NFL thread

[canuckfan_21]

Oh and also congrats to Peyton Manning for going out a Super Bowl champ.  I did also of course hear about that.

[Apple Juice]

12 hours ago, canuckfan_21 said:

Oh and also congrats to Peyton Manning for going out a Super Bowl champ.  I did also of course hear about that.

I hope you did... It was all over the news for a good two days

[gmen81]

18 hours ago, canuckfan_21 said:

Hey everybody 

 

Been away and travelling/working for the last little bit in case some of you all were curious where your local Lions fan went off to.  Glad to be back and start talking football again.  So disappointed that this last year was my first time I didn't get to watch the Super Bowl in forever and I also was forced to miss my Lions annual Super Bowl as well (draft day).

 

Can't wait to start catching up on everything that has happened in the sports world since I've been gone, only thing I really followed was I tried to watch a Raptors playoff game when it was possible.  Oh and plus I heard that deflategate had become a thing again.  Sort of glad I missed out on CDC at that moment

 

Oh and p.s. I hold no grudge for giving my fantasy team away 

Damn, sorry man I had no idea where you went and needed to get things rolling. You are always welcome back if a spot ever comes or if we get to 12 teams. 

[Baka]

Agholor the Eagles 1st round WR pick last year is under police investigation for raping a dancer in a club. It is an interesting story given Agholor has no criminal history and was touted as a high character man who always speaks very humble at least publicly. His character says she could be lying but on the other hand why would a woman lie about someone with such a strong public image and in such a public area.

[MayRayDown]

3 hours ago, Baka said:

Agholor the Eagles 1st round WR pick last year is under police investigation for raping a dancer in a club. It is an interesting story given Agholor has no criminal history and was touted as a high character man who always speaks very humble at least publicly. His character says she could be lying but on the other hand why would a woman lie about someone with such a strong public image and in such a public area.

And with a ton of Eagles players at the club in question at the time of the incident. Seems there's a lot of rape accusation lately to a lot of athletes

[Baka]

7 hours ago, MayRayDown said:

And with a ton of Eagles players at the club in question at the time of the incident. Seems there's a lot of rape accusation lately to a lot of athletes

From the early statements from people who were apparently their it sounds like Agholor hired the dancer for an hour long "session" in a private room at a rate of $1400 but the session ended early and he paid her $800 despite her wanting the full amount. She didn't mention anything regarding rape to any of the management or others their though and was later picked up by her friend.

 

Basically it sounds like Agholor hired her as an escort, busted faster than his 40 time, and felt he didn't have to pay her for the remaining time agreed too. The woman sounds like she is angry about the pay and figures she will take him for more cash given if they did have sex it certainly wouldn't have been legal ether way.

 

That is just my early opinion though. Cox and Barwin were two of the other Eagles their. Barwin said he left before the incident though another unnamed Eagle said Ahgolor did nothing wrong as well did multiple other dancers there.

[CBH1926]

21 minutes ago, Baka said:

From the early statements from people who were apparently their it sounds like Agholor hired the dancer for an hour long "session" in a private room at a rate of $1400 but the session ended early and he paid her $800 despite her wanting the full amount. She didn't mention anything regarding rape to any of the management or others their though and was later picked up by her friend.

 

Basically it sounds like Agholor hired her as an escort, busted faster than his 40 time, and felt he didn't have to pay her for the remaining time agreed too. The woman sounds like she is angry about the pay and figures she will take him for more cash given if they did have sex it certainly wouldn't have been legal ether way.

 

That is just my early opinion though. Cox and Barwin were two of the other Eagles their. Barwin said he left before the incident though another unnamed Eagle said Ahgolor did nothing wrong as well did multiple other dancers there.

Not commenting on this case directly, but there is no sport in a world that has that many legitimate criminals like the NFL.

 

[Baka]

6 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Not commenting on this case directly, but there is no sport in a world that has that many legitimate criminals like the NFL.

 

I would say it is probably related to amount of players and access to the game. The league has the biggest rosters at 53 men per active roster on 32 teams. Football is also very easy to play as most schools fund it so people who had poorer upbringings and a history of behavior issues can get into the league easier than say the NHL where you need a bit of money and effort just to get a chance to get on a team.

[CBH1926]

4 minutes ago, Baka said:

I would say it is probably related to amount of players and access to the game. The league has the biggest rosters at 53 men per active roster on 32 teams. Football is also very easy to play as most schools fund it so people who had poorer upbringings and a history of behavior issues can get into the league easier than say the NHL where you need a bit of money and effort just to get a chance to get on a team.

Back in the day rosters were just as big but NFL was not known as national felons league.

Nowadays, lot of these guys have red flags in high school and college but winning trumps all.

The amount of money that the NFL makes plays a huge roll.

[Baka]

1 hour ago, CBH1926 said:

Back in the day rosters were just as big but NFL was not known as national felons league.

Nowadays, lot of these guys have red flags in high school and college but winning trumps all.

The amount of money that the NFL makes plays a huge roll.

I disagree on that to a degree. Back in the day the NFL still had a lot of poorly behaved players but issues were swept under the rug or not brought attention to. Things like the Ray Rice and Greg Hardy incidents likely would have never been big stories if stories at all back in the day but given modern social media and technology such behavior doesn't slip under the radar so easily. It is relevant to all sports you see hockey players in hot water more often now than you did in the past. 

 

Money is also huge as you said as back in the day average players really didn't make much. Now you can be a 3rd string QB or a kicker making millions a year and because of social media they can still get the celebrity effect where as such players wouldn't in the past. 

 

But yes the NFL does have an issue with arrests and winning trumps all. It reflects society though as fans will hate a player on another team who breaks the law but if that player ends up on their team and plays well they will forget about that.

[TheRussianRocket.]

Breshad Perriman tears his ACL, out for the year. Missed his entire rookie campaign last season as well with a PCL injury. 

 

..unfortunate af. Wonder if they Ravens cut him or still keep him around? Seems like a pretty big bust atm and doubt he ever comes back healthy as the player he once was when drafted.

[Jiggs50]

29 minutes ago, TheRussianRocket. said:

Breshad Perriman tears his ACL, out for the year. Missed his entire rookie campaign last season as well with a PCL injury. 

 

..unfortunate af. Wonder if they Ravens cut him or still keep him around? Seems like a pretty big bust atm and doubt he ever comes back healthy as the player he once was when drafted.

So far he's been a massive bust. Highly doubt the Ravens will release a 1st rd pick only 1 year later though. Hasn't even seen the field. After next year maybe. 

[Bruce Boudreau]

It's dispipicable arguably the Eagles too nest players and Hugh character leader types in Connor Barwin and Fletcher Cox hanging out at strip joints. Why don't print trams have morals clauses. So many of these situations could be avoided. Plus they were hanging out at a strip joints in the middle of the afternoon. These athletes today are majority scum.

 

Whether or not Agholor raoed her or what players were there they shoudl have never been there in the first place.

 

The money is out of control too much time and power media spotlight with social media puts these people in power and they think they are all a list celebrities.

 

Agholor looks like a total bust. Never wanted him from the day Eagles drafted him. Seems like a lot of these high character guys are just phonies and do it for the PR and to keep a positive public persona up.

 

Doesn't surprise me anymore when good guys like Mickelson are caught lying cheating or being fraudulent.

[Bruce Boudreau]

NFL has a ton of thugs and so does the NBA. The common factor is blacks raised from poor backgrounds with poor family support and very little money growing up for food,rent, and time to stay way form drugs and focus on education.

 

Hockey is still White/ European dominated. It is a very expensive sport yo get into most NHL players come from middle class to upper middle class families so they are in good environments growing up and away from drugs and gangs and are raised properly .

[Bruce Boudreau]

On 10/06/2016 at 7:45 PM, Baka said:

Agholor the Eagles 1st round WR pick last year is under police investigation for raping a dancer in a club. It is an interesting story given Agholor has no criminal history and was touted as a high character man who always speaks very humble at least publicly. His character says she could be lying but on the other hand why would a woman lie about someone with such a strong public image and in such a public area.

I am always weary of these safe high character types who come off too perfect like Cody Hodgson Phil Mickelson,Russel Wilson, Sidney Crosby. There is something fake there when your answers are always all politically correct and you try to maintain a private a life as possible.

[Apple Juice]

5 hours ago, Chip Kelly said:

I am always weary of these safe high character types who come off too perfect like Cody Hodgson Phil Mickelson,Russel Wilson, Sidney Crosby. There is something fake there when your answers are always all politically correct and you try to maintain a private a life as possible.

Not a bad thing if they want to maintain a private life. It's not like they have anything to hide and that they're putting on a mask in front of everyone. Personal life problems should be kept private and if anyone tries poking at it, then they have every right to remain as quiet as possible.

[Bruce Boudreau]

Just now, Apple Juice said:

Not a bad thing if they want to maintain a private life. It's not like they have anything to hide and that they're putting on a mask in front of everyone. Personal life problems should be kept private and if anyone tries poking at it, then they have every right to remain as quiet as possible.

Like I said that may be the case but the high profile ones are suspect like Russel Wilson saying God came to him in a dream or talks to him and said he needed to lead Ciara like wtf?

 

It was also a little messy how he broke off with this college girlfriend with the rumors of cheating or a possible affair.

 

The things it though some are hiding. For a long time Mickelson was the good guy to bad guy Tiger until Phil had his own issues of fraud and having insider knowledge when buying stocks.

 

Also Mickelson is known to put his kids in front of the cameras when they are rolling to show he is a "family man" and then ignore them the other times.

 

Just saying some of these "high character guys are more a persona than actually being high moral people" .

 

Didn't Brady cheat on his past wife girlfriend before Giselle too and yet people still worship him as if he never can do any wrong.

[Baka]

14 hours ago, Chip Kelly said:

It's dispipicable arguably the Eagles too nest players and Hugh character leader types in Connor Barwin and Fletcher Cox hanging out at strip joints. Why don't print trams have morals clauses. So many of these situations could be avoided. Plus they were hanging out at a strip joints in the middle of the afternoon. These athletes today are majority scum.

 

Whether or not Agholor raoed her or what players were there they shoudl have never been there in the first place.

 

The money is out of control too much time and power media spotlight with social media puts these people in power and they think they are all a list celebrities.

 

Agholor looks like a total bust. Never wanted him from the day Eagles drafted him. Seems like a lot of these high character guys are just phonies and do it for the PR and to keep a positive public persona up.

 

Doesn't surprise me anymore when good guys like Mickelson are caught lying cheating or being fraudulent.

I think you are overreacting. Almost every athlete in every sport has been in a club before and walked out without incident. Just because a few guys have incidents is no reason for the other 98% to say they can't handle themselves appropriately. I really don't think going to a club makes someone scum, that is a really weird way to judge someones character.

 

Also I am unsure how old you and the other guy are and if it is juvenoia or ignorance but I really don't get where these, "Athletes today..." thing comes from. If going to clubs and chasing skirts makes you scum then athletes of all generations are scum. For example the recently passed Muhammad Ali was an older guy and is being praised for what he did through his life. He was also a womanizer who enjoyed clubs. Could be said for quiet a lot of older athletes in every sport.

 

With that said you are going quite hard at Agholor when early continued reports sound more and more like nothing will come of it and he isn't currently because charged with anything. 

 

I will also add this I have never been to this club but I am vaguely familiar with it as they have ads for it all over town and after looking at it again it isn't a shady back ally strip club. It is located near the stadiums and also serves food like a restaurant and is a sports hang out as well to a degree. Kind of like a strip club with elements like Hooters and a Sports Bar. In other words people stopping in in the day isn't that crazy. It doesn't exactly mean someone like Barwin went and got plastered while getting a lap dance. 

 

With that said Agholor has looked like a bust and early reports are he doesn't look any better in camp and is struggling to even catch passes.

 

 

14 hours ago, Chip Kelly said:

NFL has a ton of thugs and so does the NBA. The common factor is blacks raised from poor backgrounds with poor family support and very little money growing up for food,rent, and time to stay way form drugs and focus on education.

 

Hockey is still White/ European dominated. It is a very expensive sport yo get into most NHL players come from middle class to upper middle class families so they are in good environments growing up and away from drugs and gangs and are raised properly .

I wouldn't say it is race related just rags to riches issues. A lot of players who tend to have issues are players who grew up around low end people who never changed and they remain around him. Michael Vick is a fairly good example as is his brother. His brothers career was basically ruined because be never got out of it and Michael's was close to it though after his arrest credit to him he's one of the few athletes who has completely changed his surroundings and bettered himself.

 

With that said the hockey comparison is off. Every kid is going to be around drugs no matter where they are raised. I went to school in the suburbs in a town that once had the 2nd lowest crime rate in the USA and was full almost entirely of middle class to millionaire white families. A lot of the kids just spent their parents money on drugs and just shared it with friends often in school itself. The school had a mocking nickname of Potcrest and they eventually started doing random drug searches where they had a drug sniffing dog come in and smell the lockers and cars then go into the classrooms and sniff the students bags. A few of the people I went to school with died of overdose and a few more died from fatal car crashes sometimes from driving high. Every death but one was a white kid from money and some were athletes. A common trend is many of these kids are well spoken and they tell their parents what they want to hear and do their own thing. 

 

With that said the NHL has had numerous players especially lately emerge with drug abuse issues and some who weren't caught had some stories of it around them. Just looking at the Flyers (team I am most familiar with), almost every player has pics of them blasted with red eyes in bars and clubs. Numerous porn stars with a history with multiple players and attending games, released stories involving former guys like Briere going behind his now ex wives back with them. Giroux groping cops. Jason Smith retired then beat his wife and daughter. Flyers prospect Nick Cousins sexual assault case. Zherdev and his wife fighting in the street. And mind you that is just off the top of my head on one team. 

 

The NFL has had some fairly alarming cases with some players who are legit thugs but the NHL and it's higher class upbringing still produce players who have quite a bit of issues.

 

Also keep in mind many white NFL players who came from money also had issues. Johnny Manziel is a good recent example. 

[Bruce Boudreau]

2 hours ago, Baka said:

I think you are overreacting. Almost every athlete in every sport has been in a club before and walked out without incident. Just because a few guys have incidents is no reason for the other 98% to say they can't handle themselves appropriately. I really don't think going to a club makes someone scum, that is a really weird way to judge someones character.

 

Also I am unsure how old you and the other guy are and if it is juvenoia or ignorance but I really don't get where these, "Athletes today..." thing comes from. If going to clubs and chasing skirts makes you scum then athletes of all generations are scum. For example the recently passed Muhammad Ali was an older guy and is being praised for what he did through his life. He was also a womanizer who enjoyed clubs. Could be said for quiet a lot of older athletes in every sport.

 

With that said you are going quite hard at Agholor when early continued reports sound more and more like nothing will come of it and he isn't currently because charged with anything. 

 

I will also add this I have never been to this club but I am vaguely familiar with it as they have ads for it all over town and after looking at it again it isn't a shady back ally strip club. It is located near the stadiums and also serves food like a restaurant and is a sports hang out as well to a degree. Kind of like a strip club with elements like Hooters and a Sports Bar. In other words people stopping in in the day isn't that crazy. It doesn't exactly mean someone like Barwin went and got plastered while getting a lap dance. 

 

With that said Agholor has looked like a bust and early reports are he doesn't look any better in camp and is struggling to even catch passes.

 

 

I wouldn't say it is race related just rags to riches issues. A lot of players who tend to have issues are players who grew up around low end people who never changed and they remain around him. Michael Vick is a fairly good example as is his brother. His brothers career was basically ruined because be never got out of it and Michael's was close to it though after his arrest credit to him he's one of the few athletes who has completely changed his surroundings and bettered himself.

 

With that said the hockey comparison is off. Every kid is going to be around drugs no matter where they are raised. I went to school in the suburbs in a town that once had the 2nd lowest crime rate in the USA and was full almost entirely of middle class to millionaire white families. A lot of the kids just spent their parents money on drugs and just shared it with friends often in school itself. The school had a mocking nickname of Potcrest and they eventually started doing random drug searches where they had a drug sniffing dog come in and smell the lockers and cars then go into the classrooms and sniff the students bags. A few of the people I went to school with died of overdose and a few more died from fatal car crashes sometimes from driving high. Every death but one was a white kid from money and some were athletes. A common trend is many of these kids are well spoken and they tell their parents what they want to hear and do their own thing. 

 

With that said the NHL has had numerous players especially lately emerge with drug abuse issues and some who weren't caught had some stories of it around them. Just looking at the Flyers (team I am most familiar with), almost every player has pics of them blasted with red eyes in bars and clubs. Numerous porn stars with a history with multiple players and attending games, released stories involving former guys like Briere going behind his now ex wives back with them. Giroux groping cops. Jason Smith retired then beat his wife and daughter. Flyers prospect Nick Cousins sexual assault case. Zherdev and his wife fighting in the street. And mind you that is just off the top of my head on one team. 

 

The NFL has had some fairly alarming cases with some players who are legit thugs but the NHL and it's higher class upbringing still produce players who have quite a bit of issues.

 

Also keep in mind many white NFL players who came from money also had issues. Johnny Manziel is a good recent example. 

Well said and all fair I suppose. I am not personally against Agholor but it is good you mentioned that about Muhammad Ali it's just the boys being boys culture still exsists and it bothers me when athletes today are still put on pedestals as being role models and giving to charity when they are getting tax breaks and womanizers etc.

 

I am not saying all athltes are bad but I don't think kids should be raised to be idolized and worship celebrities as is often the case in today's culture.

 

Much of today's youth cares about news happening related to sports stars or gossip on TMZ instead of actual news and keeping role models like their parents who are real and work hard.

[SabreFan1]

I know we always joke about the NHL hating the Canucks, but in the NFL, I'm really starting to believe that the NFL front office and maybe a few owners actually do have it out for Robert Kraft and his team's front office.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/06/12/nfl-forces-patriots-to-wear-numbered-jerseys-at-practice/