-DLC- Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 2 blocks from their house/apartment there´s a park and my sister use to walk there every morning. so it will not be a big problem... but people say "everyday" does that including the raining and cold days too? because during winter temperatures reach 0 to 5C all day so people say that when it´s raining a lot and you want stay at home the human must be firm to the doy and say "no" "Because I am involved in animal rescue and that too commonly includes pets who are abandoned, PLEASE DON'T get an animal as something for a child. Get them a toy" JP seems to want have one. we´re telling him that the dog will need attention from him. BUT since we´re already thinking far in the future it will be more a dog to the entire family and not only to the kid... So where do you expect them to relieve themselves? On those cold/rainy days? You have to take/let them out SEVERAL times a day. And yes, every day...without fail. Sometimes in the middle of the night (my dog had a stroke and I had to hold her up with a towel out there). It honestly doesn't sound like you're ready...if you don't get that (basic) part. Dogs don't use toilets so letting them out is mandatory. Without fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baka Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 if was only up to me I would adopt a puppy. but it´s not up to me only. I will help with the dog when I´m avaliable but they´re looking now, doing the research etc... they want a puppy because altought train the puppy require time it´s also a good thing for the kid since will teach the kid about rules, the kid will also teach the puppy and at the same time will understand about the rules we (adults) tell him (to the kid)... they want the "puppy process" become some kind of "school" for my nephew and the entire family think it´s a good idea too... even very young we know that socialise with other dogs/humans is important. but the question is when... if it´s up to them they gonna bring the dog out with 2 months just to show the dog that the outside is good and since the puppy stage he/she will be used with other dogs/people. about restriction the condo doesn´t have restriction. there a family there who have 2 dogs (Lhasa and Yorkshire) and nobody complain since all the apartments are big. the others dont have dogs but they don´t hate dogs. as much the dog don´t poop on the garage there´s absolutely no problem with dogs inside the apartment... I would strongly voice to adopt to them. Shelters have the interest of the dog in mind. They prepare the dog as best as they can for the family and also can recommend what kind of dog is best for you and note on which ones may be bad fits. A Kennel is driven by money. The people who run them care about money and the well being of the animals can often be neglected. While the dogs that come out of them deserve love putting money into kennels is basically just supporting animal abuse. I will be blunt with you. Giving a 4 year old a dog to teach them responsibility is a stupid idea. The likely outcome is lecturing the kid on why the dog died or is an asshole. They could simply teach the kid responsibility in each area buy giving him relevant scenarios. Or if the parents are really going to be the ones taking care of the dog then it may work out but keep in mind this is a living thing that requires a lot of attention each day. The dog will need to go outside about 4 times every day to pee and poop. Likely also to run around a bit. As mentioned by someone else this isn't when you want it is everyday rain snow holidays etc. If you go on vacation or even out just out for over 5 hours the dog will need someone to take it out unless you dont mind it going in the house or you can afford to put it in a doggie daycare for that day. Honestly a cat would be 10000% easier as all you need to do with them is give them a liter box (clean it once a day) and make sure their bowls have food and water in it. You can literally go out all weekend and the cat will be fine alone. Dogs are great but just understand they are a legit commitment. It is kind of like having a toddler. As far as apartments go I didn't mean the place you are in now. I mean dogs live say 10-15 years. So if you get a dog and plan on moving with the dog in the next decade just understand some apartments don't allow bigger dogs. The best thing you can really do though if they are hellbent on getting a dog for the kid is go to a no kill shelter and see how you interact with various dogs. Mainly places won't even give you a dog if they don't think you can handle it and after they do they are often willing to help with the transition and will be willing to take the dog back if you cant handle it. Where as a kennel will be like wtf you paid already all sales final eff off. Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr You guys could just volunteer at an animal shelter and he can learn this responsibility by helping take care of all the dogs in need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpinDrive Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I'm going to echo the statements made by Deb. A dog for a 4 year old is a bad idea. All my childhood I wanted a dog, but my parents kept telling me no. When I turned 20 I finally got my own pug and I am SO glad I didn't get him as a teenager. A dog is a huge responsibility, not a toy or gift (usually). Also, yea adopt from a shelter if you're going to. Get a pug for the apartment. Name -> Odie, Edgar, Wilbert. Age -> Puppy, if you do not want to train it get one that's 2 or 3. Ride/Walk -> No it's a pug, get it out for a walk a couple times a week. Food -> Feed it once in the morning and once at night. Parenting -> Treat it like it's family but put rules down. (No dog on the nice furniture, don't feed it scraps ect.) Territories -> Train him from the start to not go up there or in there. Catch him and act. M/F -> I'd go for the cheaper gender. Castration -> It's better if it's castrated. Education -> There are tons of places to go get your dog trained. Hope this helped While pugs are great for most situations and don't require as much exercise as other breeds they, just like any other dogs, need to be walked every day. I walk mine twice a day, 30 minutes each. They have health and breathing problems as a breed, so they can't take hot weather. So early mornings and at night is the best. FYI pugs shed A LOT. Like a freakish amount. Just throwing that out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bookie Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 y'all are misreading aeromata, when he says because during winter temperatures reach 0 to 5C all day so people say that when it´s raining a lot and you want stay at home the human must be firm to the doy and say "no" what he means is don't give into the temptation to be lazy, get out there and drop a load arm in paw with yer dawg under a tree 'least that's my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 The future for sedentary people with dogs, and potty: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromotacanucks Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 I´ve being reading some sites about dog education/training and I´m finding interesting conclusions... 1) humans are stupid. -humans are humans, gogs are dogs. this hole idea of treat a dog like a human is the cause of spoiled and crazy dogs. the dog must understand he/she belongs to a pack and the human is the leader. -just like a family, everyone has a function there. the dog must also have a "job" doesn´t matter if is take care of the house while you´re out... 2) you don´t command the dog, you gain his/her espect. -if the dog sees you as somebody he/she can rely the dog will obey you not by force, but by respect. because the dog feels you´re the best leader... 3) train the dog means train yourself -actually this might be good for the hole family. dogs need stable leaders and during the training the dog must lear things on a stable process, calm and stable voice, no stress. show your happiness when de dog does something good but don´t go mad if the dog does something bad. the best thing for a bad behaviour is simply telling the dog that you (leader) isn´t happy with that behaviour... -that means stable mind, like a "Jedi" 4) exercises means exercises. -again this might be good for the hole family. and I´m planning something more intense. in the nature dog pass most of their time looking for food so the food is a reward for a good exercise (hunt). -so it might be able to do some sort of simulation of that. short but intense exercises, the dog will be hungry and will eat the necessary food we give to him/her and will not be fat. -in fact even inside the house, that would be nice too. some good exercises estimulating the dog instinct of patrol and cooperation with the pack... 5) a good dog is a dog that feels part of the pack (family) and not just a "thing" -again this might be good for the hole family because the educational process will involve the hole family of teaching the dog the rules but at the same time teaching the dog that he/she belongs to a pack/family, that the dog has a "job" on this pack and that the leader of the pack wants the dog doing a good job as a follower of the pack 6) somethins about educating dogs also apply for kids -because kids are just "small adults" and so they need learn that they belong to the "human pack" and so they need to understand the rules too. just because the kid is human doesn´t mean they don´t have to follow the rules but the dog must obey. BOTH must obey the rules because BOTH belong to a pack... as someone said: "There is no such thing of bad dogs, just bad humans" in this case, stupid humans that can´t be leaders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 You should be asking the SPCA and your local veterinarian for advice, not an Internet forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 My girlfriend and I have a mini American Eskimo (now 3 months old). - We got him at 8 weeks old - We got him from a breeder. Would never consider a pet store. Did not go the rescue route because (1) we are first time dog owners and were not sure we had the skills to deal with a dog that may have ingrained behavioral problems, and (2) practice for the next big step in our life. - We live in an apartment, but its long, and 900 sq ft total - We take him out probably 8 times a day, three of the eight times are for major exercise - He doesn't just need physical exercise, he needs cognitive exercise. When he acts out by barking, chewing on random objects, it is because he is bored! We have both expensive pet store cognitive toys and home-made toys that challenge him mentally. Dry a water bottle, throw some kibble in, and put the bottle on the ground with the lid off. Let him figure out how to get the kibble out. Toys that require him to dig/remove things to get to a treat have helped him entertain himself without our direct involvement. - For the first two weeks, I never slept more than 2 hours straight, and probably never had more than 5 hours of sleep per night - We have now had him for a month, and I still get MAYBE 6 hours of sleep - We deal with his barking by failing to acknowledge what he is doing. Once he stops barking and remains silent for a while, we go give him attention. We can't be sure that this will be effective, but our goal is to teach him that he can't get what he wants immediately simply by barking. We've seen small results in the short term - Everyone is going to give you a ton of advice, and much of the advice will be contradictory. There is a boatload of information on the internet too. It can be too much. Sometimes its best to just do what makes sense to you - We got the puppy with the intention of crate training him. We gave up the first night. He cried, peed in his crate, and was scratching like crazy. We slept with him on the floor the first night, then the next day bought an exercise pen. We leave it in the living room during the day, then move it into the bedroom at night, and he sleeps there. - When he gets hyper, sometimes it is not because he needs physical exercise. Again, it is a mental thing. I play a game called 'focus'. I grab a small treat, sit down on the floor, show him the treat in my hands, and then put my hands behind my back. I then tell him 'focus', and he is required to make and hold eye contact with me for several seconds. Once he has done this, I give him the treat. I then repeat the exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromotacanucks Posted July 31, 2015 Author Share Posted July 31, 2015 My girlfriend and I have a mini American Eskimo (now 3 months old). - We got him at 8 weeks old - We got him from a breeder. Would never consider a pet store. Did not go the rescue route because (1) we are first time dog owners and were not sure we had the skills to deal with a dog that may have ingrained behavioral problems, and (2) practice for the next big step in our life. - We live in an apartment, but its long, and 900 sq ft total - We take him out probably 8 times a day, three of the eight times are for major exercise - He doesn't just need physical exercise, he needs cognitive exercise. When he acts out by barking, chewing on random objects, it is because he is bored! We have both expensive pet store cognitive toys and home-made toys that challenge him mentally. Dry a water bottle, throw some kibble in, and put the bottle on the ground with the lid off. Let him figure out how to get the kibble out. Toys that require him to dig/remove things to get to a treat have helped him entertain himself without our direct involvement. - For the first two weeks, I never slept more than 2 hours straight, and probably never had more than 5 hours of sleep per night - We have now had him for a month, and I still get MAYBE 6 hours of sleep - We deal with his barking by failing to acknowledge what he is doing. Once he stops barking and remains silent for a while, we go give him attention. We can't be sure that this will be effective, but our goal is to teach him that he can't get what he wants immediately simply by barking. We've seen small results in the short term - Everyone is going to give you a ton of advice, and much of the advice will be contradictory. There is a boatload of information on the internet too. It can be too much. Sometimes its best to just do what makes sense to you - We got the puppy with the intention of crate training him. We gave up the first night. He cried, peed in his crate, and was scratching like crazy. We slept with him on the floor the first night, then the next day bought an exercise pen. We leave it in the living room during the day, then move it into the bedroom at night, and he sleeps there. actually the 2 things make a lot of sense. make him active and challenged mentally no matter where de dog is. pretty smart idea... the second one is also good. if you stop barking I will give you some atention, if not you will keep barking. just like with young kids (crying) you´ll never be ready for the "next step" dude. kids give a way more trouble than dogs with a dog you´re the master, you´re the leader of the pack... kids will say "no" with 1 year and "why" with 2 and then your "leadership" is over and just for the record. I´m the uncle but I see how hard is to "train" a kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromotacanucks Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 Dachshund/dachshund crosses are terrific dogs. They can be a bit bossy so some basic training is important, but it sounds like you're already to put in that work. They're low energy dogs and love sleeping. You sound like a prime candidate for adopting a dog imo as well. You could probably find exactly what you need in your local shelter/rescue, and save a little dudes life in the process. Good luck. by the way things are going I bet in 2 months (if that much) we gonna have a puppy on their house... possible names: "Sonic", "Mig", "Sukhoi" trainning: from the day the puppy arrives. almost like a military process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Training must be firm and absolutely consistent...if time is spent initially and relentlessly at the start, it will be easier overall. Training isn't yelling and scolding when a dog 'acts out', which is what some people think. That does nothing but confuse a puppy. Takes a lot of patience and when things aren't going well you can't blame a dog for being a dog...it's the "trainers" that usually need work in how they're applying the training. And some dogs, until neutered, will be hard to handle because their instincts are strong. Don't expect perfection or you'll be sorely disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromotacanucks Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 Training must be firm and absolutely consistent...if time is spent initially and relentlessly at the start, it will be easier overall. Training isn't yelling and scolding when a dog 'acts out', which is what some people think. That does nothing but confuse a puppy. Takes a lot of patience and when things aren't going well you can't blame a dog for being a dog...it's the "trainers" that usually need work in how they're applying the training. And some dogs, until neutered, will be hard to handle because their instincts are strong. Don't expect perfection or you'll be sorely disappointed. we´re pretty aware of this Deb. Thanks I noticed on some sites than tell "The dog don´t have to obey you because the dog fear you, the dog must obey you because the dog respect you" but even this might do nice. because means that the hole family must be able to stable their/our minds. actually that will be a nice mental training for the hole family... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 we´re pretty aware of this Deb. Thanks I noticed on some sites than tell "The dog don´t have to obey you because the dog fear you, the dog must obey you because the dog respect you" but even this might do nice. because means that the hole family must be able to stable their/our minds. actually that will be a nice mental training for the hole family... It doesn't need to fear you, it just needs to recognize you as the alpha. Intellectually a dog is like an infant, so like with an infant, ensuring the dog obeys and asserting yourself repetitiously in a way it understands it's doing something wrong should generally be good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromotacanucks Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 It doesn't need to fear you, it just needs to recognize you as the alpha. Intellectually a dog is like an infant, so like with an infant, ensuring the dog obeys and asserting yourself repetitiously in a way it understands it's doing something wrong should generally be good enough. that will be done. but the entire family is getting comitted to train the dog, even JP (the kid). it´s a long time work but the idea is have the dog as a partner and not as a pet. I told then (parents) to 1st learn how train the dog before get one... with 4 years JP already has a clear understanding of rules so we just have to teach him how train the dog. but that might work well. sure the dog requires a lot of attention but we believe it´s a good idea for self and constant mind exercise of leadership (for all). they just have to choose the right breed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovesLikeDatsyuk Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Ive had dogs ever since i was born. Go with Labs! They rule in every which way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovesLikeDatsyuk Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 You should be asking the SPCA and your local veterinarian for advice, not an Internet forum. Why waste their time with simple Questions that any Dog owner can answer easily? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckster19 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 When "potty training" your dog, in the beginning when it's a puppy is crucial. Any time it has a nap, take it outside as soon as it wakes up. These are when puppies need to pee the most and it will learn very quickly to tell you that it needs to pee since it will associate waking up with going outside. If your dog pees or poos in the house, don't shove it's face in it and get angry, this does nothing at all and only creates anxiety in the dog leading to more problems. If your dog does pee or poo inside, use a very pungent cleaning spray when you wipe it up, the smell deters the dog from doing it again, at least in that spot. If your dog chews something it shouldn't, blame yourself for leaving it in the dogs reach, it's a dog! Dogs like small enclosed spaces, don't force a puppy in the beginning to sleep in a closed kennel, but present it as an option when you notice your puppy is tired and it will go into it eventually willingly and you won't have to lock the door as it will stay in there. Dogs don't pee where they sleep so you don't have to worry about them peeing if you let it sleep in your bed. If you do get a puppy, patience, PATIENCE, PATIENCE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Why waste their time with simple Questions that any Dog owner can answer easily? Waste the time...of professional animal caregivers whose job it is to answer these exact questions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionized27 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Ive had dogs ever since i was born. Go with Labs! They rule in every which way. Exactly why you shouldn't be giving advice if you're not taking the time to read the OP. The potential owner lives in an apartment. A lab (or any other large breed dog) would be very unhappy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovesLikeDatsyuk Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Exactly why you shouldn't be giving advice if you're not taking the time to read the OP. The potential owner lives in an apartment. A lab (or any other large breed dog) would be very unhappy. Not all labs r big such as mine. She is about half the size of a normal dog. He said not too big not too small. ...... Since i got 2 warning points il leave it at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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