kingofsurrey Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 37 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Minus the 20 goals. And taking face offs. And playing 2C. But sure other than that eh Gaunce is being retooled as a future 3rd line shutdown guy if anything. He might become our 3C if he starts taking more face-offs. Ha ha - too funny Comparing a seasoned vet to a rookie. Fact is Gaunce has put up similar numbers throughout his development. Don't let the facts get in the way . PS - by the way Sutter is not a 2 C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 27 minutes ago, Katobaron said: Players who make more than Sutter: Ryan Nugent-Hopkins @ 6 mil Tomas Plekanec @ 6 mil Brandon Dubinsky @ 5.8 mil Dave Bolland @ 5.5 mil (wow) THOSE are bad contracts. Brandon Sutter isn't overpaid, he's just paid enough to centre a rebuilding west coast franchise with no cups and the fish eye lens of a Canadian market. Wow you just proved that Sutter may be the 5th worst contract in the league... Well done... LOL just joking. Its not in that category. Just an overpayment with too much term. Real problem with Sutters deal is more about too much term . Spend some time looking for centres on better contracts than Sutter.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 3 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Ha ha - too funny Comparing a seasoned vet to a rookie. Fact is Gaunce has put up similar numbers throughout his development. Don't let the facts get in the way . PS - by the way Sutter is not a 2 C What are you talking about?...Sutter as a 21/22 year old was putting up solid numbers for Carolina..There's no comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewonder20 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 13 hours ago, BaerToBo said: Sutter can play 2nd line C but will be an elite 3C when we become competitive He may be retired by the time we are competitive again, especially if JB keeps thinking we are a playoff team and let's UFAs walk for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katobaron Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 6 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Wow you just proved that Sutter may be the 5th worst contract in the league... Well done... LOL just joking. Its not in that category. Just an overpayment with too much term. Real problem with Sutters deal is more about too much term . Spend some time looking for centres on better contracts than Sutter.... There's more to a contract than just age and points. How high were they drafted, are they a locker room leader, what have they done for the team, what does the team need them to do and one of the most underrated aspects... What were other teams willing to pay. If you were to auction off an average second/stellar third line centre who can play PP, PK, lead a team in faceoffs, be a team player, bring playoff experience, have a physical presence along the boards, fight for position in front of the net and play against the other teams top line then I'm pretty sure the bidding war would land in the 5-5.5 mil range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 13 hours ago, kingofsurrey said: 4.35 mil for a 3rd line centre is an overpayment. He's way more then a 3rd line center. Rarely has he been a 3rd line center even for us. He can move up and down the line up with ease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 14 hours ago, Bandwagon38 said: Depending what Benning gets done by the TDL, should we bait Vegas with Sutter along with his big contract and make sure that Baerschi and Granlund stay protected? I like Sutter but I think we know exactly what we have in him where Baer and Granlund have more to give. Also, I am not sure Vegas takes him so we keep all of our forwards and lose Biega or Spiza. OP, you have one sleazy troll backing you up and a whole bunch of Canucks fans kicking sand on you and making fun of you. Does that answer your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 42 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Ha ha - too funny Comparing a seasoned vet to a rookie. Fact is Gaunce has put up similar numbers throughout his development. Don't let the facts get in the way . PS - by the way Sutter is not a 2 C Better tell Willie Sutter isn't a 2C But really tho, Gaunce is turning into a very good defensive player - there was a canucks army review this year detailing how good he's becoming at shot suppression. He may never find his offensive game at the NHL level but could be very good as a shut down C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 hour ago, Honky Cat said: What are you talking about?...Sutter as a 21/22 year old was putting up solid numbers for Carolina..There's no comparison. Your waisting your time talking with this guy he isn't a Sutter fan. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 1 hour ago, S'all Good Man said: Better tell Willie Sutter isn't a 2C But really tho, Gaunce is turning into a very good defensive player - there was a canucks army review this year detailing how good he's becoming at shot suppression. He may never find his offensive game at the NHL level but could be very good as a shut down C. Gaunce is a great skater. Great defensive skills. He had solid offensive numbers in junior. I am hopefully his offence starts to develop at the NHL level and he can move up the lineup. Sutter's offensive skills are not that good really. Yes, he can pot some goals off the rush but the guy doesn't make his linemates better with his passing/assists etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Honky Cat said: What are you talking about?...Sutter as a 21/22 year old was putting up solid numbers for Carolina..There's no comparison. Sutter had 1 goal in his first 50 NHL games. Gaunce has 1 goal in 69 NHL games. Takes time / games for players to learn how to produce in the NHL Sutter was signed as a placeholder until Bo could be a solid 2C. That time went by quickly and Bo is ready for full time 2 C. Sutter is becoming redundant as hopefully Gaunce can soon be our 3 C. Give Gaunce more time. I think you may be pleasantly surprised...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 Hell no. He plays hard and is a solid defensive player who can snipe the odd goals. Adds some speed too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandwagon38 Posted February 19, 2017 Author Share Posted February 19, 2017 How did the Penguins ever win the cup without Sutter? If Vegas did take him and we kept all of our defense we could easily flip a defensman to get a better 3C. Orrrrrr if we all think that 4.25 mill is a fair price for a 3C then there will be many available to us as UFAs. That's IF Vegas takes him. Forget Gaunce, Granlund is trending to be able to fill a vacancy left by Sutter. Smaller but plays with just as much grit, similar points and several years younger. Reminds me of Peca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandwagon38 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 Bonino 1.9 cap hit Hayes 2.9 cap hit 4.25 seems like an overpayment for a 3C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 35 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said: Sutter had 1 goal in his first 50 NHL games. Gaunce has 1 goal in 69 NHL games. Takes time / games for players to learn how to produce in the NHL Sutter was signed as a placeholder until Bo could be a solid 2C. That time went by quickly and Bo is ready for full time 2 C. Sutter is becoming redundant as hopefully Gaunce can soon be our 3 C. Give Gaunce more time. I think you may be pleasantly surprised...... Sutter scored 1 goal in 50 games at the ripe age of 19,...Brendan Gaunce will be 23 in a month from now. At 23 years old Sutter scored 17g 15a 29pts for Carolina... Sutter is becoming redundant for Brendan Gaunce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, Honky Cat said: Sutter scored 1 goal in 50 games at the ripe age of 19,...Brendan Gaunce will be 23 in a month from now. At 23 years old Sutter scored 17g 15a 29pts for Carolina... Sutter is becoming redundant for Brendan Gaunce? Clearly Gaunce is not ready right now to replace Sutter right now.... The thought is that Gaunce is still developing and it will be interesting to see what his offensive ceiling is at the NHL level. Great skater . Great Defensive skills and has solid offensive production in both Jr and AHL levels. Hoping Gaunce can elevate his game next season for the Canucks offensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandwagon38 Posted February 20, 2017 Author Share Posted February 20, 2017 Granlund is 5 years younger than Sutter and has 2 less points. If Sutter gets taken by Vegas he can be replaced. Several teams will most likely have to expose some 3Cs to expansion and there will be much more favourable options to Vegas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 17 hours ago, Bandwagon38 said: Depending what Benning gets done by the TDL, should we bait Vegas with Sutter along with his big contract and make sure that Baerschi and Granlund stay protected? I like Sutter but I think we know exactly what we have in him where Baer and Granlund have more to give. Also, I am not sure Vegas takes him so we keep all of our forwards and lose Biega or Spiza. Nooooooooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 1 hour ago, kingofsurrey said: Gaunce is a great skater. Great defensive skills. He had solid offensive numbers in junior. I am hopefully his offence starts to develop at the NHL level and he can move up the lineup. Sutter's offensive skills are not that good really. Yes, he can pot some goals off the rush but the guy doesn't make his linemates better with his passing/assists etc... I like what Sutter brings. Wins face offs, like you say is a threat to score, can play 3C or 2C in an emergency, and is also a good OT performer, and is a good defensive player. He brings a lot to the table and makes life easier for guys like Hansen. I dunno, i think you're undervaluing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackpluto96 Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 Why are y'all even bothering to reply to OP? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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