captaincowbasher Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Without question JB has to do the right thing for his club, that's his job. Letting two decent assets walk at the end of the year and nothing to show for it would be doing a disservice to his club. With that said the other factor is JB himself. Probably one of the finest scouting GM's in the NHL(just look at what players he's obtained with late first rounders and early seconds), if Vrbata can get you a late first and the same with Hamhuis there would be a good chance JB could turn that into two very good prospects and that's exactly what JB should be thinking. If the Canucks were to squeak into the playoffs, wouldn't that be an excellent opportunity for guys like Shinkurak, Gaunce and Pedan. These 3 players might be regulars next year and a little Stanley Cup playoff action might help in their development. Obviously the team is going through a massive transition, but I got to be honest Trevor and Jim are surpassing my expectations, there have been a couple of errors but "to error is to be human". next years lineup: Sedin Sedin Ladd Baertschi Horvat Virtanen Shinkurak Sutter Hansen Etem McCann Dorsett Fowler Goligoski Edler Tanev Hutton Beiga Players outgoing: Higgins, Prust, Burrows, Cracknell, Vrbata, Weber and Bartkowski = 18 million off the Cap. Incoming players: Ladd(29 years old), Goligoski(30 years old) and JB deals for Fowler(23 years old) from Anaheim,for package; Burrows(we eat 3 million), Vey and a late round 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 imho Your fantastical Fowler-Goligoski pairing wouldn't even be that good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 21 minutes ago, captaincowbasher said: if Vrbata can get you a late first Which is moot, because he can't. Nor will Anaheim trade Fowler. Hammer may fetch a late 1st, but I wouldn't trade him unless he won't sign at a discount. Hammer is a commodity other teams will want, he can move the puck and he can log big minutes when he has to. We need more D, not less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I would keep Hammer unless JB has a master plan. I believe and trust in the Jim of the Benning. He has made some really solid draft choices and player acqusitions. i believe in JB. I am predicting we go hard after Yandle in the post season if he isnt traded and signed before the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Prophet Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I strongly doubt Hamhuis will "walk", regardless of what happens. He has close ties to the community, and I'm sure he's not a fan of moving his family, after years of living in one spot. If we do trade him, I hope it's only because he's fine with the decision. If we don't trade him, simply sign him to an affordable extension and let him mentor the young defence which will start coming in next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, Chalky said: Which is moot, because he can't. Nor will Anaheim trade Fowler. Hammer may fetch a late 1st, but I wouldn't trade him unless he won't sign at a discount. Hammer is a commodity other teams will want, he can move the puck and he can log big minutes when he has to. We need more D, not less. You'd be surprised what teams will pay for players like Vrbata at the trading deadline. JB will be offered a first by some team for Vrbata. Wait and see... Anaheim has to sign Hampus and Sami as they are RFA's, so Hampus is at least 5mil/year and Sami is 4-4.5/year- Cap is all gone and to boot Fowler is rumored to be the odd man out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 23 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said: imho Your fantastical Fowler-Goligoski pairing wouldn't even be that good. better then our first pair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 JB will do what he will do. He has his eyes set on the future of the hockey club and I believe that he has a masterplan. I don't think Vrbata is part of it, as Vrbata is the antithesis of hard to play against. While Hamhuis has lost a step, he is still a far more valuable veteran to teach the youth how to play than any other vet on the blueline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted January 28, 2016 Author Share Posted January 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, Canucks Prophet said: I strongly doubt Hamhuis will "walk", regardless of what happens. He has close ties to the community, and I'm sure he's not a fan of moving his family, after years of living in one spot. If we do trade him, I hope it's only because he's fine with the decision. If we don't trade him, simply sign him to an affordable extension and let him mentor the young defence which will start coming in next season. lol...affordable extension, he's going to want 4-5 mil/year no less and that doesn't work for the club as he could be turned into a first rounder in which JB works his magic. Doesn't that seem better for the club? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 16 minutes ago, Rush17 said: I would keep Hammer unless JB has a master plan. I believe and trust in the Jim of the Benning. He has made some really solid draft choices and player acqusitions. i believe in JB. I am predicting we go hard after Yandle in the post season if he isnt traded and signed before the deadline. I hope that the Jim of the Benning has his eyes set on some sizeable defensemen as well to toughen up the back end both physically and mentally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, captaincowbasher said: better then our first pair... In theory. But in reality it may be a fairly porous pairing. Just my thoughts though. And I suppose it doesn't mean much. I don't see either player coming here soon anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Not commenting on the OP, but Hammer, Vrbata, Miller and Prust should all be dealt at or by the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 4 minutes ago, captaincowbasher said: lol...affordable extension, he's going to want 4-5 mil/year no less and that doesn't work for the club as he could be turned into a first rounder in which JB works his magic. Doesn't that seem better for the club? Where have you heard that Hamhuis is looking for that figure? I think Hamhuis will work with the club. He's a pretty humble guy and is a team first player. Can't see him trying to cripple the club by demanding the same salary he received last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, captaincowbasher said: next years lineup: Sedin Sedin Ladd Baertschi Horvat Virtanen Shinkurak Sutter Hansen Etem McCann Dorsett Fowler Goligoski Edler Tanev Hutton Beiga Players outgoing: Higgins, Prust, Burrows, Cracknell, Vrbata, Weber and Bartkowski = 18 million off the Cap. Incoming players: Ladd(29 years old), Goligoski(30 years old) and JB deals for Fowler(23 years old) from Anaheim,for package; Burrows(we eat 3 million), Vey and a late round 1st. No. No thank you. Sedin - Sedin - Sutter Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen Shinkaruk - McCann - Hansen Gaunce - Vey - Etem Dorsett, Grenier Sbisa - Hutton Biega - C. Tanev Pedan - Tryamkin Bartkowski JM/RM RM/JM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 I agree. Trade Vrbata. Really having trouble finding a spot on the roster where he can fit in. Trade Hammer get a 1st and maybe a prospect. Then, re-sign Hammer in the off season. Antoine Vermette style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Prophet Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 6 minutes ago, khay said: I agree. Trade Vrbata. Really having trouble finding a spot on the roster where he can fit in. Trade Hammer get a 1st and maybe a prospect. Then, re-sign Hammer in the off season. Antoine Vermette style. That's not a bad idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 CDC over-valuing our players yet again. It should be. If the offer is good return we should look at trading Hammer and Vrbata. Not, we have to trade them regardless. Would 2 4th rounds picks be acceptable if no one else offered anything? How about 2 7th round picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, thejazz97 said: No. No thank you. Sedin - Sedin - Sutter Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen Shinkaruk - McCann - Hansen Gaunce - Vey - Etem Dorsett, Grenier Sbisa - Hutton Biega - C. Tanev Pedan - Tryamkin Bartkowski Dont mind the forward lines, but that D is brutal. We must have a fortune in cap space with Edler burrows and higgins back. PLus no major FA signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, thejazz97 said: No. No thank you. Sedin - Sedin - Sutter Baertschi - Horvat - Virtanen Shinkaruk - McCann - Hansen Gaunce - Vey - Etem Dorsett, Grenier Sbisa - Hutton Biega - C. Tanev Pedan - Tryamkin Bartkowski JM/RM RM/JM Sbisa and Hutton as the top pairing surely guarantees a top five pick in the 2017 draft. I can see Hutton eventually getting there, but Sbisa is more so a decent 5-6 d man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 1 hour ago, captaincowbasher said: You'd be surprised what teams will pay for players like Vrbata at the trading deadline. JB will be offered a first by some team for Vrbata. Wait and see... Anaheim has to sign Hampus and Sami as they are RFA's, so Hampus is at least 5mil/year and Sami is 4-4.5/year- Cap is all gone and to boot Fowler is rumored to be the odd man out. I dunno man, Vrbata is having a soft season and is a UFA next year. I don't see any way we get a first for him. I hope you are right. If Fowler is the odd man out, I would hope JB goes for him for sure. Must be nice to have so many young d-men that you can't sign them all. I really will be shocked if they don't get them all signed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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