Fozzy Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 These threads really p*** me off. Let's face it and some of you can't because you can't step back and see the bigger picture. We are quite a way away from winning a cup and you wat to trade for this guy and that guy. Yes let's trade away some of our future right now for a good cup run. Really? This team isn't going nowhere until it's stars start performing, Sedins and Kesler have to be producing for this team to go anywhere and that's with prospective trades. Gillis has to sit tight, no silly rental deals, no mortgaging our future. If we make a round then great but you people have to realise that whatever we do for the next few years we are behind the Ducks, Kings and Blackhawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panelguy Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 A team can't just stay the same , that equates to a step backwards. After last nights lose it became clear to me Kesler and D Sedin are saving themselves for the Olympics or there is a serious lack of leadership on and off the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sam13371337 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Gillis is loooooooooooong past his best before date.. not that he was any good to begin with.... Since day 1 he has done very little but live off the good choices and success of his predcessesors... im really glad he got exposed for the fraud he is now that his inherited core has aged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 How long have we needed scoring help? Too Long. And the forwards of note that Gillis has brought in...Santorelli/ Richardson/ Dalpe/ Roy..like 5 goals between the lot...medium sized checking forwards are the one thing we weren't short of. And his Sedin gravy train has dried up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Gillis has a lot on his plate right now. He has made his mistakes but he has also brought free talent here. Hamhuis , Garrison, Tanev and Stanton. The team wins and loses with the Twins, Kesler and Luongo. If they perform, then we only need to tweak a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nowhereman Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Gillis is loooooooooooong past his best before date.. not that he was any good to begin with.... Since day 1 he has done very little but live off the good choices and success of his predcessesors... im really glad he got exposed for the fraud he is now that his inherited core has aged Yeah, so what's he supposed to do then? Trade away the same core that dominated the league and came within one game of winning the Stanley Cup? This isn't NHL14, children. You can't just offload everyone for Crosby, Malkin, and Toews, the moment you feel your team is about to take a step or two back. People are chastising Gillis for "errors" he really has no control over. Did he foresee Kesler getting injured so frequently that he would devolve from a 70-point Selke winner into a 50 point second liner? Did he foresee Daniel Sedin going from a 100+ point Art Ross winner to a 60 point player, who looks like hot garbage on many nights, in the course of two seasons? Did he expect Alex Edler to get progressively worse, with every game he plays? Did he envision Alex Burrows' production dropping off to the point where he went from a 35 goal-scorer into a 0 goal-scorer? Did he know that Kevin Bieksa would sign a contract that morphed him from Denis Potvin-lite into Rory Fitzpatrick-lite? Did he have a feeling that Cody Hodgson would end up being a whiney brat that demanded a trade? Does he have a crystal ball that allows him to pick top six talent in the 25-30 spots of the NHL draft? Did he know that a lockout would cause the cap to drop drastically and force him to buyout and trade players? People, buy a clue. This was never a team that Gillis was responsible for creating. He inherited the core and was forced to augment it, if they were going to be successful. And they have been, for the most part. I'll repeat it again... this is not a video game. You can't just clear house of 40 million in salary and start from scratch, in one year. This all falls on the shoulders of the core itself. They can't use age as an excuse, when players like Chara, St. Louis, Whitney, Thornton, Marleau, Kunitz, and Jagr have all had continued success into their 30s. Why is Anaheim doing so well? Well, it's mainly because their best players are their best players. You can't win, in today's game, when players like Kassian, Dalpe, Higgins, Booth, and Tanev are taking turns as the best players on the ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remy Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Remember last year when all our woes were blamed on AV? Well, he clearly wasn't the problem, and neither is Gillis. Remember, last year was shortened due to lockout and this year we were hit by a reduction in cap. Despite that, Gillis still managed to snag us a stud in Bo Horvat. We'll appreciate that some day, I'm sure. This team needs some serious work, no question about it. But more than anything, it's our current roster that needs to be held accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancityBeast Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Honestly, the Canucks have been doing BETTER because of Gillis. Look at Santorelli, Stanton and Richardson. All producing at a good rate, and cheap as well.. Look at our new backup, Lack. 8-6-3, Signed for another 2 years after this at 1.5 million each. I would have to say, that Gillis is doing his job fine. Maybe it isnt Gillis's fault that we cant score a damn. Yes, that is very true. At the same time, your responsibility as a GM does not end once the season is underway. You should be agile enough to see what the team is lacking and respond to that appropriately. Not hope for puck luck. Not keep talking about process. Can you imagine if Gillis uses the same mind and effort that got us Santorelli, Richardson during off season, but during regular season or right before the playoffs? One thing that I have noticed with Gillis is that he has very very poor negotiating skills. Take Luongo trade or even Schneider trade, which we pretty much got nothing. Gillis is now also thinking about not renewing Santorelli's contract and there is a chance we may lose Santorelli for another team. Does anyone know why for whatever reason, Gillis have not been able to attract really good NHL players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Yes, that is very true. At the same time, your responsibility as a GM does not end once the season is underway. You should be agile enough to see what the team is lacking and respond to that appropriately. Not hope for puck luck. Not keep talking about process. Can you imagine if Gillis uses the same mind and effort that got us Santorelli, Richardson during off season, but during regular season or right before the playoffs? One thing that I have noticed with Gillis is that he has very very poor negotiating skills. Take Luongo trade or even Schneider trade, which we pretty much got nothing. Gillis is now also thinking about not renewing Santorelli's contract and there is a chance we may lose Santorelli for another team. Does anyone know why for whatever reason, Gillis have not been able to attract really good NHL players? Yes because so many other cap spending playoff teams are making weekly blockbuster trades to strengthen their squads.... Oh wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 They will get over a PPG again. Just need a swift skating puck mover. The threats off the rush they used to score on are non existent because no one is fast enough on the back end to rush the puck up. As soon as Ehrhoff left, they wer PPG or less players. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 They will get over a PPG again. Just need a swift skating puck mover. The threats off the rush they used to score on are non existent because no one is fast enough on the back end to rush the puck up. As soon as Ehrhoff left, they were PPG or less players. Coincidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 new gm won't solve anything this team is handcuffed by the CAP and NTC regardless of who behind the wheel. a new gm at this point would be detrimental new ideas,direction coaching change turmoil through out. as long as gillis doesn't try to start trading prospects and draft picks for short term gains for this season can't see him getting canned. the cap drop has really hurt this team as has injuries to key players that compiled with players who aren't even close to meeting expectation garrison booth hamhuis to name a few that have been disappointing this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHawkSniper Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 It's his fault that he's not doing anything to try and fix that problem. Who is to say he isn't? you don't know the players he'd have to give up just to get someone who can maybe score for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mispelled Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 The cry for change has been heard on here for years, especially after the beat-down from Boston. At this point, and perhaps too late, Gillis has earned these screams for his head. As the expiring core further erodes, insulated with NTC "boldness", the average fan's patince for awaiting change (anyyy change) has also run out. Having not surrounded the Sedin boys with things that wouldn't have allowed them to be b-slapped, on the world stage, was the beginning of these calls for his head, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancityBeast Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Yes because so many other cap spending playoff teams are making weekly blockbuster trades to strengthen their squads.... Oh wait. Weekly? WTF? You are not making sense. Read what I said "You should be agile enough to see what the team is lacking and respond to that appropriately. Not hope for puck luck. Not keep talking about process." Make changes "appropriately" is what we are looking for. Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result night after night is simply dumb!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 MG is and has been the best GM the Canucks have ever had. Those who think we should fire him are not true fans but just bandwagon jumpers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tortorellatheboss Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 MG is and has been the best GM the Canucks have ever had. Those who think we should fire him are not true fans but just bandwagon jumpers. I'd say Burke and Quinn were better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIBdaQUIB Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 MG is and has been the best GM the Canucks have ever had. Those who think we should fire him are not true fans but just bandwagon jumpers. ...and by what authority do you make that judgement? Talk about an arrogant ass! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CupisAll Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I guess mg has to blow his own horn to keep his job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancityBeast Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 MG is and has been the best GM the Canucks have ever had. Those who think we should fire him are not true fans but just bandwagon jumpers. Bandwagon jumpers will not be here night after night after every game. Just saying. Common sense please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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