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Green basically had Benning ship out some of our highest preseason scorers because they apparently didn't 'fit his roster', with Gadj being one of them. Note: we didn't score much... Chiasson showed lots of hustle, gifted big PP time (not much PP contribution in hindsight) and Green had Benning give him a contract. Really? Honest camp? For the record, I don't hate Chiasson and his contract. I am questioning the 'process' of Green and how he is evaluating players, especially given our very poor preseason record.

Our PP sucked in the preseason, and Green was overplaying him. At least he's cheap...

Haydn Fleury is also worthy of being a monumental disappointment for a high first rounder.

Why couldn't they just sign him to a 2 way deal? Lmfao.

Is he really? If the only motivation is that you'll want to get into doghouse, that's not very motivating at all. Look at the vast improvement that Gadj had this offseason, and Green decides to ice some AHL vets (not AHL youngstar players) for his preseason game, ultimately cutting Gadj out. Trash management. The way Green handled Juolevi was also garbage. Yes, the trade could help with the team, but players like Woo/Dipietro/Gadj/Juolevi didn't play all that much. What's the point in icing vets in preseason games?

Green is absolutely clueless about what he wants in his roster. This preseason has sealed the deal for me. He pushed out Gadj, overplaying Chiasson to the point that we THINK Canucks are interested in him, only to leave him dangling at the end. What was Gadj doing so poorly that he couldn't fit into the lineup? Green played a bunch of AHL stars and pushed out some prospects in the process. There was little to no evaluation on players like Woo, Dipietro, Gadj and so forth. I'm really done with him as a coach. This Canuck team better be rolling 4-2 AT MINIMUM at the gate because the way he handled his preseason rosters was atrocious.

Why do you keep bringing up video games? That rumour was shot down by media, at least with regards to Juolevi being the one who was the gamer.

Totally curious, where did you arrive at the conclusion that he has a poor faceoff percentage? I don't see it in this text. Do you have another source? Nvm, I looked it up. 44 percent is not ideal, but I don't think it's considered 'poor'. It's not worse than what Gaudette brought to the table.

That totally explains why the minutes were so 'well distributed' then, right? A whopping 25 mins for Quinn Hughes, and 20 mins for OEL and Myers. Rathbone with 18 minutes and 52 seconds. Even more than Mr. Poolman. You're totally right. It's just the preseason. Rathbone's only going to play 12 mins like a normal 6/7 d right?

Gillis hit with Hodgson and Horvat. That's it. He missed with epic picks like Brendan Gaunce (when he did have a first rounder). Otherwise he ended up trading it in some stupid transaction like the Ballard for Grabner + 1st round pick. People talk about Benning squandering picks. I'm like WUTTT? LOL. The track record of the Gillis drafting was not good, at all. How was a team supposed to build? Gillis basically took the foundation of Burke + Nonis and improved it with some depth players. Other than that, he didn't have a clue about how to build a team through the draft. So many of those picks ended up being crapola. And don't get me started on that Mallet pick. Wow. That was an awful, awful pick.

Juolevi was a winner at every level: memorial cup + Olympic gold for Finland. His injuries did him in. The narratives about how Juolevi was a 'reach' versus Tkachuk is just plain dishonest commentary.

People who make these topics only have a particular agenda to push. It's not even hidden well with that purpose.

Really? 23 games, 2 goals, 1 assist, while playing for a coach that forces him to take PK shifts, and no PP time? Yeah, he's a bust... /s I like your posts, but you're out to lunch on this one, IMHO.

It's kinda funny. Green jettisoned a few of the people who got a goal or assist during our DREADFUL preseason. No, we weren't outscoring teams. The players that generated some points were: Gadj, Juolevi (minor assist), and Di Giuseppe. Who did we keep? Petan - former Green player in the WHL. I must say though, Petan is decent. However, the problem isn't with Petan; it's with Green and him going back to his favourite players Who made Green's team? 0 points, 1 fight/KO Macewen - he's obviously poorly utilized by Green. Highmore, who I don't entirely dislike, but he was basically a nonfactor for a few of the games he's played. Rathbone = promising but underwhelming preseason, aside from 1 breakaway goal from the box and 1 penalty shot, did he do anything else? Chiasson = hustling, but generally not doing much aside from last game. How many penalties did we take? A lot. Who was killing most of the penalties. Juolevi. Green just doesn't have a clue.

Both Juulsen and Juolevi are injury reclamation projects. IMHO, I think Juulsen has mobility issues and I don't think this trade will suit the Canucks. But we'll see.

Gillis cleaned out that prospect pool for a push.

You're missing my point. Rathbone's game isn't as complete as you'd want it to be for the 6/7. Our question marks come from the back end. And given these said question marks, adding in Rathbone is an extremely risky and IMHO a short-sighted move.

Everyone has bias. That's my point. If you ignore the factor of bias in a judgement, you are not being objective.

Rathbone is not a 6/7 defenseman, nor should he be. So why is Green inserting a defenseman that is CLEARLY not the right fit for this role, just to shove him into the lineup? Rathbone's game is far from complete - and as others have said, he plays soft. Is that really suitable for a 6/7 defenseman?

I like Rathbone, but I'm not impressed with how he has performed this preseason, especially in his own end and his positioning. He let McDavid pass through unharassed the other day. I'm pretty sure that was Rathbone's assignment. But oh, he's McDavid so Rathbone gets a free pass? CLEARLY the coach favours him, but if Rathbone is out of position in a job that he's being given high TOI for, I have a problem with that. (Not with the player - the coach).

Benning deserves criticism for keeping Green, especially for as long as he has done. I did support bringing back Green, if in fact the players did want him back. However, given how Green has handled this horrific preseason, I don't think this coach is the right person for the job. Green is so stubborn. We've seen the same style of play under many iterations of rosters over the years - and the results are usually mediocrity. Our PP was bad, so we got rid of Newell Brown - twice. Looks like he wasn't the problem after all. The one who connects the dots are Willie Desjardins (no longer coaching in the NHL) and Green. These two have been our coaches over the years in recent memory (aside from Torts, also not the right coach for this team). We should've fielded out options for coaches instead of sticking with Green.

He's fine versus the high praise of Rathbone speaks volumes about his bias. That was my point of the post.

No, but that's exactly it. The so-called 'sending a message' strategy with Green is not at all reflective of what you see on the ice, nor off the ice. Someone like Hughes can have two horrific giveaways but probably won't be disciplined because he's needed on the team. Virtanen may have showed up out of shape, and what not, but he still got a chance to play and showcase himself. Now with Virtanen, when he doesn't do what you expect him to do, he should be given more punishment - but that didn't happen. Virtanen struggled in the AHL under Green. He also struggled (somewhat) in the NHL. Part of this goes into how Green is teaching his 'kids'.

Yeah, I agree. I don't hate Rathbone - far from it. I just don't understand this lovefest with him. JR has an incomplete defensive game, similar to Hughes. Why are we so eager to plug him into a lineup where his development could be harmed? Green loves Rathbonne and it's clouding his judgement to make the proper decision in icing a good lineup that infuses qualified, but youthful players. Losing Gadj for no reason while keeping Macewen (who has almost been historically used sparingly by Green to begin with) speaks volumes about Green's doghouse.

Totally agree. Rathbone (not a proven top 6 defenseman) was given 2 seconds less of TOI last night compared to OEL (a proven top 4). It's clear that there's favouritism under Green. If players can get a fair shake with the tough love approach, I'm for it. It's problematic when you hold different standards for different players. IMHO, part of Virtanen's poor development should fall on Green. He coached him in the AHL and in the Canucks. There's no way he should escape responsbility, even though Virtanen has himself to blame for his exodus in the NHL.