avelanch Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Not the whole board. Some of us are more realistic. Maybe he means CT when he says "the whole board". Most of us in the prospects forum were like Bittermellon said: we thought we could have gotten more for schneider (or found it weird that it wasn't lou instead of schneids) but we were optimistic about Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) LOL at all the people who are saying they liked the trade from the start I was calling for MG to trade Schneider instead of Luongo (because he's worth more and can be moved more easily), but I thought we could have gotten more for Schneider at the time And according to some sources that were out there, other teams did offer more In hindsight, it looks good with Bo already making an impact as a bottom 6 center in the NHL, but at the time, no one could have said this was a great trade because there were teams that offered more and we weren't 100% sure how Horvat would pan out from the day he was drafted onward even though he looked like a very solid prospect I'm happy we got a gem in hindsight, but it wasn't a great trade at the time MG pulled the trigger Edited February 9, 2015 by Dasein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 it was never a great trade, but a decent one, depending on how bo turned out. NOW it's a good trade, and in the future it may be a great trade, but initially it just seemed like it was an undervalued trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 it was never a great trade, but a decent one, depending on how bo turned out. NOW it's a good trade, and in the future it may be a great trade, but initially it just seemed like it was an undervalued trade Speaking of trades, am I the only person who thinks that talking about including Horvat in a trade for Kane is total madness. Here is another article (http://blogs.theprovince.com/2015/02/07/the-provies-time-for-horvat-and-power-play-to-meet-kane-trade-talk-and-bieksas-blocks/) saying that Winnipeg wants Horvat, McCann AND a first round pick for Kane. I am hoping that JB will say that this is totally ludicrous. Right now I would not trade Horvat for Kane straight up, let alone including two first round picks (McCann and this year's pick) as well. Kane is overpaid and this salary would be a big problem for the cap. He is injured and will have surgery so he will be of no value this year (unlike Horvat, who is very valuable this year) and who knows if he comes back 100% in the future. He is a problem in the "room" and is hard to coach, unlike Horvat who is a great teammate and looks like future captain material. And Kane has had disappointing performance for the past 2 years. (This year and last year combined he has 63 points in exactly 100 games and is -8 in plus/minus). For a cap hit of 5.25 million that is not good enough. Horvat is getting better every week and, at age 19, will be a key to the Canucks for many years to come. And his cap hit is of course a bargain. So I hope JB says something (again). (I know he has already said he is not trading top prospects of draft picks, but that was before the Kane discussion emerged, so I would like to hear it again.) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horvat Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 LOL at all the people who are saying they liked the trade from the start I was calling for MG to trade Schneider instead of Luongo (because he's worth more and can be moved more easily), but I thought we could have gotten more for Schneider at the time And according to some sources that were out there, other teams did offer more In hindsight, it looks good with Bo already making an impact as a bottom 6 center in the NHL, but at the time, no one could have said this was a great trade because there were teams that offered more and we weren't 100% sure how Horvat would pan out from the day he was drafted onward even though he looked like a very solid prospect I'm happy we got a gem in hindsight, but it wasn't a great trade at the time MG pulled the trigger why are you laughing at yourself ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLocke Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 To find out peoples reactions at the time, all you have to do is hit the "first" button at the top of this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Haha wow, I said Nichushkin>Horvat on the first page of the thread.. got +10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Speaking of trades, am I the only person who thinks that talking about including Horvat in a trade for Kane is total madness. Here is another article (http://blogs.theprovince.com/2015/02/07/the-provies-time-for-horvat-and-power-play-to-meet-kane-trade-talk-and-bieksas-blocks/) saying that Winnipeg wants Horvat, McCann AND a first round pick for Kane. I am hoping that JB will say that this is totally ludicrous. Right now I would not trade Horvat for Kane straight up, let alone including two first round picks (McCann and this year's pick) as well. Kane is overpaid and this salary would be a big problem for the cap. He is injured and will have surgery so he will be of no value this year (unlike Horvat, who is very valuable this year) and who knows if he comes back 100% in the future. He is a problem in the "room" and is hard to coach, unlike Horvat who is a great teammate and looks like future captain material. And Kane has had disappointing performance for the past 2 years. (This year and last year combined he has 63 points in exactly 100 games and is -8 in plus/minus). For a cap hit of 5.25 million that is not good enough. Horvat is getting better every week and, at age 19, will be a key to the Canucks for many years to come. And his cap hit is of course a bargain. So I hope JB says something (again). (I know he has already said he is not trading top prospects of draft picks, but that was before the Kane discussion emerged, so I would like to hear it again.) there is no way horvat would be moved for kane. Jensen, yes, shink, absolutely, but horvat? not likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horvat Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 there is no way horvat would be moved for kane. Jensen, yes, shink, absolutely, but horvat? not likely. id trade jensen lack and hansen for kane + ina heartbeat 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Knight Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 his creativity is starting to come out now. what a stud, been so long since one of our 1st rounders showed any promise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) there is no way horvat would be moved for kane. Jensen, yes, shink, absolutely, but horvat? not likely. Horvat stays, Benning can see what he has and the almost sure thing he will have in Bo (2nd line center) as soon as this playoffs. So there's no deal to be made unless it is Jensen and/or McCann/Shinkaruk as well as a roster player like Higgins or Hansen or Richardson. I think the Jets could do better elsewhere.... I would rather keep McCann and Shinkaruk and our 1st this year...Kane and Kass out on the town could be brutal.... Edited February 10, 2015 by Rollieo Del Fuego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Horvat stays, Benning can see what he has and the almost sure thing he will have in Bo (2nd line center) as soon as this playoffs. So there's no deal to be made unless it is Jensen and/or McCann/Shinkaruk as well as a roster player like Higgins or Hansen or Richardson. I think the Jets could do better elsewhere.... I would rather keep McCann and Shinkaruk and our 1st this year...Kane and Kass out on the town could be brutal.... kass and lack going back might be part of it too, if it's Jensen Kass and Lack (and/or richardson) i'd do it. Kane would be taking over the role Kass should be filling anyway, and it would give WD less incentive to give kass some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Haha wow, I said Nichushkin>Horvat on the first page of the thread.. got +10. Haha well the jury still out on that one - I think that Bo was the right pick for us because we needed a building block type player (center) for the future, but DAL needed a dynamic offensive talent with superstar potential to go with their young franchise centers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 kass and lack going back might be part of it too, if it's Jensen Kass and Lack (and/or richardson) i'd do it. Kane would be taking over the role Kass should be filling anyway, and it would give WD less incentive to give kass some time. I'm good with that, the Jet's would have to have rose coloured glasses on re: Lack though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zfetch Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Am I the only one thinking he can become a mini Toews? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) No they weren't. The general reaction around the board was "Wow, I can't believe Schneider was traded. Bo looks like a good prospect, but I think we could've gotten a bigger return for Schneider" We still should have gotten a 2nd, look at the Varlomov trade. Gillis closed our window with that trade and a few other moves- Schneider is that teams MVP and will be- it's a sure thing traded for potential which is always a bad move. Edited February 10, 2015 by Canucks Curse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Loving Bo's play. I have no doubt he will progress to be a solid player for us. He's not yet? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rollieo Del Fuego Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Am I the only one thinking he can become a mini Toews? Maybe...he is already almost as big as Toews now at 6'1" and 212 playing weight *down from 220 in the spring. As far as skill and playing style, sort of but Bergeron is closer IMGO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Speaking of trades, am I the only person who thinks that talking about including Horvat in a trade for Kane is total madness. ... You're not the only one. I expect you have plenty of company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Haha wow, I said Nichushkin>Horvat on the first page of the thread.. got +10. Because there is no minus button 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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