slowing extending it to maybe a month between doctor's visits (I doubt they'll go longer than that for at least a few years). I'll trust in the doctor's judgement. He's spent a lot of time with the patient and deems him to be safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offensive Threat Posted February 25, 2014 Share Posted February 25, 2014 I'll trust in the doctor's judgement. He's spent a lot of time with the patient and deems him to be safe. What if, when released, you find out hes going to be your next door neighbor? Hes going to be somebodys neighbor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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