73 Percent Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Sorry, I didnt really clarify. I dont agree with the jab with the stick by Kessel when Scott was already engaged with another player. That was very cowardly of him. But I also dont agree with what Scott did. He attacked the opposing teams star player at a face-off...an attack that initiated a line-brawl. That was bush league. What if Eager or another Oiler thug jumps Daniel at a face-off the next time the Canucks play them? You have no problem with that type of play nor want any punishment for Eager? Or would like to see Daniel do whatever can to get away from the beating of his life? Punish both or punish neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skolozsy2 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 to be fair, the leafs coach (who had last change) putting out their top line to go against the thug line after what just happened on the ice the shift before was the true bush league move. WTF was he thinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skolozsy2 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 punish both is my vote. I'd like to see daniel do what he can to get away but not use a weapon to do it. would you like to see daniel take his skate off and try to stab ben eager with it or just take a couple shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Who was the fight between before the Scott/Kessel incident? Only got to see thier highlight, didnt see the fight prior. I can understand the point you're making, but its also kinda bush league to send out a goon squad to start a brawl in a meaningless pre-season game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Kessle should get 0, at worst he will get rest of preseason. The league knows the consequences of a Kessel suspension. Send your goon after their star. Either he takes 20 shots to the back of the head while turtling or slashes the goon and gets a suspension. Imagine the Sedins lining up against (pick your goon), would you suggest they go toe to toe, turtle, run away or give the ass a hack or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skolozsy2 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 6'5" Jamie Devane and 6'0" Corey Tropp. Tropp looked like he instigated the fight, so he kinda got what's coming to him, until he hit his head on the ice when devane fell on top of him, leaving him bloodied from the fall. Scott was already fired up from the bench and yelling stuff at the leafs, so when the sabres coach put his line out there, what did the leafs think was going to happen? you don't put your star players in that situation, as it's going to end badly, one way or the other. dumb as hell coaching decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 He doesn't deserve anything more, my god. Why? Because you've decided? Of course he does...how ridiculous. If I go into the street and accidentally bump someone it's a bit different than intentionally going out and knocking them down. My God, if you don't see the difference between malicious stick chops (not one but two?) done with intent and purpose and a high stick due to a reckless play that involved momentum you're honestly missing the mark. The NHL is quickly plummeting to something very scripted....just not with any foundation of integrity or honesty. This is reaching WWF proportions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbal23 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Why? Because you've decided? Of course he does...how ridiculous. If I go into the street and accidentally bump someone it's a bit different than intentionally going out and knocking them down. My God, if you don't see the difference between malicious stick chops (not one but two?) done with intent and purpose and a high stick due to a reckless play that involved momentum you're honestly missing the mark. The NHL is quickly plummeting to something very scripted...just not with any foundation of integrity or honesty. This is reaching WWF proportions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Both Scott and Kessel are cowards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 They talked about this on the pre-game show. They made a good point. If you are in a bar fight and hit someone and you both walk away, most likely nothing will happen. But punch a guy and he falls down and cracks his skull, you'd get charged for assault. I don't agree with it, but it's still a valid point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Gotta say that hitting someone in the head vs on the leg are pretty different things. It's like saying "yeah, they did the same things only A shot and killed a deer and B shot a human." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THERETOOL Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 yup ... I agree .. I hate the kassian ruling ... think it was far too harsh , but that doesnt change the facts ... it was self defence , in kessels case ... not saying stick work is ok , or he shouldnt get a game or 2 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Why? Because you've decided? Of course he does...how ridiculous. If I go into the street and accidentally bump someone it's a bit different than intentionally going out and knocking them down. My God, if you don't see the difference between malicious stick chops (not one but two?) done with intent and purpose and a high stick due to a reckless play that involved momentum you're honestly missing the mark. The NHL is quickly plummeting to something very scripted....just not with any foundation of integrity or honesty. This is reaching WWF proportions here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobLoblaw Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Honestly, I was ok with the length of the Kassian suspension. The issue for me is the lack of consistency by the Department of Player Safety in handing out these suspensions. I can see it now... "Sunday night in Toronto, Toronto Maple Leafs forward, Phil Kessel was assessed a 10 Minute Match Penalty for Deliberate Injury towards Buffalo Sabres forward, John Scott. As the video shows, Kessel initially commits to a forceful two-handed slash at the legs of Scott. Then as Scott is engaged in a scrum, Kessel intentionally targets Scott from behind with a second two-handed slash. As the participants of the line brawl are separated, Kessel again attacks Scott, this time with a premeditated spear while Scott is engaged with a linesman. In summary:This was Slashing and Spearing;Kessel has no history of supplemental discipline in his 504 game NHL career;Scott suffered no apparent injury during the play. The Department of Player Safety has suspended Phil Kessel for the remainder of the preseason and one regular season game." Whoosh![cue the exciting, edgy NHL logo graphic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mustapha Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 It's clear that injury (or lack thereof) is a factor in the suspension. For those of you who don't believe injury should be a factor, ask yourselves if you thought Keith's hit on Sedin should have been lengthened to account for Daniel's head injury? I doubt many of you thought otherwise. While I don't think Kessel should have done what he did, the fact remains that he did not target the head and Scott was not injured. Kassian on the other hand hit Gagner in the head with his stick and caused a serious injury (unintentional yes, but reckless nonetheless) In this case, I can understand why Kassian's suspension was harsher. As for those citing 'intent' as being a critical factor, I am against that as intent can be difficult to ascertain in many situations. I know that Kessel intended to chop Scott in the legs, but I can't really tell how hard he actually did. For those of you who are offended by the two handed chop, I guess you must have missed the old days with Ron Hextall and Billy Smith. It's not exactly new to hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Can you do that with a golf club instead? Makes more sense, given the "leafs" jersey thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Crossbar Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Kessel on the other hand deliberately slashed Scott twice and then for good measure went back long after the fact and SPEARED the guy when he wasnt looking as a third man in. That to me is completely two different universes of offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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