apollo Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 You have to consider what it does mentally to group of forwards when they've lost respect for the ability of their goaltender to be consistent behind them. Already mentally and physically exhausted and battered and to watch 1...2...or 3 weak goals go in behind them in succession just sucks the energy out of even the most talented goal scorers. They then play paranoid. The D is afraid to rush the puck or take any chances moving up into the play. And is not so much letting in one weak goal here or there. Its having the mentality to forget it and jump back to being the best goalie on the ice. An ability that was painfully absent from Lu's game. Maybe he's learned. Maybe his new coaching drills in the lock-out has instilled better habits which would result in better confidence after a weak goal. Maybe. But for me, I've given up hope on Lu and just can't sit through another gut wrenching spectacle like the first periods of games 6 and 7 of 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primus099 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 You have to consider what it does mentally to group of forwards when they've lost respect for the ability of their goaltender to be consistent behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Two things. If the term were shorter, the cap hit, while still being bigger than that of his previous contract, didn't have to be that brutal. In other words, they didn't have to start at $64 mil and reverse engineer the contract. They could have just said "fewer years, more gradient drop off", and come up with a number that worked. The other thing is, comparing Luongo to Hossa, Zetterberg, and Franzen does not follow. Those three have demonstrated an ability to, for the most part, become superhuman in the playoffs. Luongo, while having flashes of brilliance, has a history of absolutely falling apart in the playoffs. People would jump over their mother to trade for any of those other 3 (maybe not Franzen). Respectfully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thema Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 "Carried the team" "singlehandedly" to Game 7 of the finals; one wonders what the rest of the team thinks when they read this crapola, especially when the same people who contend that Lou was the be all to end all pass off his terrible meltdowns as "team efforts". You can't have it both ways folks. Firstly we got to game 5 of the finals and then quit, secondly I think it is just a tad disrespectful to be considering the Sedins, Burr, Kes et al as chopped liver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 ALL LONG TERM CONTRACTS LIKE THIS ARE "BAD". I don't care who it is. I would never sign someone to such a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm noticing a pattern on MG moves. Ballard trade, was an insurance policy in case we didn't get Hamhuis. Luongo contract, he wanted a lower cap hit, never considered he might have to trade him down the road. Hodgson, didn't like dealing with the pestering of Agent and Dad. Didn't want to wait until the offseason to unload him. Basically he does moves that make sense at the time, but long term not so much. I'd have prefered a 5-6 year deal. $10 million first year, $8 million, $6 Million, $4 Million, $2 Million. Or 10, 8, 6, 5, 4, 2. Luongo would have been dealt in the offseason with a more reasonable contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Frankly I don't see the contract as onerous as some make it out to be http://www.capgeek.com/player/683 12 year deal and the last 4 years are for chump change or a good back up salary. The team can trade him after 7 years ( 2 years gone already ) so fundamentally it has 4 years left after this year. That makes him 37 and he keeps himself in great shape that's not a bad deal. Plus he's the 7th highest Goalie in the league with a Cap hit of $5.3....there's a lot worse than that. It's mainly the peanut gallery prompted by the eastern media that are making all the fuss. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Then show us how the number of the contract would work if Gilis didn't give Luongo that contract. Note that he's coming off from a close to 7 mil of cap hit that year and was still dominating the league as a goalie. He's not going to accept a contract that pays him 1 million at the age of 37-38 since that's probably the time period you want to drop off his salary to offset the cap hit. To sum up your first point, you will have to end up paying him at least 6.5 mil - 7.5 mil in cap hit if you want to sign him without giving him a front load type of contract, similar to what Rangers did. Now onto the most interesting point, and that is how vancouver fans look at the game. Like i said, probably the only city in the NHl where fans would crucify their goalie when they can get to a game 7 in SCF with 8 goalies in total is vancouver.... He single handedly forced a game 7, and yet the fans would think he should do more. it's the "grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" that makes me sick. To them, the game that matters is the game we lose. This is why the first person those uneducated fans would point to after a loss is our goalie, and this will continue to happen to our future goalies as long as people such as yourself remain a fan to the team. you would rather have those people you listed with a life time front load contract? - Franzen had 4 points combine in this last 2 seasons in the playoff - Zetterberg? 3 points last season with a first round exit. With these two players, the detroit has failed to get past the second round in the last two seasons. - Hossa? He got a freaking 6 points (2 goals) in his last two season of playoff The players that you claimed you would have over Luongo would be BBQ on a pike if they play for vancouver. some of the vancouver fans are so destructive and hostile toward the players of our team that i am not suprised why there was a riot 2 years ago. The same group of people chased Bure and Naslund away, called the Sedins the Sisters, and will continue to chase everyone of our franchise player away in the future as soon as they have an off season. No team with this kind of envorinment would win a cup, and it's because of idiots such as yourself exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 That contract got us to game seven of the finals. 'nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Frankly I don't see the contract as onerous as some make it out to be http://www.capgeek.com/player/683 12 year deal and the last 4 years are for chump change or a good back up salary. The team can trade him after 7 years ( 2 years gone already ) so fundamentally it has 4 years left after this year. That makes him 37 and he keeps himself in great shape that's not a bad deal. Plus he's the 7th highest Goalie in the league with a Cap hit of $5.3....there's a lot worse than that. It's mainly the peanut gallery prompted by the eastern media that are making all the fuss. IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It's the sum of the parts. Cap hit + term + NTC. And the only real reason anyone is making a fuss is because he's on the block and because of the way it happened. That and the fact that a few teams have passed/balked on a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 This deal shows how raw Gillis was. The groin injury is never mentioned and yet changed his career and the fortunes of the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 That contract got us to game seven of the finals. 'nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuck nit Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Everybody in the league laughs at Luongo's contract. DiPietro and Luongo.Ditch that contract ASAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 One seasin after luongo single handedly push the team to 7 games in the scf, and here we are having discussions of how luongo had been worse than other players...... The fan base in Vancouver is so uneducated and hostile ( some of them) that its very embarrassing to see they call themselves fans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 20 teams in the NHL would have picked him up for the 7-8.5 million dollar hit. The contract was fantastic... one of Gillis few good moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 *sigh* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted April 2, 2013 Author Share Posted April 2, 2013 Vansicle, on 01 April 2013 - 01:14 PM, said: Two things. If the term were shorter, the cap hit, while still being bigger than that of his previous contract, didn't have to be that brutal. In other words, they didn't have to start at $64 mil and reverse engineer the contract. They could have just said "fewer years, more gradient drop off", and come up with a number that worked. The other thing is, comparing Luongo to Hossa, Zetterberg, and Franzen does not follow. Those three have demonstrated an ability to, for the most part, become superhuman in the playoffs. Luongo, while having flashes of brilliance, has a history of absolutely falling apart in the playoffs. People would jump over their mother to trade for any of those other 3 (maybe not Franzen). Respectfully. Piggy1983 ... POINT 1 No team with this kind of envorinment would win a cup, and it's because of idiots such as yourself exist. ... POINT 2 He single handedly forced a game 7, and yet the fans would think he should do more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 You can still be a fan of the team without being a fan of the / a goaltender. They are the Vancouver Canucks after all, not the Vancouver Luongos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted April 2, 2013 Share Posted April 2, 2013 It did pay off. He carried the team to game 7 of the finals and had two shutouts in the final. What didn't pay off was the team barely averaging over one goal per game ... 8 in 7 games if I'm not mistaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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