A Game Of Thrones: To the point of the TV show, no spoilers beyond that

[inane]

5 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Except that she already had it. The bells were ringing. She knew what that meant, but elected to burn thousands of innocent people anyway. It was out of character.

She said and did repeatedly throughout the entire series burn people and said she'd burn cities. We just didn't really listen all along.

[RUPERTKBD]

3 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

I don't like that bell ringing element at all. Could be a freaked out kid for all we know. Its a damn church bell, not Cercei's secret surrender morse code from the bell tower in the castle. 

And even if so, well thats where the 'mongol way' comes into play. All in all i find burning KL to be least of the crazy/nonsensical things she's done this season. 

Something we'll have to agree to disagree on.

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Something we'll have to agree to disagree on.

Well i think her army deployment in the battle of Winterfell screams of  little Robert Arryn making plans rather than an adult, let alone the winner and veteran of the battle of Yunkai, seige of Mereen and the defense of Mereen......

 

[HerrDrFunk]

3 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

In fact, it's so rushed that the editors don't have time to do their jobs...

 

 

First it was the Starbucks cup....now Jaime regrew his hand just in time to have Kings Landing fall on his head. #justcantcatchabreak

That was actually from a production still shot where the hand wasn't added in yet. In the scene itself, his gold hand is there.

[RUPERTKBD]

1 minute ago, canuckistani said:

Well i think her army deployment in the battle of Winterfell screams of  little Robert Arryn making plans rather than an adult, let alone the winner and veteran of the battle of Yunkai, seige of Mereen and the defense of Mereen......

 

I doubt that was her strategy....but agreed. It sucked out loud....

[RUPERTKBD]

Just now, HerrDrFunk said:

That was actually from a production still shot where the hand wasn't added in yet. In the scene itself, his gold hand is there.

It's all over the internet.

 

"Fake News!" strikes again! (pretty sure I saw it on Faux  before anywhere else)

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, HerrDrFunk said:

That was actually from a production still shot where the hand wasn't added in yet. In the scene itself, his gold hand is there.

I am surprised the director went with the whole 'CGI a golden hand and make clunking sounds' rather than just have Nikolai wear a clunking bronze hand spray-painted gold. More realistic and less room for stuff to go wrong. 

[Generational.EP40]

In GOT, characters die the way they killed others. Ned beheaded someone with important information and was beheaded himself, Ramsey was killed by his dogs, the Night King died the way his former human self was killed, the Mountain died in a fire after burning his Brother. Cersei was burried under crumbling buildings after burrying everyone in the sept.

 

...this means Drogon will kill Dany. That or Jon since he’s blood of the dragon as well. Leaning on the latter being the likeliest. 

 

 

Edited May 13, 2019 by Generational.EP40
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[canuckistani]

9 minutes ago, inane said:

She said and did repeatedly throughout the entire series burn people and said she'd burn cities. We just didn't really listen all along.

Next episode, she marries the next most eligible bachelor in westeros : Robert Arryn. They start to argue about whether to make people 'fly' or charred. Everyone gets fed up of the crazy couple and stabs them to death.

/end. 

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, Generational.EP40 said:

In GOT, characters die the way they killed others. Ned beheaded someone with important information and was beheaded himself, Ramsey was killed by his dogs, the Night King died the way his former human self was killed, the Mountain died in a fire after burning his Brother. Cersei was burried under crumbling buildings after burrying everyone in the sept.

 

...this means Drogon will kill Dany. That or Jon since he’s blood or the dragon as well. Leaning on the latter being the likeliest. 

hmm no. 

Doesn't add up. The hound didn't burn anyone to death. Cercei didn't bury people alive, she literally exploded them to bits. Ramsey didn't kill very many with his dogs, he used them to hunt them down and intimidate them. He was a bolton, which means he either killed them the good old fashioned way or flayed them.  What about Robb Stark ? he didn't kill anyone having a meal or taking a dump....Theon ? Rickon Stark ? etc etc. 

[Tre Mac]

 

5 minutes ago, Generational.EP40 said:

In GOT, characters die the way they killed others. Ned beheaded someone with important information and was beheaded himself, Ramsey was killed by his dogs, the Night King died the way his former human self was killed, the Mountain died in a fire after burning his Brother. Cersei was burried under crumbling buildings after burrying everyone in the sept.

 

...this means Drogon will kill Dany. That or Jon since he’s blood or the dragon as well. Leaning on the latter being the likeliest. 

Good point.  

[Tre Mac]

9 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

hmm no. 

Doesn't add up. The hound didn't burn anyone to death. Cercei didn't bury people alive, she literally exploded them to bits. Ramsey didn't kill very many with his dogs, he used them to hunt them down and intimidate them. He was a bolton, which means he either killed them the good old fashioned way or flayed them.  What about Robb Stark ? he didn't kill anyone having a meal or taking a dump....Theon ? Rickon Stark ? etc etc. 

Well not every character in the show but for the main ones it's accurate.  Some of Ramsay last kills were his new mommy and baby bro via woof woof iirc.  

 

16 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

I am surprised the director went with the whole 'CGI a golden hand and make clunking sounds' rather than just have Nikolai wear a clunking bronze hand spray-painted gold. More realistic and less room for stuff to go wrong. 

As Reddit would say "Oh sure CGI a god dam gold hand but you can't CGI Jon petting Ghost one last time."

[Tre Mac]

 

 

This was good and stolen from Reddit.  Still think the horse was Sandor, spiritually.

[JM_]

34 minutes ago, Generational.EP40 said:

In GOT, characters die the way they killed others. Ned beheaded someone with important information and was beheaded himself, Ramsey was killed by his dogs, the Night King died the way his former human self was killed, the Mountain died in a fire after burning his Brother. Cersei was burried under crumbling buildings after burrying everyone in the sept.

 

...this means Drogon will kill Dany. That or Jon since he’s blood or the dragon as well. Leaning on the latter being the likeliest. 

oh man I didn't think of that... if the dragon sees Jon as the alpha then yeah it might go that way. My $ is on Arya getting it done somehow.

 

I dunno, maybe I'm in the minority but I'm enjoying this season. If I had to complain I'd say they could have made 10 episodes but I guess they had to decide on a format 2 years ago and just go for it. 

[RUPERTKBD]

19 minutes ago, Tre Mac said:

 

 

This was good and stolen from Reddit.  Still think the horse was Sandor, spiritually.

Hmmmm....dunno.....maybe if it was eating a chicken....

[Tre Mac]

This was also stolen from Reddit but it's a good look at the foreshadowing when Danny doesn't get any D.

 

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• 106 - Viserys, after seeing how much the Dothraki love Daenerys, becomes jealous and tries to run away saying “Who can rule without wealth or fear of love.” (Daenerys well echo this sentiment in 804 and 805)

• 204 – Daenerys “When my dragons are grown… we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.”

• 206 – Daenerys “I will take what is mine with fire and blood.”

• 207 - Cersei Lannister “Half the Targaryens went mad, didn't they? What's the saying? "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin."

• 210 – Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed throne room. She reaches out to the throne but never touches it.

• 303 – Daenerys when speaking about her brother Rhaegar “…he was not the last dragon.”

• 404 - Daenerys executes 163 Meereenese noblemen. In 406 we learn some of these men were innocent. Daenerys shows absolutely no regret.

• 405 – Daenerys speaking with Jorah. “You counseled me against rashness once in Qarth. I didn’t listen. It all worked out well.”

• 407 – Jorah tells Daenerys “The masters treated men like beasts, as you said. Herding the masters into pens and slaughtering them by the thousands is also treating men like beasts.” Reminding her “I wouldn't be here to help you if Ned Stark had done to me what you want to do to the masters of Yunkai.”

• 407 – Daenerys “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one.”

• 505 – Daenerys executes an innocent Meereenese nobleman for the sole purpose of intimidating the other nobles.

• 505 – Daenerys reopens the fighting pits allowing for innocent men to kill one another for entertainment.

• 508 – Daenerys “I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.”

• 604 – Daenerys murders the leaders of the Dothraki for the sole purpose of consolidating power.

• 606 – Dario to Daenerys “You weren’t made to sit on a chair in a palace. You’re a conquer, Daenerys Stormborn.”

• 606 – Daenerys to the Dothraki “Will you kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses?”

• 609 – Speaking about the masters Daenerys swears to “Kill every one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt.” Tyrion responds “You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King’s Landing?” Daenerys “This is entirely different!” Tyrion “You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different.”

• 702 – Yara Greyjoy, Olenna Tyrell, and Ellaria Sand all try to convince Daenerys to use her dragons on King’s Landing. Tyrion convinces her to do otherwise. (This is important as Tyrion’s plans fail, and his repeated failures show Daenerys there’s no other option)

• 702 - Olenna Tyrell “Commoners and nobles are all children really. They won’t obey you unless they fear you.” And later. “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.”

• 704 – After news of her army’s defeat at Casterly Rock, Daenerys questions Tyrion’s plans and his loyalty.

• 704 – Daenerys “Enough with the clever plans. I have 3 large dragons. I’m going to fly them to the red keep.”

• 705 – Daenerys executes Randal and Dickon Tarly when imprisonment was a perfectly viable option.

• 705 – Tyrion “Daenerys is not her father.” Varys “And she never will be with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen.”

• 705 – Tyrion devises a convoluted plan to capture a wight to convince Cersi to help fight the night King. Over the rest of seasons 7 and 8 this plan goes horribly wrong and results in the death of a dragon. The failure of this plan further degrades Daenerys’ trust of Tyrion.

• 801 – Lyanna Mormon publically confronts Jon Snow about giving up his crown and swearing allegiance to Daenerys. This is the beginning of Daenerys’ realization that she has no love in Westeros.

• 802 – Daenerys is angry that Tyrion’s advice about Cersei turned out to be wrong. Saying “Either you are a traitor or a fool.” And “Cersei still sits on the throne. If you can’t help me take it back I will find another Hand who can.”

• 803 – Jorah is killed in battle. He has proven to be one of the few advisors Daenerys had that tried to temper her impulses.

• 804 – Daenerys sees people praising Jon Snow and becomes jealous.

• 804 – Tormund “What kind of person climbs on a &^@#ing dragon? A madman, or a king!” (I’d like to point out when Tormund says “madman” it cuts to a shot of Dany, and when he says “or a king!” it cuts to Jon)

• 804 – Speaking about Jorah to Jon, Daenerys “He loved me and I couldn’t love him back. Not the way he wanted. Not the way I love you.” (Her love for Jon is not returned in 805)

• 804 – Daenerys “I saw them gathered around you. I saw the way they looked at you. I know that look. So many people have looked at me that way but never here.”

• 804 – Varys “These are the people you came here to protect. Do not destroy the city you came to save…” Daenerys “I’m here to save the world fromy tyrants… and I will serve it, no matter the cost.”

• 804 - Daenerys “Speaking to Cersei will not prevent a slaughter. But perhaps its good the people see Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down on them.” (We should note she is directly talking about “The People” here)

• 804 – Missandei’s final words before her execution. “Dracarys”.

• 805 – Varys “They say every time a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin and the world holds its breath.”

• 805 – Daenerys speaking to Jon “Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”

• 805 – After a half hearted kiss with Jon, Daenerys says “Alright then. Let it be fear.” (Echoing what Viserys said in 106)

• 805 – Tyrion “The people who live there, they’re not your enemies. They’re innocents.” Daenerys “Your sister knows how to use their enemies weaknesses against them. That’s what she thinks our mercy is. Our mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will not be held hostage by a tyrant.” (She’s all but saying she’s not going to show mercy and will butcher everyone in the city)

• 805 – Daenerys to Tyrion. “Next time your fail me will be the last time you fail me.”

And that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.

Here’s the point. Daenerys threatened multiple times to burn cities to the ground, she executed/murdered innocent people numerous times to consolidate power, she realized without love all she has left to rule with was fear, and she grew to distrust the only advisor trying to prevent her from burning down King’s landing.

She wasn’t “acting out of character” at any point in 805. She literally did the thing she’s threatened to do for multiple seasons.

 

 

[canuckistani]

1 hour ago, Generational.EP40 said:

In GOT, characters die the way they killed others. Ned beheaded someone with important information and was beheaded himself, Ramsey was killed by his dogs, the Night King died the way his former human self was killed, the Mountain died in a fire after burning his Brother. Cersei was burried under crumbling buildings after burrying everyone in the sept.

 

...this means Drogon will kill Dany. That or Jon since he’s blood of the dragon as well. Leaning on the latter being the likeliest. 

 

 

That would be the worst ending ever ( Drogon frying Dany): for one, Drogon is her most loyal Dragon and the one who sacrifices the most for her ( risking his own death to rescue her from arena in Mereen). For two, the entire plot armor Dany has, is literally that she is unburnable. Emerges from multiple giant fires that melts human flesh, cracks dragon eggs and she even has the two dragons stand behind her and spray dragon-fire in Qarth. No effect. And now she is all of a sudden combustable ? worst ending ever, if true. 

[Generational.EP40]

5 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

That would be the worst ending ever ( Drogon frying Dany): for one, Drogon is her most loyal Dragon and the one who sacrifices the most for her ( risking his own death to rescue her from arena in Mereen). For two, the entire plot armor Dany has, is literally that she is unburnable. Emerges from multiple giant fires that melts human flesh, cracks dragon eggs and she even has the two dragons stand behind her and spray dragon-fire in Qarth. No effect. And now she is all of a sudden combustable ? worst ending ever, if true. 

Yea, why I said probably the latter instead. 

 

If not Drogon (which as you explain doesn’t make sense), it’ll be Jon who’s blood of the dragon as well which is as close of a comparison you can get being a Targaryen like Dany...both being the only ones capable of riding the dragon and all...

 

Edited May 13, 2019 by Generational.EP40

[canuckistani]

1 minute ago, Generational.EP40 said:

Yea, why I said probably the latter instead. 

 

If not Drogon (which as you explain doesn’t make sense), it’ll be Jon who’s blood of the dragon as well which is as close of a comparison you can get being a Targaryen.

 

 

yeah. Well the show's proved that she is fire-proof. But she shouldn't be stab-proof. 

[DrJockitch]

18 minutes ago, canuckistani said:

That would be the worst ending ever ( Drogon frying Dany): for one, Drogon is her most loyal Dragon and the one who sacrifices the most for her ( risking his own death to rescue her from arena in Mereen). For two, the entire plot armor Dany has, is literally that she is unburnable. Emerges from multiple giant fires that melts human flesh, cracks dragon eggs and she even has the two dragons stand behind her and spray dragon-fire in Qarth. No effect. And now she is all of a sudden combustable ? worst ending ever, if true. 

I wouldn't be surprised if she tried to use Drogon to burn John and he doesn't burn.  Like her he is the blood of the dragon.

He is also the Fire and Ice of the Song.  That doesn't mean he wins in the end. 

Frankly I think they both die, it is a tragedy not a comedy.