Warhippy Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Well. After spending billions more than the NDP pre covid. Dumping over $14 billion in to oil and gas subsidies/loans, cutting everything essential to the bone and watching jobs walk out of Alberta. Suncor announced 200+ layoffs, most due to automation and all based on the market. BP announced hundreds of layoffs. More layoffs from other national and multi national companies expected due to the current market. So, what does Kenny do? Goes on record and claims that if it was Ontario or Quebec they'd pay anything to keep jobs (without ever mentioning the auto sector bailout he was a part of) then blames it on trudeau So to top that, today they openly announced an end to AISH is on the table. Sorry if you're disabled, unable to work or challenged. You only paid in to it now you get to lose it. This is Trudeau's fault https://www.mygrandeprairienow.com/76193/toews-insists-alberta-must-rear-back-spending-to-match-neighbour-provinces/?fbclid=IwAR3UgO0vk1F7-VNw2yq-uGvuVwpmpUBbK1FUQfpdwiFqwckixmzrnIjjlJ8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) Man, that trickle down economics is doing wonderful in Alberta. They're like a strung out heroin addict. Chasing the dragon and not admitting to what actually may be the problem. Edited October 3, 2020 by thedestroyerofworlds 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 scientists in Alberta part of a Nobel prize winning team for their research in to Hep C And....what gets recognized instead you ask? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnarcore Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 13 minutes ago, Warhippy said: 3 scientists in Alberta part of a Nobel prize winning team for their research in to Hep C And....what gets recognized instead you ask? Well it makes sense for that $&!# stain of a province. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedestroyerofworlds Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Privatize means potential savings actually are profits for the private company. Poorer pay. Poorer benefits. $$$$$Profit. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-health-services-job-cuts-tyler-shandro-1.5760155 Alberta Health Services to lay off up to 11,000 staff, mostly through outsourcing Social Sharing Between 9,700 and 11,000 employees to be laid off in laboratory, linen, cleaning and in-patient food services Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, thedestroyerofworlds said: Privatize means potential savings actually are profits for the private company. Poorer pay. Poorer benefits. $$$$$Profit. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-health-services-job-cuts-tyler-shandro-1.5760155 Alberta Health Services to lay off up to 11,000 staff, mostly through outsourcing Social Sharing Between 9,700 and 11,000 employees to be laid off in laboratory, linen, cleaning and in-patient food services Someone showed that these jobs would still exist in private service but it would be taxdollars funding it. Essentially. The guaranteed wages and jobs that these were will now go to companies who automate everything and pay no living wage. But. As it comes from AHS it will be paid for by Alberta taxdollars. In essence, Jason Kenney just threw 11,000+ people out of work and those jobs will now go to non union employees in private service sectors with ZERO accountability but will still be paid for by people like Strome and Forsberg. Edited October 14, 2020 by Warhippy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 9:51 PM, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: "But but but... free enterprise taking over must be good, because 'free', right? Right?" Not free for you or me. Private makes it much easier to line pockets while they drain ours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 21 hours ago, spur1 said: Not free for you or me. Private makes it much easier to line pockets while they drain ours. You do realize the other side of that is bankruptcy right? Trying to make the hard cuts sooner rather then later..... also going private does work...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, RowdyCanuck said: You do realize the other side of that is bankruptcy right? Trying to make the hard cuts sooner rather then later..... also going private does work...... You are only seeing a small part of the big picture. Small town government isn’t much more than the PTA. Even the Feds dance to the Corporate greed. Not to mention the MIC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, spur1 said: You are only seeing a small part of the big picture. Small town government isn’t much more than the PTA. Even the Feds dance to the Corporate greed. Not to mention the MIC. Ha I live in the west ha I think I know what you mean , Heck Greece has declared bankruptcy .....you think canada is to big to fail? Alberta has to make cuts, it's not like JT will come help.....and JT can only offer magic beans cause he doesn't know how to make a million jobs appear over night..... right now JT and him flushing money into the system is the only thing keeping us from a recession worst then the dirty 30's , more provinces should being making cuts and heck it sure has helped b.c public schools :p b.c should have some stored away from the money they saved ha Also those videos show either road.....if you don't make cuts then how do we pay them? edit* if you live in b.c then your already use to paying for your medical....albertans might have to follow suit Edited October 16, 2020 by RowdyCanuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 A sales tax would be a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 6 hours ago, spur1 said: A sales tax would be a good start. that only helps if people have money to shop with.... thats the problem with our system, we look at raising taxes instead of trying to give Canadians deals, Canada only keeps 20% of our cattle but beef ain't cheap in a store, could say the same about gas and everything else Canada produces.....raising taxes I've seen that in history somewhere oh yea go look at Brits history ha doesn't end well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: that only helps if people have money to shop with.... thats the problem with our system, we look at raising taxes instead of trying to give Canadians deals, Canada only keeps 20% of our cattle but beef ain't cheap in a store, could say the same about gas and everything else Canada produces.....raising taxes I've seen that in history somewhere oh yea go look at Brits history ha doesn't end well. Really...taxes on the rich are at historical lows. How is it working out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, RowdyCanuck said: Ha I live in the west ha I think I know what you mean , Heck Greece has declared bankruptcy .....you think canada is to big to fail? Alberta has to make cuts, it's not like JT will come help.....and JT can only offer magic beans cause he doesn't know how to make a million jobs appear over night..... right now JT and him flushing money into the system is the only thing keeping us from a recession worst then the dirty 30's , more provinces should being making cuts and heck it sure has helped b.c public schools :p b.c should have some stored away from the money they saved ha Also those videos show either road.....if you don't make cuts then how do we pay them? edit* if you live in b.c then your already use to paying for your medical....albertans might have to follow suit Alberta needs to diversify its economy more and bring in a sales tax. it has squat to do with Trudeau's past or present. An AB PST, or better HST, would save AB from having to make cuts, and its the fairest form of taxation there is. Edited October 16, 2020 by Robert Long 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 10 hours ago, RowdyCanuck said: Ha I live in the west ha I think I know what you mean , Heck Greece has declared bankruptcy .....you think canada is to big to fail? Alberta has to make cuts, it's not like JT will come help.....and JT can only offer magic beans cause he doesn't know how to make a million jobs appear over night..... right now JT and him flushing money into the system is the only thing keeping us from a recession worst then the dirty 30's , more provinces should being making cuts and heck it sure has helped b.c public schools :p b.c should have some stored away from the money they saved ha Also those videos show either road.....if you don't make cuts then how do we pay them? edit* if you live in b.c then your already use to paying for your medical....albertans might have to follow suit Nothing is too big to fail. Alberta HAS to make cuts but has spent over $11 BILLION in tax dollars propping up oil at the expense of the people. That's ALBERTA not the feds. What has happened? Suncor just laid off thousands due to atuomation. Eveery major player in the field is laying off and either divesting themselves of oilsands holdings or moving to other pastures because of the market. JT is actually spending more on Alberta now than at any point in time in history. While Alberta dumps money in to a no win industry socializing corporate losses; JT is spending more than the province on healthcare and education at this point. Not to mention soscial services and transfers to out of work people who STILL claim JT is doing squat and the feds hate Alberta...damned Trudeau and all. BC is actually still doing quite well. None of the feared economic fallout or massive increase in taxes has happened. If you don't make cuts? Maybe just maybe not using tax dollars to support corporations and throwing people off of AISH, privatizing healthcare and slashing the education budget would be a good start. $11 billion in less than 14 months....just saying BC no longer has mspp premiums. Alberta has to do something. almost every issue in Alberta right now economically is entirely caused by Alberta and Albertans since the late 70s. It sucks but it's true 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, spur1 said: Really...taxes on the rich are at historical lows. How is it working out? Got a better idea on how to attract business's? Need jobs and the Rich don't get out of bed unless it's worth their while....... 1 hour ago, Robert Long said: Alberta needs to diversify its economy more and bring in a sales tax. it has squat to do with Trudeau's past or present. An AB PST, or better HST, would save AB from having to make cuts, and its the fairest form of taxation there is. Diversify? Ha how do you off set what oil makes? And also Alberta is the leader in more then just the oil and gas industry..... It's not like it put all its eggs in one basket .....problem is one chicken pops out gold eggs and the other pops just normal eggs. 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: Nothing is too big to fail. Alberta HAS to make cuts but has spent over $11 BILLION in tax dollars propping up oil at the expense of the people. That's ALBERTA not the feds. What has happened? Suncor just laid off thousands due to atuomation. Eveery major player in the field is laying off and either divesting themselves of oilsands holdings or moving to other pastures because of the market. JT is actually spending more on Alberta now than at any point in time in history. While Alberta dumps money in to a no win industry socializing corporate losses; JT is spending more than the province on healthcare and education at this point. Not to mention soscial services and transfers to out of work people who STILL claim JT is doing squat and the feds hate Alberta...damned Trudeau and all. BC is actually still doing quite well. None of the feared economic fallout or massive increase in taxes has happened. If you don't make cuts? Maybe just maybe not using tax dollars to support corporations and throwing people off of AISH, privatizing healthcare and slashing the education budget would be a good start. $11 billion in less than 14 months....just saying BC no longer has mspp premiums. Alberta has to do something. almost every issue in Alberta right now economically is entirely caused by Alberta and Albertans since the late 70s. It sucks but it's true B.c hasn't felt that the strain? How many tourist companies went under? I hate to say this but why can't the rest of the provinces prop up Alberta like Alberta did for the rest of Canada ...... don't need taxes , need jobs...... everything is albertans fault? Ha I might buy that if it was true ha how does one province falls and the rest of Canada follows.....hmmmmm sounds like Canada should have diversify more and not have counted on Alberta so much....... funny thing is the timber industry actually does well in ressions , just hope the rest of Canada can afford timber ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 minute ago, RowdyCanuck said: Diversify? Ha how do you off set what oil makes? And also Alberta is the leader in more then just the oil and gas industry..... It's not like it put all its eggs in one basket .....problem is one chicken pops out gold eggs and the other pops just normal eggs. then don't come crying to the rest of us when the bust part of boom and bust happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Just now, Robert Long said: then don't come crying to the rest of us when the bust part of boom and bust happens. But isn't that why we shared what we made? I didn't see the rest of Canada turning down those oil checks ha or offering to invest in other industries.....oops they did just that but they invested in their own provinces and not Alberta and Canada had how long to build up another industry to take the pressure off oil but.......lets go green and we will figure everything else out later ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 22 minutes ago, 6of1_halfdozenofother said: The sad thing about fiscal conservatives nowadays are that they are too focussed on one side of the ledger - the expenditures side. What they miss out on from their myopic approach is the revenue side. You can't have a balanced ledger just by cutting expenses and neglecting revenues. You also can't have sole reliance on a small handful of industries to drive your revenues. Just wait until the bottom really falls out on fossil fuels. Too bad they're too tunnel-vision on "the devil they know" to be bothered to think about diversifying. You're exactly right. Continuing to pretend that the horse and buggy will outlast the car is the mentality there 15 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Got a better idea on how to attract business's? Need jobs and the Rich don't get out of bed unless it's worth their while....... Diversify? Ha how do you off set what oil makes? And also Alberta is the leader in more then just the oil and gas industry..... It's not like it put all its eggs in one basket .....problem is one chicken pops out gold eggs and the other pops just normal eggs. B.c hasn't felt that the strain? How many tourist companies went under? I hate to say this but why can't the rest of the provinces prop up Alberta like Alberta did for the rest of Canada ...... don't need taxes , need jobs...... everything is albertans fault? Ha I might buy that if it was true ha how does one province falls and the rest of Canada follows.....hmmmmm sounds like Canada should have diversify more and not have counted on Alberta so much....... funny thing is the timber industry actually does well in ressions , just hope the rest of Canada can afford timber ha Notley and the NDP in Alberta were actually successfully diversifying the Albertan economy during the oil shock issues that started in 2014. The numbers more than indicate that. They were doing it by offering far more attractive incentives to them normally only offered to oil and gas. You cannot in one shot offset what oil and gas make. But increasing investment and attraction towards value added diversification in that sector outside of raw extraction is a great idea. That was happening. It was then curtailed. BC was essentially only logging. When the sustainable forest act happened in 92 and then NAFTA it was shattered and screwed the economy. BC didn't have a single sourced economy at that point but logging was the king for a long time. If you want a really good example, look at Colorado who was essentially the Calgary of energy in that area of the US. When it all went belly up they did what they could and have done well. Some good write ups on it BC has suffered under Covid. but BC is not a single source economy anymore. By the numbers BC has faired quite well in fact. But Alberta by comparison has been suffering the oil shock issue since 2014. Tourist companies failing is one thing, but staycations are at an all time high. If your only argument though for a comparison is tourist companies in BC vs tens of billions of tax dollars going to socialize losses by private business in Alberta, it's a poor argument Alberta never propped up the country. That argument has been outright destroyed hundreds of times in this forum. If you don't need taxes bu you need jobs, stop burning money to keep your house warm by subsidizing losses to private business and use ti to invest in people. Everything IS Alberta's fault regarding the oil issues. Saying no to the NEP ensured there would be no national plan or strategy for oil which called for multiple refineries and upgraders in every province as well as pipelines east to west and coast to coast. Fighting for resource rights afterwards ensured that the issues with equalization were brought on in large part by that fight. Killing off the NEP also ensured Alberta would ONLY be able to effectively source oil to the US via NAFTA which the US wanted post Iran/OPEC fight during the energy crisis of the late 70s through 80s. Killing off oil royalties and continuing to subsidize industry at taxpayers expense for decades left the province broke and dependent on resource extraction. Please inform me as to which part of that is not true. Oil accounts for a very small part of the overall economy. Canada has diversified. After NAFTA effectively killed off logging and manufacturing in the nation we started province by province to change our ways as we had no choice. Ontario and BC came out of the 90s having suffered greatly through the loss of the largest industries and were in fact top 3 national leaders for almost 2 decades. Alberta is suffering and one can look at the increase in federal transfers to show EXACTLY what the rest of the nation is doing to support Albertans through this. Again, much of the issues facing the Alberta economy right now are in fact created in house and from Alberta's policies over the last 4.5 decades. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: But isn't that why we shared what we made? I didn't see the rest of Canada turning down those oil checks ha or offering to invest in other industries.....oops they did just that but they invested in their own provinces and not Alberta and Canada had how long to build up another industry to take the pressure off oil but.......lets go green and we will figure everything else out later ha Canada as a nation has invested an average of $9+ billion a year in to oil and gas/energy development for decades. Please brush up on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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