Ghostsof1915 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 So it's the Sedin's fault that we have had no Norris calibre d-men, and virtually no secondary scoring throughout their tenure here. How dare they! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Have to be careful with "averages". Took the Kings 25 years to reach it the first time, and lost. Then 18 years after that they win their first, and 2 years later - another. Kings have played 3 more seasons than the Canucks. Canucks have missed the playoffs 17 times out of 44 seasons. The Kings have missed the playoffs 19 times out of 47 seasons. Both have 3 SCF appearances. The problem for the Canucks as far as draft picks go, we have only missed the playoffs 3 times the last 15 seasons, whereas the Kings have missed 7. The historical average is almost identical for both it's just that the Kings made hay with 2 of their 3 cup runs. We are in year 4 since the last cup final and it will take probably 3 yrs to move out the aging core and infuse youth into the lineup that takes us to year 7. Will we still have the same management? lots of intangibles into the equation trades, drafting, coaching changes. Can we buck the historical trend? i'm not so sure, i just hope we can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I'd rather stay competitive while making smart draft choices and developing them properly. I might be dead in 5-10 years. We all might be, which is why I would never endorse the poisonous mentality of tanking for picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 So it's the Sedin's fault that we have had no Norris calibre d-men, and virtually no secondary scoring throughout their tenure here. How dare they! MG screwed this team in more ways then you could count (even if you think 6 is in the top 5), I feel sorry for the twins because they did everything they could to keep us a competitve team but I feel it's unlikely they will get another shot at the cup. Do we trade them? No, rebuild with them and let the next generation take over when they are ready to step down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck63 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I'd rather stay competitive while making smart draft choices and developing them properly. I might be dead in 5-10 years. We all might be, which is why I would never endorse the poisonous mentality of tanking for picks. I might be dead in 5-10 years, so why bother planning for retirement. I may as well just live for today and spend all my money on booze, drugs, and women. What's the point .. right? If I may be dead in 5-10 years, there's no point in planning for the future. Yeah .... right. (While I can see your point in the first sentence ..... your reasons that follow are ridiculous). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miltt Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 It's why the Oilers repeatedly make it to the finals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 It's why the Oilers repeatedly make it to the finals... While the Oilers had a lack of success for too long I would totally trade rosters with them right now. Even if to have to ability to trade the glut of skilled forwards to make an awesome gritty third line, shore up the defense and get a better goalie. And they are most likely going that route and will be competing soon. I hate the idea but we may become their doormats like the 80's allover again if the Oilers play their cards right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdie boy Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Amazing hockey IQ ,news flash the sedins are the most talented duo to ever play for the canucks,the problem is that they are good enough to carry the rest of the team ,which then lets managment over value the rest of these guys .Kesler is the perfect example of what a really good player can due .lack of character maybe but a stud hence 2011 if he was here do you really think we would have lost to calgary. carry on boys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 8 + 4 = 14-15 now apparently You telling me it doesn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleShield Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 2014 LA wins cup/ picks #5 in 2009 2013 CHI #1 in2007 2012 LA #2 in 2008 2011 BOS #5 2006 and #8 in 2007 2010 CHI #3 in 2006 2009PITTS #1 2005 2picked008 DET 2007 ANA #2 in 2007 and #9 in 2004 2006 CAR #4 in 2004 and #1 in 2003 2004 TB #3 in 2001 and #8 in 2000 All the cup winning teams had top 5 picks 2-4 years before winning the cup with only 1 exception. when the canucks picked #2 and #3 in 1999 it was the reason we had future success. I hope we don't fight for 8th place for the next 5 years I would hope we go into full rebuild mode There are actually a lot more top picks involved usually. Looking at the winning teams since the salary cap came in and where they drafted in the run up to those... LA: 2009 - 5; 2008 - 2; 2007 - 4 (Finals 2012 and 2014 - 2W) Chicago: 2007 - 1; 2006 - 3; 2005 - 7; 2004 - 3 (Finals 2010 and 2013 - 2W) Boston: 2011 - 9; 2010 - 2; 2007 - 8; 2006 - 5 (Finals 2011 and 2013 - 1W) Pittsburgh: 2006 - 2; 2005 - 1; 2004 - 2; 2003 -1; 2002 - 5 (Finals 2008 and 2009 - 1W) Detroit: No high picks (Finals 2008 and 2009 - 1W) Anaheim: 2005 - 2; 2004 - 9; 2002 - 7; 2001 - 5 (Finals 2007 - 1W) Carolina: 2005 - 3; 2004 - 4; 2003 - 2 (Finals 2004 - 1W) Kane, Crosby and Fleury are the only #1 picks to win the Cup in that period (Levcavalier was the last before them) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 8 + 4 = 14-15 now apperently 8+4 will be when we start making the playoffs on a regular basis again...2-4 additional years before we have out good players with playoff experience in their primes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orka Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 How about our 6th overall pick? hehehehehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Wow. Classy comment. Way to show respect for our best players. I'm a Canucks fan. You're a Sedins fan. I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 I might be dead in 5-10 years, so why bother planning for retirement. I may as well just live for today and spend all my money on booze, drugs, and women. What's the point .. right? If I may be dead in 5-10 years, there's no point in planning for the future. Yeah .... right. (While I can see your point in the first sentence ..... your reasons that follow are ridiculous). I'm sorry, when exactly did I say not to plan for the future? Never put words in my mouth. My point simply was that you can never predict the future, and we have a pretty good thing here right now. Probably nothing resembling a contender, but who knows? Selling all of what we have for a whole bunch of maybes down the line is absolutely the wrong thing to do. There is still some juice left in some of the players we have, and there is still some enjoyment to be had from this team. There has to be a balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van bc Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 There are actually a lot more top picks involved usually. Looking at the winning teams since the salary cap came in and where they drafted in the run up to those... LA: 2009 - 5; 2008 - 2; 2007 - 4 (Finals 2012 and 2014 - 2W) Chicago: 2007 - 1; 2006 - 3; 2005 - 7; 2004 - 3 (Finals 2010 and 2013 - 2W) Boston: 2011 - 9; 2010 - 2; 2007 - 8; 2006 - 5 (Finals 2011 and 2013 - 1W) Pittsburgh: 2006 - 2; 2005 - 1; 2004 - 2; 2003 -1; 2002 - 5 (Finals 2008 and 2009 - 1W) Detroit: No high picks (Finals 2008 and 2009 - 1W) Anaheim: 2005 - 2; 2004 - 9; 2002 - 7; 2001 - 5 (Finals 2007 - 1W) Carolina: 2005 - 3; 2004 - 4; 2003 - 2 (Finals 2004 - 1W) Kane, Crosby and Fleury are the only #1 picks to win the Cup in that period (Levcavalier was the last before them) it's the top 5 picks that make the difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Professor.of.Perception Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 2013 #9, #24 (css had Shinkaruk ranked 6th and Horvat ranked 15th overall) 2014 #6, #24 (css had Virtanen ranked 6th and McCann ranked 10th overall) 2015 #23 (THAT SHOT!) id say were building a good prospect pool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 How about our 6th overall pick? And 9th OA too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 We had over 100 points last year, the Sedins showed they are also legitimate offensive threats. They had a good series versus Calgary. Given the parity in the NHL, we are only a few pieces away from contending. If we somehow get a 2nd line that can score and take pressure off the Sedins, and upgrade our defence so it can handle speedy teams, we can do well. I think the tanking debate is fruitless, we have some great prospects coming up. The Sedins can play at least another 5 years, lets just hope some of our prospects can really make a huge leap and this team will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 this may be just because I'm just used to van never winning a cup. But I'd rather watch and cheer for a competitive team that never wins the ultimate prize than watch my team intentionally tank for a decade to win one. Maybe If I were an oilers fan with a memory of all those cups I might be happy to watch that train wreck. But I'm not and if the Canucks never win in my life I hope they will at least loose with honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 this may be just because I'm just used to van never winning a cup. But I'd rather watch and cheer for a competitive team that never wins the ultimate prize than watch my team intentionally tank for a decade to win one. Maybe If I were an oilers fan with a memory of all those cups I might be happy to watch that train wreck. But I'm not and if the Canucks never win in my life I hope they will at least loose with honor. You say that now, but tell me Toews and Kane, Crosby and Malkin, Doughty and Kopitar are NOT worth it. I'd give anything for the Canucks to have an up and coming duo like that in the next five years.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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