Coordinated New Year's Eve attack on women in Germany

[Cowardrobertford]

How ungrateful, I should expect many more of these to come

[D'Angelo Russell]

2 hours ago, Daytona675R said:

Guys, you probably can't even understand the level of despair and anger that is currently creeping through minds of people of Western Europe. Incompetence, arrogance, blindness and total stupidity - those are attributes of current "leaders". Those damned bureaucrats in the EU, this b*tch Merkel...still yapping their nonsenses about "challenges", "opportunity" etc. Those who disagree are labelled as xenophobes, racists, neonazis etc. Actually, I don't get Germans (generally, those from the former Western Germany). They are SO stigmatized by their role in WWII that they are afraid to act rationally. I have several friends in Germany - everybody knows they are in a middle of $&!# but they are just afraid to say "enough is enough". A nation of 80 million people was beaten to total and suicidal submission by political corectness. As for now (sorry Bombastik).

I live in the Czech Republic - and actually, I can't believe my own eyes. You know, as a member of the former Eastern Bloc, we were (and still are) considered somehow "lesser and "inferior" (with those from the former Eastern Germany, Poles, Slovaks, Hungarians, former Jugoslavs etc.). Not directly, of course, but you know this attitude...hey, yeah, we get your blah-blah-blah but just shut your mouth up and wait until we "sophisticated from the west" decide what is the best for you. I can't fully blame them, those 40 years of the communist tyranny made us incredibly underdeveloped. But we gained a sense to recognize a propaganda coming from those in charge (as the regime wasn't able to produce almost anything except propaganda) - and as such, people from the former Eastern Bloc countries are those who are able to see reality as they are immune to propaganda coming from the current (western) European so-called "leaders."

The problem in Western Europe is still growing, those who are responsible are doing virtually nothing to eliminate it and people there are simply being brainwashed or are afraid to do anything. So those events will repeat and repeat - until the safeties in German population will break. And then...I don't even want to think.

In short - this is going to be ugly.

Guys, I swear...DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN TO YOUR COUNTRY. LEARN A LESSON FROM THE STUPID.

This is an interesting observation. It's almost as if western Europe is already losing a fundamental part of democracy. People are afraid of speaking up in fear of being labelled racist, when in reality, stopping this migration altogether is simply common sense. Of course, this restriction is almost entirely self-imposed and its very powerful. Meanwhile, Eastern Europeans who have learned the meaning of oppression under the communists are not willing to follow the whims of the German chancellor. 

[Daytona675R]

7 hours ago, D'Angelo Russell said:

This is an interesting observation. It's almost as if western Europe is already losing a fundamental part of democracy. People are afraid of speaking up in fear of being labelled racist, when in reality, stopping this migration altogether is simply common sense. Of course, this restriction is almost entirely self-imposed and its very powerful. Meanwhile, Eastern Europeans who have learned the meaning of oppression under the communists are not willing to follow the whims of the German chancellor. 

I think it's quite difficult (rather impossible) to fully imagine the level of absurdity that is happening. You guys might face some consequences of the political correctness...but if this actually doesn't threaten fundamental aspects of your society (and this is very unlikely as you are shielded by two oceans), you simply let it go. In Germany of these days, completely different story.

There is very little of common sense in current behaviour. It's quite strange for me but Germans have strongly developed sense of following their leaders even through difficult times. At least externally - not objecting questionable decisions. The disagreement can be inside...but it is being held inside. Everything based on an assumption - whatever the leader does, he implicitly does for our good. If this assumption is true, this determination is a huge driver for a success. BUT if the leader's steps are wrong, this can lead to collosal problems. Only after the leader is permanently away, his steps can be criticized (Why this behaviour is true is not a question for me, I am just an observer. As Bombastik is a German, he might bring some further explanation (?))

Half of the world experienced results of this determination between 1939-1945. Only after Hitler was dead, statements of "this everything was wrong" came to publicity immediately. Usual explanation to "why did you let this happen?" was "we just followed him" or "we just complied with orders". Not only from civilian population that can be held in submission by extremely efficient repressive apparate but mainly from members of armed forces. "We couldn't go against his orders, that would be treason."

Even after the war - there is a principle that Bundeskanzler's steps are not really subject of criticism while he is in the office.

Today - the same. Führerprinzip at its best strengthened by political correctness in order not to be stigmatized by history. The official Merkel's line is "Wir schaffen das." (We'll handle it). Everything contradictiory is (or was until now) labelled as wrong, denied or disallowed. A lot or Germans (definitely majority now) know that current steps are simply wrong. They will tell you this in private. They are confused and angry. But do you see any significant pressure from the German population? No.

Just to illustrate the policy of denial:

- Events in Cologne were officialy reported by the German public TV (ZDF) after six days (!) when it couln't be hushed up anymore. (you know, the actually tried to do this in age of social networks)

- Even after this was compromised, ZDF guests were instructed by moderators not to link the events with immigrants otherwise interviews will be terminated (information from today's Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung; one of the most respected conservative-liberal newspaper in the world)

- Members of the Cologne Kriminalpolizei deliberately concealed facts the attacks were commited by immigrants.

When did we go through anything like this last time? I can remember only one example. April 26, 1986. Chernobyl nuclear dissaster and Soviet attempts to conceal this.

You might think I'm kidding. Well, I am not. THIS. IS. ACTUALLY. HAPPENING. IN. GERMANY. THESE. DAYS.

[Daytona675R]

By no means expect that German government is unique in this. Today's news.

1) Government of Belgium announced there will be courses in immigrant camps how to conduct properly towards women (ROFL)

2) In an hour, a socialist minister of Belgium's Wallonien regional government immediatelly responded it is racist. (ROFL x 10)

3) Joint Council for Qualifications in UK decided that General Certificate of Secondary Education exams harmonogramme will be adjusted in order to comply with Ramadan.

I am not f*cking kidding.

Yes, this is Europe we are currently a part of. We just watch this in amazement.

Again. DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN IN YOUR COUNTRY.

[MovesLikeDatsyuk]

Wheres Adolf when you need him.

[CBH1926]

Things are not looking good in Europe.

Some Europeans have become so tolerant that they began tolerating intolerance.

if things don't change rapidly It is possible to see large western European immigration to North America, Australia, South America even other parts of the Europe.

 

[TheAce]

For as much as people bash Donald Trump, i think his idea of creating a safe zone in there own country instead of allowing so many into your own country is starting to sound pretty good. . .

And for all of you that have the mindset of " its only a few bad ones, so you cant discriminate all of them "   let me ask you this, If 1000 were allowed in your city and only 1 of them were bad, but that 1 bad person raped your daughter/wife/sister would you still say it was worth it ? 

[Electro Rock]

Don't worry, the Left has all the answers!

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It's time to consider a curfew for men

You've had your chance, bepenised ones. And you've blown it. What you've proven, time and time again, is that you cannot be trusted to behave yourselves after dark. In Germany, about 1000 men are reported to have arrived at the Cologne Cathedral area on New Years Eve, intending to sexually assault and mug as many women as possible. The CBC reports, "Some 121 women are reported to have been robbed, threatened, or sexually molested there by gangs of mostly drunk men between 18 and 35 years old while out celebrating." Similar attacks took place in Hamburg and Stuttgart as well. One victim told N-TV in Germany:

"At around 11 p.m. we were at the main train station and wanted to travel on to see the fireworks, and that was when we first noticed all these men standing around. We managed to go into the cathedral and wanted to go past the Museum Ludwig to join everyone and watch the fireworks by the river, but suddenly we were surrounded by a group of between 20 and 30 men.

They were full of anger, and we had to make sure that none of us were pulled away by them. They were groping us and we were trying to get away as quickly as possible."

Another victim, named only as Katja L, told Der Express:

"I was groped everywhere. It was a nightmare. Although we shouted and beat them, the guys did not stop. I was desperate and think I was touched around 100 times in the 200 meters. Fortunately I wore a jacket and trousers. A skirt would probably have been torn away from me."

After a series of assaults on campus at UBC, "the general public" (let's call them "women," why don't we) were warned to "remain extra vigilant of their surroundings and take every precaution to enhance their personal safety" when walking alone at night or, alternatively, have a campus escort accompany them to their destination.

Similarly, after the attacks in Germany, the Mayor of Cologne, Henriette Reker, suggested keeping "a certain distance of more than an arm's length" from unknown men and told women that, "they should go out and have fun, but they need to be better prepared, especially with the Cologne carnival coming up." She went on to say that there will be "online guidelines that these young women can read through to prepare themselves."

Female students are under constant threat on college campuses -- afraid to walk home at night, raped at parties, after the bar, and in their dorms. Despite the fact that male violence can and does happen at all hours, it is at night -- walking to their cars, clutching their keys as they travel from the bus stop to their front doors, lying awake at night wondering what that sound is outside their windows, as well as during drunken celebrations like on New Years Eve or simply while out on Friday night -- when women often feel most fearful of attack.

There are solutions: a feminist revolution; real consequences for men who rape, harass, and abuse women; ensuring women are financially independent and that they are able to leave abusers safely; a cultural shift that addresses male entitlement, porn culture, and the objectifying male gaze; an end to masculinity and, more broadly, gendered socialization that says men are actors whereas women are passive recipients of men's "action" -- that is, the idea that men are to "get" sex from women, which positions coercion as a normal and expected part of heterosexual relations... All of that. All of that would help.

But while we're working on that (with little help even from liberal feminists who claim a desire to end to rape culture, something they mysteriously separate from all the rest of that stuff), what are women to do? How long will it take for generations of men to shed the deeply ingrained notion that women's bodies are for them and that sex is one of their natural born rights as men? Particularly when progressive and even other so-called "feminists" are fighting tooth and nail to ensure men continue to believe sex is a right, not a privilege?

In the meantime, women live in fear. We are attacked by large groups of drunk, aggressive men while ringing in the New Year. We double lock all our doors and windows but still can't sleep at night. We fear those who drive us home at night. In the meantime, we are not safe and men -- most men -- are given free rein to behave however they wish, as most men who rape, harass, and abuse are not punished.

While, yes, men are violent during the day and while, yes, a curfew would not resolve the problem of patriarchy and male violence against women, it does, in a way, address entitlement and privilege. While, in some ways, my argument here began facetiously, the more I consider the idea of a curfew for men, the more it makes sense. Why should men, if they have proven time and time again that they cannot -- will not -- leave women alone, stop harassing, raping, drugging, stalking, catcalling, groping, flashing, be permitted to move about freely in this world? We -- women -- are the ones who suffer and who feel afraid.

And who is it we fear? Is it other women? Is it ghosts (Ok, yes, sometimes, if you are me, it is ghosts -- but only while sleeping in large, old, creaky houses)? Is it a genderless, faceless, bodiless being? No. It is a male. A male with a penis that he may or may not use as a weapon.

"What real impact would a curfew have?" you might ask. Certainly it would send the message that we are taking men's behaviour seriously and that it is no longer acceptable. Certainly it would allow women to move about more safely at night -- on campus, in their homes, at bars, at the bus stop. Certainly it would name the problem. It would say, unequivocally, "The problem is you, men. You are the problem, and therefore, it is you who must be stopped."

Think of it as a mass grounding for men. After a designated period of time, we'll allow them back on the streets after dark to see how it goes. If the sexual assaults and harassment continue, well, it's back to the curfew.

I mean, really, they asked for it.

http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/feminist-current/2016/01/its-time-to-consider-curfew-men

[Daytona675R]

Just another illustration of current freaking mindset in Germany (I'm translating this from a discussion board of the largest news web page in the Czech Rep.):

"I'll give you one example: My daughter came from the school (a high school in Bavaria) and told me they have an essay to be made. Topic: "An immigration is to be supported. Explain why." I just let her repeat it in order to be assured that the topic wasn't "Is immigration to be supported? Explain your position." No, I heard correctly.

I instantly remembered on my high-school year in the former Czechoslovakia. We had an essay "Why do we love the Soviet Union?" The same situation. No chance from the beginning. I sat the whole afternoon over the blank paper and didn't know what the hell should I write. The truth, that I don't give a damn about the USSR, was out of question, of course. In the end, I simply copied some article from the book where some natural wonders of USSR were described.

I hoped my child will NEVER EVER experience this. Well, I was wrong."

Again. YES, THIS IS HAPPENING JUST OVER OUR BORDERS.

[Cowardrobertford]

It is as if the Germans are the immigrants and they have to adapt to the Syrian savage culture. 

 

[Grapefruits]

Has Trudeau commented on the attacks?

[ilduce39]

6 hours ago, TheAce said:

For as much as people bash Donald Trump, i think his idea of creating a safe zone in there own country instead of allowing so many into your own country is starting to sound pretty good. . .

And for all of you that have the mindset of " its only a few bad ones, so you cant discriminate all of them "   let me ask you this, If 1000 were allowed in your city and only 1 of them were bad, but that 1 bad person raped your daughter/wife/sister would you still say it was worth it ? 

On the other hand, if you and your family faced a legitimate threat to your lives in your country due to forces beyond your control, were hard working and law abiding citizens, would you feel it was justified to be condemned to possible death because someone you don't know might do something bad?  And the only thing in common with them was beyond your control - the country you were born?

If we and our loved ones were judged on the dregs of Canadian society we would all be guilty as well.

[Scottish⑦Canuck]

I think this is where the importance of proper checks / vetting is highlighted. I think that Germany's willingness to accept people on such a large scale was admirable, but simply opening up your borders for anyone to enter was inevitably going to result in people such as those in Köln entering the fray as well. It's disheartening to see people behaving in this way towards the people happy enough to help them in the first place. The mention of North Africans, however, indicates that this is not simply a Syrian problem. 

With that said, it's important not to generalize based on the actions of a few. Unfortunately I see that the usual suspects on here have taken it upon themselves to do so already. If the proper checks are carried out with regards to Syrian refugees, as Canada is doing, then this shouldn't be a problem.

 

[Scottish⑦Canuck]

On 1/8/2016 at 6:50 PM, Bombastik der Teutone said:

she did in my and a lot of  my countrymens opinions too.

not sure if you have heard of the PEGIDA Movement in germany... they are called racists and nazis because they gone on the streets to demonstrate against her politics regarding refugees and that we have to many of them here.

what happend in cologne , hamburg, stuttgart,, etc. was excatly one of the things that were this movement allways concerned about. ..they were right ...sadly

other politcians warned her too.,. 

I've friends in Germany who are rightly worried about the current situation, and I've no doubt that there are ordinary people with genuine concerns in support of at least some of what PEGIDA stand for. But the neo-nazi element that they attract makes it very difficult to sympathise with them and for that reason they'll always carry that label. I don't think that joining an organisation which openly describes itself as anti-Muslim is the best way to voice one's concern.

Unfortunately I can see the current situation working in favour of some of the more right wing groups in Germany. Being familiar with Dortmund I'm aware of the morons in 'Die Rechte' and the right wing element that is growing there.

[ilduce39]

10 minutes ago, Scottish⑦Canuck said:

I've friends in Germany who are rightly worried about the current situation, and I've no doubt that there are ordinary people with genuine concerns in support of at least some of what PEGIDA stand for. But the neo-nazi element that they attract makes it very difficult to sympathise with them and for that reason they'll always carry that label. I don't think that joining an organisation which openly describes itself as anti-Muslim is the best way to voice one's concern.

Unfortunately I can see the current situation working in favour of some of the more right wing groups in Germany. Being familiar with Dortmund I'm aware of the morons in 'Die Rechte' and the right wing element that is growing there.

For sure... I'm all for open and honest discussion about the best way to help refugees integrate.  The trouble is a constructive concern will always be piled on by those who are simply racists and bigots. 

As an aside, the situation in Germany has very little parallel to the Canadian commitment vis a vis sheer numbers, demographics and the geographic size of Canada. Further, if Germany is experiencing strain from their massive contribution to settling refugees, shouldn't the argument be that Canada does more to help out?  The Germans have certainly done their part.

[TheAce]

1 hour ago, ilduce39 said:

On the other hand, if you and your family faced a legitimate threat to your lives in your country due to forces beyond your control, were hard working and law abiding citizens, would you feel it was justified to be condemned to possible death because someone you don't know might do something bad?  And the only thing in common with them was beyond your control - the country you were born?

If we and our loved ones were judged on the dregs of Canadian society we would all be guilty as well.

who's law ?  If they are coming from countries where stoning people to death for being raped or being being homosexual is legal then no thanks. Those articles speak of 121 women who were assaulted in 1 night and there are many more cases. The gov't has a priority to keep its citizens safe first and foremost. If our country wants to help those who are in need, then they have to figure out a way to do so with no risk. Setting up safe zones in there own country would be a good way of doing it with several countries such as Canada who dont want to be aggressors , who can help protect and keep them safe.

 

Its not a question of ' might do something bad' because we have been hearing stories of riots, rape, theft happening with refugees ever since this mass flood started. Do we have problems in Canada ? yep... plenty of problems, but that doesnt justify bringing in more problems.  Like ive said before, I have no problem finding solutions as to helping people in need but i dont think it should be done so blindly as its happened in Europe

[ilduce39]

1 hour ago, TheAce said:

who's law ?  If they are coming from countries where stoning people to death for being raped or being being homosexual is legal then no thanks. Those articles speak of 121 women who were assaulted in 1 night and there are many more cases. The gov't has a priority to keep its citizens safe first and foremost. If our country wants to help those who are in need, then they have to figure out a way to do so with no risk. Setting up safe zones in there own country would be a good way of doing it with several countries such as Canada who dont want to be aggressors , who can help protect and keep them safe.

 

Its not a question of ' might do something bad' because we have been hearing stories of riots, rape, theft happening with refugees ever since this mass flood started. Do we have problems in Canada ? yep... plenty of problems, but that doesnt justify bringing in more problems.  Like ive said before, I have no problem finding solutions as to helping people in need but i dont think it should be done so blindly as its happened in Europe

You cannot compare the relatively small commitment of Canada to what European nations have taken on. 

To the safe zones idea, it makes sense on the surface but what kind of commitment would that entail?  You say Canada's government has to protect its citizens-that extends to its armed forces personnel.

Not only does it sounds dangerously imperialistic, Canada does not have the military resources to effectively take and hold large swaths of Syrian Land for the purpose of enforcing Canadian values.  It's a lot easier to identify, screen and admit them into our society.  

Canada is not going about this "blindly" - I have faith that they are considering the issues in Europe - screening, prioritizing families over young men and using the entire country coast to coast to bear the burden. We can handle this.

[D'Angelo Russell]

2 hours ago, ilduce39 said:

For sure... I'm all for open and honest discussion about the best way to help refugees integrate.  The trouble is a constructive concern will always be piled on by those who are simply racists and bigots. 

As an aside, the situation in Germany has very little parallel to the Canadian commitment vis a vis sheer numbers, demographics and the geographic size of Canada. Further, if Germany is experiencing strain from their massive contribution to settling refugees, shouldn't the argument be that Canada does more to help out?  The Germans have certainly done their part.

Disagree with bolded. The Germans are experiencing strain because of an ill-conceived, poorly-planned open door policy. As noted in a previous post of mine, about 400000 out of 1.1 million refugees are actual Syrians. This means that not only have they let in hundreds of thousands of genuine war refugees, but a very large number of people who are simply there to take advantage of the system. Of course, there's also the terror threat lurking in the background.  

I think Canada is doing fine with its number of refugees. It's good to help people but you can't just let the world into your country. 

[drummer4now]

I just want to state that this is all a charade and the worst is yet to come... they don't care about you and I.

What you think or have been taught is false...

Give it 5-10 years and it will all be clear. 

No tinfoil hat intended. 

 

[ilduce39]

36 minutes ago, D'Angelo Russell said:

Disagree with bolded. The Germans are experiencing strain because of an ill-conceived, poorly-planned open door policy. As noted in a previous post of mine, about 400000 out of 1.1 million refugees are actual Syrians. This means that not only have they let in hundreds of thousands of genuine war refugees, but a very large number of people who are simply there to take advantage of the system. Of course, there's also the terror threat lurking in the background.  

I think Canada is doing fine with its number of refugees. It's good to help people but you can't just let the world into your country. 

Yes, I agree.  Didn't mean to imply an open door policy, just wanted to point out that we can do our bit to help a burdened Europe.