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We do not want Tortorello Here - Gillis give your fat head a shake! you are always too late to make any desicions- If Gillis hires Tortorello, the only reason is because he is under the gun, and has to do something- also, he knows Torts will take the heat off him for a while....so he has time to find himself a new job before he gets fired as well- MG - you could have had the cup.. a few years back- but you did'nt make the right trades (which is your job). if Tororello is hired - the rebuilding era will start next season after half the players get P'd off and don't want to play for him.

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We do not want Tortorello Here - Gillis give your fat head a shake! you are always too late to make any desicions- If Gillis hires Tortorello, the only reason is because he is under the gun, and has to do something- also, he knows Torts will take the heat off him for a while....so he has time to find himself a new job before he gets fired as well- MG - you could have had the cup.. a few years back- but you did'nt make the right trades (which is your job). if Tororello is hired - the rebuilding era will start next season after half the players get P'd off and don't want to play for him.

YOU don't want Tortorella here. Speak for y-o-u-r-s-e-l-f.

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We do not want Tortorello Here - Gillis give your fat head a shake! you are always too late to make any desicions- If Gillis hires Tortorello, the only reason is because he is under the gun, and has to do something- also, he knows Torts will take the heat off him for a while....so he has time to find himself a new job before he gets fired as well- MG - you could have had the cup.. a few years back- but you did'nt make the right trades (which is your job). if Tororello is hired - the rebuilding era will start next season after half the players get P'd off and don't want to play for him.

I actually DO want Tortorella. Shut up
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We do not want Tortorello Here - Gillis give your fat head a shake! you are always too late to make any desicions- If Gillis hires Tortorello, the only reason is because he is under the gun, and has to do something- also, he knows Torts will take the heat off him for a while....so he has time to find himself a new job before he gets fired as well- MG - you could have had the cup.. a few years back- but you did'nt make the right trades (which is your job). if Tororello is hired - the rebuilding era will start next season after half the players get P'd off and don't want to play for him.

I actually DO want Torts here too, so I ditto that shut up.

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Getting Craig Ramsay would be huge if they could lure him from Florida, as he won Cup with Torts in TB.

Ramsay also served the very important role of being "good cop" so to speak. He acted as a buffer between the rough edges of Tors and the players, at least if you believe what you read about the situation in TB. I think he would be a great addition for that aspect. I still think they need a special teams specialist too though. Someone that can really get the PP and PK back to an elite level. We have the personnel, we just need the strategy and the adjustments that Brown could not bring at the end.

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I am not sure what there is too "love" about this decision. At best, he maybe able to get some urgency into the team, however that will not address the needs at center and defence, and the whole goaltending issue. At worst, the team tunes him out, the Sedins ride out into the sunset, no free agents want to sign here, the Canucks relationship with referees will NOT improve, and the team will go through yet another coaching change in a short time. This is lots to gamble on this guy.

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You know what's pissin me off? The fact the Media is already trying to turn Torts into a villain in Vancouver. BEFORE he's been officially announced as the guy...

Like **** off, give the guy a chance... If he is a canuck, we should all stand behind him and see what he can do for us. I know I will support him 100% anyone who is listening to what the media has to say is an idiot.

The media is LOVING this, they now have a villain to turn on

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I am not sure what there is too "love" about this decision. At best, he maybe able to get some urgency into the team, however that will not address the needs at center and defence, and the whole goaltending issue. At worst, the team tunes him out, the Sedins ride out into the sunset, no free agents want to sign here, the Canucks relationship with referees will NOT improve, and the team will go through yet another coaching change in a short time. This is lots to gamble on this guy.

What is the expectation for a coach in Van? AV tried to ride the season out hoping that Kesler's return would right his puck possession game. The team was way below 50% before Kesler's return and he did bring that average up. As the FO % improved so did Van's offense. The 3C never got fixed as the long term problem of offense on the 2nd line continued. Roy was moved there to plug the hole. IMO the team was second guessing their game from the goalies out. Could have AV changed his possession game enough to adjust to the poor FO %? Was the shortened season the big reason for no major moves by Gillis to fill the holes? He argued that many teams stayed in the race when in a normal season they would have been gone. I tend to believe him. There are no guarantees and Canuck fans should be the first to know all this.

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What is the expectation for a coach in Van? AV tried to ride the season out hoping that Kesler's return would right his puck possession game. The team was way below 50% before Kesler's return and he did bring that average up. As the FO % improved so did Van's offense. The 3C never got fixed as the long term problem of offense on the 2nd line continued. Roy was moved there to plug the hole. IMO the team was second guessing their game from the goalies out. Could have AV changed his possession game enough to adjust to the poor FO %? Was the shortened season the big reason for no major moves by Gillis to fill the holes? He argued that many teams stayed in the race when in a normal season they would have been gone. I tend to believe him. There are no guarantees and Canuck fans should be the first to know all this.

There is certainly no way any of fans can know all of the facts. Gillis also said that there wasn't a lot to trade for despite, Jagr, Iginla, etc moving on or prior to the deadline. Roy, who is solid, has a history of not being able to score in the playoffs. Interesting gamble when team offence was a problem. Lots of this rests on Gillis's shoulders. I just feel that with any coaching hire you have to way the pros and cons, and with Torts there are a lot more cons than pros. That being said only time will tell if it was a good decision or not.
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I am not sure what there is too "love" about this decision. At best, he maybe able to get some urgency into the team, however that will not address the needs at center and defence, and the whole goaltending issue. At worst, the team tunes him out, the Sedins ride out into the sunset, no free agents want to sign here, the Canucks relationship with referees will NOT improve, and the team will go through yet another coaching change in a short time. This is lots to gamble on this guy.

Do you expect Torts to sign a centerman and trade a goalie, or something?

What is the gamble you're even talking about? Whether or not the players tune a coach out? That is a gamble you take with every coach ever, really

Your worst case scenario is so dumb, if the Sedins want to walk because their relationship with a coach is that bad after one season, then let them walk. A coach would have to make some massive mistakes for his reputation to be so poor that players wouldn't want to sign here

And the team's reputation and relationship with the refs is not about coaching (see AV's indifference and smugness), it's about the constant stream of diving, whining, teary-eyed players we have coming into our organization and infiltrating our top lines to play big minutes

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Do you expect Torts to sign a centerman and trade a goalie, or something?

What is the gamble you're even talking about? Whether or not the players tune a coach out? That is a gamble you take with every coach ever, really

Your worst case scenario is so dumb, if the Sedins want to walk because their relationship with a coach is that bad after one season, then let them walk. A coach would have to make some massive mistakes for his reputation to be so poor that players wouldn't want to sign here

And the team's reputation and relationship with the refs is not about coaching (see AV's indifference and smugness), it's about the constant stream of diving, whining, teary-eyed players we have coming into our organization and infiltrating our top lines to play big minutes

I typically don't respond to posts that have insults in them however as it appears you don't understand what I mean here goes;- I didn't mean the Sedins would just pick up and leave, however after doing their jobs for so long too much negativity, punative approaches to player discipline can lead to a lack of motivation, not increase it - you are right in that lots of the reputation the canucks have developed with refs is based on what the players have done, however referees aren't stupid, they know who supports the players, and who tells them how to handle certain situations. Any NHL coach studies the referees and tries to react accordingly. Some are good at it, others just blow their stacks and get into an antoginizing relationship with them. Yes, tuning out or tuning in is key. Sure, that could apply to any coach, however who are players more likely to listen too, someone who tries to inspire performance, or someone who tries to beat it out of players? In terms of the "gamble" I talk about, there is also the issue of attracting players/free agents to the Canucks. Do you think this has become easier or harder now?

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You know what's pissin me off? The fact the Media is already trying to turn Torts into a villain in Vancouver. BEFORE he's been officially announced as the guy...

Like **** off, give the guy a chance... If he is a canuck, we should all stand behind him and see what he can do for us. I know I will support him 100% anyone who is listening to what the media has to say is an idiot.

The media is LOVING this, they now have a villain to turn on

Well they're going to get what's coming to them when he is hired.

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