Take a Few Notes MG & Canucks Management

[TheRussianRocket.]

*Note: not a MG hater, just a fan who talks the truth*

We all know the Canucks take on more crap than any other team in the NHL when it comes to refs/calls,and it's shameful to see that the organization is one that plays it out like its not a big deal and that the players can overcome it. The truth however states otherwise and once the zebras on the ice are against you, there's very little to no chance you will win. It's been this teams fate since forever and again, it's shaming to see management does nothing and takes on this crap. Take a note: San Jose's whole management from top to bottom took action about Torres 'illegal hit', from GM to coaches to players. That's how you spark a team, by giving them the confidence that even management is willing to call out bs with them; it motivates players then too...heck, if your organization is one that is quiet, it's likely the players will be too.

Comments from Sharks GM Doug Wilson and other personnel from the team:

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/story/2013/05/17/sp-nhl-san-jose-sharks-raffi-torres-doug-wilson.html

San Jose Sharks general manager Doug Wilson said Friday that the organization strongly disagrees with the NHL's decision to suspend forward Raffi Torres for a hit that knocked out Los Angeles forward Jarret Stoll.

"It is abundantly clear that this was a clean hockey hit," Wilson said in a statement. "As noted by the NHL, Raffi's initial point of contact was a shoulder-to-shoulder hit on an opponent who was playing the puck. He did not leave his feet or elevate, he kept his shoulder tucked and elbow down at his side, and he was gliding — not skating or charging."

The NHL's Department of Player Safety sharply disagreed while suspending Torres on Thursday for the rest of the second-round series. It is the fourth career suspension for Torres, who is considered a repeat offender in dangerous hits under the league's collective bargaining agreement.

Stoll was bent forward while trying to play a bouncing puck when Torres approached him from the side for a violent hit in Game 1 on Tuesday night. Stoll's head snapped back violently before he fell forward onto the ice.

In an explanatory video released by Brendan Shanahan, the NHL's senior vice-president of player safety, he said Stoll's head was "the principal point of contact" in the hit, creating grounds for suspension. Although Torres initially made contact with Stoll's right shoulder, Shanahan ruled that the shoulder hit was only a glancing blow, as evidenced by the direction both players travelled after the contact.

Wilson said the head must be targeted to violate Rule 48.1 and there is no evidence that Torres targeted Stoll's head. Wilson also said Stoll put himself in a vulnerable position just before the hit to play a bouncing puck.

"It appears that the NHL has not only made an inappropriate application of this rule but is trying to make an example out of a player who is being judged on past events, one who has changed his game dramatically this season and taken only six minor penalties in 39 games," Wilson said.

While playing for Phoenix last season, Torres received a 21-game suspension — initially 25 games — for a high hit on Chicago star Marian Hossa in the first round of the playoffs. Torres was suspended for two games in January 2012 for charging Minnesota defenceman Nate Prosser, and he sat out four games in April 2011 for a hit to the head of Edmonton's Jordan Eberle while playing for Vancouver.

'It's a clean hit'

Stoll missed Game 2 of the series and there is no timetable for his return.

"It's a clean hit," Sharks forward Logan Couture said. "Unfortunately, the guy got injured. If they suspended guys for every time someone else got hurt, even if it's a clean hit, there would be a lot of suspensions in this league. And it's just not fair."[b/]

Wilson says Torres will not appeal the suspension because he does not want to be a distraction to the team. San Jose trails the series 2-0 heading into Game 3 at home on Saturday night.

Torres' teammates said they are using Torres' absence as inspiration.

"It's the playoffs you always find something to rally," forward Scott Gomez said. "He's a great teammate and a great guy and we want him to play. He's tremendous in the room with the young guys. It's our job to get it to the next round so he can play."

[The Magician]

If I was AV or MG or the Sedins after game 4 I would've lost it and ripped the refs to pieces. The fine they would have got from the NHL would be to the equivalent of a dollar to me.

[M A K A V E L I 96]

It's just a different version of Bieksa's "the Sharks are divers" speech. A distraction designed to take the heat off the team and have a built-in excuse for losing.

[The Brahma Bull]

Oh man, if they somehow managed to get to the next round it would be so epic. Hossa vs Torres round 2. I bet shanahan would suspend him just for looking at hossa.

[CanucksJay]

*Note: not a MG hater, just a fan who talks the truth*

We all know the Canucks take on more crap than any other team in the NHL when it comes to refs/calls,and it's shameful to see that the organization is one that plays it out like its not a big deal and that the players can overcome it. The truth however states otherwise and once the zebras on the ice are against you, there's very little to no chance you will win. It's been this teams fate since forever and again, it's shaming to see management does nothing and takes on this crap. Take a note: San Jose's whole management from top to bottom took action about Torres 'illegal hit', from GM to coaches to players. That's how you spark a team, by giving them the confidence that even management is willing to call out bs with them; it motivates players then too...heck, if your organization is one that is quiet, it's likely the players will be too.

Comments from Sharks GM Doug Wilson and other personnel from the team:

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...oug-wilson.html

That is the type of team and organization I want to proud to be a fan of, one that doesn't take abuse and isn't afraid to share it. These are just comments from the Torres suspension alone, you should see the ones they made about the penalty calls which led to LA winning last game. And don't give me any of that MG called out the Hawks in game 7 and AV called out the Sharks....our management is scared and calls them out too late. Point in case, AV and players call out after we're eliminated this year - what do they expect? To come back in game 9 and play some imaginary games? Call em out right away, and we're lucky we won game 7 against the Hawks too as dominant as we were that series....guys in the zebra shirts decide games and you better be ready to call them out.

Our management is scared to get a fine or two and will only do it at the last second when the series is over or before a game 7 when momentum has already shifted. Why I wouldn't mind seeing Ruff and Burke as coach and GM as unlikely as that seems, but they would sound off every night. Half their salary would be gone within the first month of the season and they still wouldn't care. That's what it's about; having management who can set an example for players, and good one at that like how San Jose has as much as you may despise them for they're antics they used against us.

[RyanKeslord17]

You would be a proud fan of a team that whines because of the leagues decision?

You should be happy as a Canucks fan then...

[TheRussianRocket.]

It's not whining, it's simply having management that will speak up when it has to.

[RyanKeslord17]

It's not whining, it's simply having management that will speak up when it has to.

[Clinch16]

*Note: not a MG hater, just a fan who talks the truth*

We all know the Canucks take on more crap than any other team in the NHL when it comes to refs/calls,and it's shameful to see that the organization is one that plays it out like its not a big deal and that the players can overcome it. The truth however states otherwise and once the zebras on the ice are against you, there's very little to no chance you will win. It's been this teams fate since forever and again, it's shaming to see management does nothing and takes on this crap. Take a note: San Jose's whole management from top to bottom took action about Torres 'illegal hit', from GM to coaches to players. That's how you spark a team, by giving them the confidence that even management is willing to call out bs with them; it motivates players then too...heck, if your organization is one that is quiet, it's likely the players will be too.

Comments from Sharks GM Doug Wilson and other personnel from the team:

http://www.cbc.ca/sp...oug-wilson.html

That is the type of team and organization I want to proud to be a fan of, one that doesn't take abuse and isn't afraid to share it. These are just comments from the Torres suspension alone, you should see the ones they made about the penalty calls which led to LA winning last game. And don't give me any of that MG called out the Hawks in game 7 and AV called out the Sharks....our management is scared and calls them out too late. Point in case, AV and players call out after we're eliminated this year - what do they expect? To come back in game 9 and play some imaginary games? Call em out right away, and we're lucky we won game 7 against the Hawks too as dominant as we were that series....guys in the zebra shirts decide games and you better be ready to call them out.

Our management is scared to get a fine or two and will only do it at the last second when the series is over or before a game 7 when momentum has already shifted. Why I wouldn't mind seeing Ruff and Burke as coach and GM as unlikely as that seems, but they would sound off every night. Half their salary would be gone within the first month of the season and they still wouldn't care. That's what it's about; having management who can set an example for players, and good one at that like how San Jose has as much as you may despise them for they're antics they used against us.

[apollo]

F u sharks. Karmas a bitch

[JiffyPB]

LOL Sharks just got slapped a $100,000 fine by the league for that.

http://www.nhl.com/i...id=nhl:topheads

NEW YORK -- The San Jose Sharks have been fined $100,000 for public comments by General Manager Doug Wilson pertaining to the suspension of Sharks forward Raffi Torres, the National Hockey League announced today.

The fine was issued for violation of League Rules that prohibit formal team statements to the media during the 48-hour period following a disciplinary decision. The Rule calls for an automatic fine of $25,000. The Sharks were fined an additional $75,000 under Article 6 of the League's Constitution due to the inappropriate nature of the comments.

On January 17, 2013 a memorandum was issued to all Clubs regarding Disciplinary Procedures for the 2012-13 season. Following is the excerpt from the memorandum dealing with 'Prohibited Communications':

"... In addition to the foregoing, the League also has imposed a prohibition on Club employees and representatives communicating with the Department of Player Safety (or with the Commissioner in the case of an appeal of a decision) in order to attempt to influence its (or his) determination regarding whether or not to impose Supplemental Discipline. Specifically, such communications are prohibited beginning with warm-up preceding a game, and continuing until forty-eight (48) hours after the later of: (i) the conclusion of such game, or (ii) in the event the Department of Player Safety holds a hearing, within forty-eight (48) hours following a disciplinary decision. In the event of an appeal to the Commissioner, Club employees and representatives are also prohibited from discussing the merits of the Supplemental Discipline determination that is the subject of the appeal with the Commissioner or the Department of Player Safety until forty eight (48) hours after the Commissioner's decision. The foregoing prohibition extends to include formal team statements to the media and press releases issued during such period..."

[Dogbyte]

Umm, we did that in 2011, didn't work then either.

[The Colt 45s]

Clamp down and fine the Sharks all you want, but speaking truthfully never gets old.

I saw the hit, and it is a crap shoot at best especially at speed. If it was anyone else but Torres throwing that hit, I do not think there is any significant suspension. Frankly, I do not think there was any attempt to injure but the injury was consequential of the hit. Either take hitting out of the game completely and the NHL becomes the Ice Capades, or just accept the fact that injuries will happen.

The problem I have is that the game today is being filled with a bunch of premadonnas, whereas sissies are allowed to skate freely. I love Henrik and Daniel and there is no disrespect, but they are no Petr Forsberg or Mats Sundin. At times they are a one trick pony that every D in the league, especially in a seven game series, has figured out.

Heck, just look at Pavel Bure elbowing Shane Churla in the head. It was deliberate and he knocked Churla out. "The hit came after Bure had been cross-checked from behind by defenceman Craig Ludwig and hit in the head by Churla while he was still on his knees on the ice. Bure also scored two goals in the game to help Vancouver to a 3–0 win. Although Bure was not initially penalized for the play, he later received a $500 fine from the league.^[47][48]." In today's game, he would have been kicked out of the game and probably suspended for the rest of the series. Do we really want that in the game today? Yes it sucks to have your star players knocked out, but it is just hockey. If you want to play the game, you have accept the fact that you may get injured for life.

[TheRussianRocket.]

^ well said. Last sentence says it all. Not that we want players to get career ending injuries, but it's the risk you take to play the game. Look at Lindros/Stevens incident...lunfortuante, but you gotta accept it.

[TheRussianRocket.]

Not to brag, but look who just won 2-1 in OT today with a 5-on-3? Coincidence they might of been on the PP right now when they won, but the main point is if you saw the match today, you could easily see the Sharks had a fire lit and were playing more motivated than before.

...simple thing if our management could do that, not saying we would win a Cup, but at least our guys would play with more heart.

[CanAus8]

It's a shame that the NHL has lowered itself to this level where ALL teams are complaining about the referees and, most of the time, it is with good reasons. The league (Bettman's version of it) needs to sell the game in a lot of market places where the fans did not grow up playing street hockey and the majority of them can't skate. They don't really know or understand the game - it's hard to truly understand a game that you have never played competitively..

Power plays are exciting. The referees are instructed to call lots of penalties to make the game more marketable. Often the penalty calls are borderline and inconsistent. The "new rules" has created a culture of diving and posturing to try to get the upper hand. I really hope the sensible team owners (read this as the Canadian owners and some of the older American teams) address the growing problems with the rules and the referees attempt to interpret them.