Kaner Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Why? It's just too boring if there are only a few different way points are counted. Also keeps it fun imo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 I too never got why PIMS should be rewarded. In reality you wouldn't want a player that puts your team down all the time. I don't care what we go with on that, but since there's conflict it might be best for them to have no value. Also for saves or other stats, I'm fine with anything, since Fantrax shows how many points each player/goalie gets per category. My suggestion though would be once we have an idea on what the scoring system will be, check how last years totals would have been with that system. It'd be best if the top C's, top W's, top D's, and top G's were all roughly of equal value. And then see if there's a drop off in any position after the top bunch. It can be tough to do, but for example I found that giving D extra points for +/- and PPP kept them more on pace with the forwards. If that makes any sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 If there isnt too much outrage im going to make penalties a negative. Not a huge negative but yea...... Never got that. Penalties are bad for your team I agree that pm should not be rewarded - I don't like the scoring systems that do - but perhaps it's easiest to simply exclude them? Regarding points per save - not a bad idea, but if that is in addtion to points for wins and shutouts etc goaltenders could become even more dominant in the scoring system than they already tend to be in other leagues. Just a thought. If there was a way to include save points for the losing goaltender while the winner picks up the 10 or whatever, that could be interesting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 10pts for a win has always been scandalous for me. If you're cutting PIMS, cut that 10pts to 5pts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Soldier Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I'm actually in favour of things like hits, blocks and PIM rewarding points, even if at a lesser value than goals or wins. It makes the game more interesting if you're getting contributions from defensive defenceman or quality energy players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Here we go FORWARDS Goals 4 Assists 3 + 2 points for each postive number I;E +2 =4points Hits .5 Blocks .75 DEFENSE Goals 5 Assists 4 + 2 Hits .5 Blocks .75 All Fights 5 points Goalies .1 each save Win 5 Shut-out 7 ? Just a starting point for discussion .......Thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I think Drew should check his PM's and give me the caps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Here we go FORWARDS Goals 4 Assists 3 + 2 points for each postive number I;E +2 =4points Hits .5 Blocks .75 DEFENSE Goals 5 Assists 4 + 2 Hits .5 Blocks .75 All Fights 5 points Goalies .1 each save Win 5 OT Win 7 Just a starting point for discussion .......Thoughts ? I like most of it. Don't think fights should be worth more than goals, I'd actually prefer shots on goal instead of fights. I'm definitely a fan of defense goals and assists having more value than forwards. I'd replace the extra points for an OT win with extra points for a shutout. Either way, good to get the ball rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I like most of it. Don't think fights should be worth more than goals, I'd actually prefer shots on goal instead of fights. I'm definitely a fan of defense goals and assists having more value than forwards. I'd replace the extra points for an OT win with extra points for a shutout. Either way, good to get the ball rolling. Shots On goal would only really add to the higher scoring players or at very least add to the gap between the best players and the rest. Fights was meant to give value to the player/s whose penalty minutes are a positive to their team and can certainly be lowered. Great Idea about shut-outs , I should have thought of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mike Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 Here we go FORWARDS Goals 4 Assists 3 + 2 points for each postive number I;E +2 =4points Hits .5 Blocks .75 DEFENSE Goals 5 Assists 4 + 2 Hits .5 Blocks .75 All Fights 5 points Goalies .1 each save Win 5 OT Win 7 Just a starting point for discussion .......Thoughts ? Add points for shutouts and I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2015 Share Posted June 7, 2015 I don't like +2 for each +1, unless there's also a -2 for being -1. Someone like Patrice Bergeron, who is consistently +, actually ends up with less +/- points than someone like John Tavares who has more + days, but more - days too. I'd really like +/- to be consistent and say if, over the season, you're +30, you got 60pts for that, whereas if you're -30, you got -60. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Drewismyname Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 I agree that pm should not be rewarded - I don't like the scoring systems that do - but perhaps it's easiest to simply exclude them? Regarding points per save - not a bad idea, but if that is in addtion to points for wins and shutouts etc goaltenders could become even more dominant in the scoring system than they already tend to be in other leagues. Just a thought. If there was a way to include save points for the losing goaltender while the winner picks up the 10 or whatever, that could be interesting? This is also in response to Pineapples, The consensus seems to be that most do not want pims to be a negative. I will make sure to include this in the rules. I am not a huge fan of points per saves but have an open mind. any thoughts on goals against? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddhas Hand Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 This is also in response to Pineapples, The consensus seems to be that most do not want pims to be a negative. I will make sure to include this in the rules. I am not a huge fan of points per saves but have an open mind. any thoughts on goals against? Most GM's" claim" they want it to come close to real life. Real life salaries would indicate there are a handfull of players whose supposed value to their team is greater than the best goalies. In theory then we want a scoring system where the top 10-20 players are mixed in the the top goalies. I have been in a few leagues where they seem to find this balance . The best way to play around with this is to plug the stats/points you want into your league set-up then check player ranking's . When I last looked the first 2 pages were goalies , even the back ups were scoring more than the best players. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewismyname Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 I would like to thank Buddhas Hand and Mike Vanderhoek for accepting Assistant Commissioner roles. I am extremely happy to have such knowledgeable guys running the league with me. This is the tentative scoring structure. It is up for discussion so please review it and post your opinions. It is tough to change the scoring without throwing the resulting values of players out of whack so keep that in mind if we cannot grant your requests. Skaters +/- .75 A 4 Blk .75 Fight 3 G 5 GWG 1 Hit .5 Hat Trick 3 OT Goal 2 SH Point 1 Goalies A 4 OT Loss 5 Shutout 5 Win 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombastik der Teutone Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 What about SHP 2 points PPP 1 point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 What about SHP 2 points PPP 1 point This. Also, I'd make: - Goalie assists = 6pts (much rarer, therefore should be worth more than skaters) - Goalie goals = 20pts (very rare indeed, 99pts in other leagues is way too much but they should be given credit) - Take out hits completely - +/- should be 0.5 pts per + - 2pts for a GWG, rewarding clutch performers - take out fights completely, as the NHL should do. I'm not having fighters on my team out of principle and I don't think we should be rewarding them at all - 1pt for an OT assist maybe? Under the current rules, I took the Hart Trophy winner (Jamie Benn) and the winningest goalie (Carey Price) Benn: G (35) = 175 A (52) = 208 GWG (6) = 6 OT goal (0) = 0 SH Point (5) = 5 Hat trick (2) = 6 Hits (120) = 60 Blocks (50) = 37.5 Fights (4) = 12 +/- (+45) = 33.75 TOTAL = 543.25 Price: Wins (44) = 440 Shutouts (9) = 45 Assists (1) = 4 OT Loss (6) = 30 TOTAL = 519 Then took the biggest hitting / shot blocking player I saw with my eye, Brooks Orpik: G (0) = 0 A (19) = 76 GWG (0) = 0 OT goal (0) = 0 SH Point (0) = 0 Hat trick (0) = 0 Hits (306) = 153 Blocks (192) = 144 Fights (0) = 0 +/- (+42) = 31.5 TOTAL = 404.5 Now those are the three extremes - best scorer, best goalie and best pest - for me, Orpik gets too many points under the current system. I'd rather take out hits completely and just have blocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombastik der Teutone Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 This. Also, I'd make: - Goalie assists = 6pts (much rarer, therefore should be worth more than skaters) - Goalie goals = 20pts (very rare indeed, 99pts in other leagues is way too much but they should be given credit) - Take out hits completely - +/- should be 0.5 pts per + - 2pts for a GWG, rewarding clutch performers - take out fights completely, as the NHL should do. I'm not having fighters on my team out of principle and I don't think we should be rewarding them at all - 1pt for an OT assist maybe? Under the current rules, I took the Hart Trophy winner (Jamie Benn) and the winningest goalie (Carey Price) Benn: G (35) = 175 A (52) = 208 GWG (6) = 6 OT goal (0) = 0 SH Point (5) = 5 Hat trick (2) = 6 Hits (120) = 60 Blocks (50) = 37.5 Fights (4) = 12 +/- (+45) = 33.75 TOTAL = 543.25 Price: Wins (44) = 440 Shutouts (9) = 45 Assists (1) = 4 OT Loss (6) = 30 TOTAL = 519 Then took the biggest hitting / shot blocking player I saw with my eye, Brooks Orpik: G (0) = 0 A (19) = 76 GWG (0) = 0 OT goal (0) = 0 SH Point (0) = 0 Hat trick (0) = 0 Hits (306) = 153 Blocks (192) = 144 Fights (0) = 0 +/- (+42) = 31.5 TOTAL = 404.5 Now those are the three extremes - best scorer, best goalie and best pest - for me, Orpik gets too many points under the current system. I'd rather take out hits completely and just have blocks. Nice Job capt'n ...Maybe drop value of Hits instead of ban it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewismyname Posted June 8, 2015 Author Share Posted June 8, 2015 Everybody make your suggestions. We will take them all into consideration and hopefully have a system in place in a couple days. Obviously can't please everyone but we will try to make a decision based on the suggestions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 If my opinion means anything, goals and assist should more for defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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