JM_ Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 So Winnipeg managed to lose 2/3 guys of their right side d. They don't have a legit 2nd pairing. Is this finally the trade opportunity that many have been waiting for? Morrissey-Tanev e.g., would be a nice pairing for them. They've been rumoured to want to move on from Ehlers as well - could we get this done: Ehlers for Tanev, Virtanen and another prospect to balance out the deal? Jake would fit their size and speed game nicely too. Or is there a different deal you'd prefer? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said: So Winnipeg managed to lose 2/3 guys of their right side d. They don't have a legit 2nd pairing. Is this finally the trade opportunity that many have been waiting for? Morrissey-Tanev e.g., would be a nice pairing for them. They've been rumoured to want to move on from Ehlers as well - could we get this done: Ehlers for Tanev, Virtanen and another prospect to balance out the deal? Jake would fit their size and speed game nicely too. Or is there a different deal you'd prefer? I was thinking that Ehlers would be an ideal play making winger for Bo and Pearson. I think Tanev (with salary retained) plus JV is very fair. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, Alflives said: I was thinking that Ehlers would be an ideal play making winger for Bo and Pearson. I think Tanev (with salary retained) plus JV is very fair. I was thinking that too, if it was the deal breaker. WPG doesn't really need the space but they are cheap so it might make it happen. It would make the cap situation very squeezed but maybe with a mix of LTIR and Utica waives it could just be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted July 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: So Winnipeg managed to lose 2/3 guys of their right side d. They don't have a legit 2nd pairing. Is this finally the trade opportunity that many have been waiting for? Morrissey-Tanev e.g., would be a nice pairing for them. They've been rumoured to want to move on from Ehlers as well - could we get this done: Ehlers for Tanev, Virtanen and another prospect to balance out the deal? Jake would fit their size and speed game nicely too. Or is there a different deal you'd prefer? Not sure Ehlers and his disappearing in traffic and playoffs will endear himself to a trade concept for the Canucks who seem to be building a team of players who are not likely to disappear (even EP40 seems to have heart of a lion). It is interesting that both he and Virtanen have the same number of career playoff goals - just Jake has been able to do it in 21 fewer games (e.g. none). 1 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Not sure Ehlers and his disappearing in traffic and playoffs will endear himself to a trade concept for the Canucks who seem to be building a team of players who are not likely to disappear (even EP40 seems to have heart of a lion). It is interesting that both he and Virtanen have the same number of career playoff goals - just Jake has been able to do it in 21 fewer games (e.g. none). I'm banking on that being a learning curve vs. a character trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I'm banking on that being a learning curve vs. a character trait. Watching him play I am not sure Jimmy. For his sake, I hope you are right but he sure does seem to shy away from contact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Whorvat Posted July 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2019 Heck no on Ehlers. Rather roll with Jake come playoff time 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 12 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I was thinking that too, if it was the deal breaker. WPG doesn't really need the space but they are cheap so it might make it happen. It would make the cap situation very squeezed but maybe with a mix of LTIR and Utica waives it could just be done. I actually think Winnipeg still needs to shed salary. They have $22.9M in cap space available but still need to sign 8 players, including Laine, Connor and Pionk. I am thinking those 3 alone may eat up $16 18M and that would leave them with only $5M - 7M to sign another 5 players.....not much wiggle room. I can see Winnipeg maybe having interest in Tanev a 50% retained but I don't think I would offer up Virtanen as part of that deal though. It would have to be Goldy, Baer or Leivo in my mind. As you mentioned, this would create some cap problems for us so GMJB would need to be creative to make this work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Take a Tanev, leave a Tanev Seriously, was never sold on Ehlers, despite his early success in the NHL. Rather keep a cheap Virtanen at the moment. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sonoman Posted July 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2019 9 minutes ago, Whorvat said: Heck no on Ehlers. Rather roll with Jake come playoff time Really hoping J.T. Miller can mentor Jake into becoming the player we all hoped for 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: I actually think Winnipeg still needs to shed salary. They have $22.9M in cap space available but still need to sign 8 players, including Laine, Connor and Pionk. I am thinking those 3 alone may eat up $16 18M and that would leave them with only $5M - 7M to sign another 5 players.....not much wiggle room. I can see Winnipeg maybe having interest in Tanev a 50% retained but I don't think I would offer up Virtanen as part of that deal though. It would have to be Goldy, Baer or Leivo in my mind. As you mentioned, this would create some cap problems for us so GMJB would need to be creative to make this work. I'd be thrilled with Tanev 50% retiained for their 2020 1st but doubt that goes down well. They must be pretty desperate for a right side replacement, if/when Buff misses games they are going to get picked apart. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: Watching him play I am not sure Jimmy. For his sake, I hope you are right but he sure does seem to shy away from contact. yeah thats a concern for sure. Part of this is I wonder if Green will ever see Jake in a top 6 role? if Green's not going to give him that chance - a real one, not some 5 shift look - I'd rather put a guy in that Green has to use in the top 6. Jake being trade bait this offseason makes me think they don't see him as a legit top 6. Edited July 3, 2019 by Jimmy McGill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rob_Zepp Posted July 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: yeah thats a concern for sure. Part of this is I wonder if Green will ever see Jake in a top 6 role? if Green's not going to give him that chance - a real one, not some 5 shift look - I'd rather put a guy in that Green has to use in the top 6. Jake being trade bait this offseason makes me think they don't see him as a legit top 6. I think that is only true by speculators and not the Canucks. Nothing on my radar shows Jake being used as bait by the Canucks. I think Green was sincere when he said the best Jake will be the 24 plus Jake and he has a plan for the kid that showed some great strides last season. This year with the likes of Pearson and Miller in the line up all year and Benn, Edler and Myers on the back end should free up Jake to be more of what he can be without feeling he is the obligatory big bodied guy. I remain bullish on Jake to be a playoff horse in the NHL - and hoping that is with the Canucks (OR if they do trade him, to the Cats or Canes please). 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 6 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said: I'd be thrilled with Tanev 50% retiained for their 2020 1st but doubt that goes down well. They must be pretty desperate for a right side replacement, if/when Buff misses games they are going to get picked apart. That might be part of a package that could work. Tanev, 50% retained, plus Goldy or Leivo for their 2020 1st plus Perreault as a cap dump. Won't help us this year but could be a way to get a 1st round pick back for next year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: I think that is only true by speculators and not the Canucks. Nothing on my radar shows Jake being used as bait by the Canucks. I think Green was sincere when he said the best Jake will be the 24 plus Jake and he has a plan for the kid that showed some great strides last season. This year with the likes of Pearson and Miller in the line up all year and Benn, Edler and Myers on the back end should free up Jake to be more of what he can be without feeling he is the obligatory big bodied guy. I remain bullish on Jake to be a playoff horse in the NHL - and hoping that is with the Canucks (OR if they do trade him, to the Cats or Canes please). I hope it does play out that way if we keep him. But no to FLA. &^@# Florida. They've screwed us hard. Edited July 3, 2019 by Jimmy McGill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Hoglander Pettersson Boeser Miller Horvat Podkolzin ?????? Gaudette Virtanen The reason I put this down Jim, is take a look at our 2 to 4 year plan Maybe not even that long Add into that our 2020 1st and 2nd, and we are getting fairly flush especially when we have Madden also coming in at that time with Lind or Jasek also a possibility...…. I am not saying Ehlers isn't better, but, that is a lot of youth in the line up in the top 3 lines If we are going to trade Tanev at some point, I hope we use him to acquire either a defensive prospect or a pick Besides, ultimately, I think Jake is still learning and will be a great 3rd line winger which is needed on a cup contender..... Sorry, buds...………...better than most of mine, though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 4 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said: Hoglander Pettersson Boeser Miller Horvat Podkolzin ?????? Gaudette Virtanen The reason I put this down Jim, is take a look at our 2 to 4 year plan Maybe not even that long Add into that our 2020 1st and 2nd, and we are getting fairly flush especially when we have Madden also coming in at that time with Lind or Jasek also a possibility...…. I am not saying Ehlers isn't better, but, that is a lot of youth in the line up in the top 3 lines If we are going to trade Tanev at some point, I hope we use him to acquire either a defensive prospect or a pick Besides, ultimately, I think Jake is still learning and will be a great 3rd line winger which is needed on a cup contender..... Sorry, buds...………...better than most of mine, though yeah thats a nifty top 6 for sure. My preference would actually be for their 2020 1st, just saw that as less likely than a player for player deal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I think I would rather keep Virtanen who is cheaper. If Baertschi is healthy the Canucks don't have a need for Ehlers. I think a worthwhile conversation to have is actually extending Chris Tanev. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shekky Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 with the current RFA's Vancouver has still need to Sign Leivo and Boeser freeing up some cap space would be ideal Tanev for there Third or Fourth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Benning has been very busy and he doesn't seem done yet. Now there's specultion that Tanev could be traded, and Hutton returned. Not sure how I feel about that, unless they can bring in another top 6 forward. Curious what they do with Eriksson, as I can't imagine he being in the lineup in early October. This would be cool: to DAL - Eriksson ($4,500,000), Tanev ($4,450,000) and Goldobin as a sweetener to VAN - Jamie Benn ($9,500,000) The problem with Benn though, is he still has 6 years left at $9.5 and he's turning 30, which could seem like an anchor if he doesn't produce every year in VAN. It would also be very difficult to trade him afterwards. Also, they'll need to pay Pettersson, Hughes and Demko big money eventually. The good news, we wouldn't have to worry about Eriksson taking up a spot and lots of cap, or Tanev's injury woes every year. I also suspect that having the Benn Bros together, they would have a blast playing for their home town. Revitalizing their careers to win a championship at home. Ja. Benn - Pettersson - Boeser Pearson - Horvat - J.T. Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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