Putgolzin Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, LaBamba said: Its the accumulation of these moves that are hurting us long term but ya Gudbranson is some good eyecandy for an organization starving for talent. but this is exactly why this discussion is broken from the get-go. we suck because we can't develop forwards good! well, we had McCann until we traded him for something better. he doesn't count cause we traded him away. ok, but you realize we got better as a team in the process, right? well, he didn't count anyway cause he wasn't in the ahl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 I believe the OP would prefer the Detroit model which is now on its last fumes (maybe?). For years they had enough talent, playoff appearances and cup wins to be patient, perhaps overly-patient in bringing their prospects up from the A. Guys like Helm, Abdulkater, Tatar, Jurco, Nielson, Nyquist etc were all brought along with at least a few years to marinate. However, the Wings were already talented and could win games while letting these late rounders ripen. Perhaps that is the model OP is referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 minute ago, nzan said: but this is exactly why this discussion is broken from the get-go. we suck because we can't develop forwards good! well, we had McCann until we traded him for something better. he doesn't count cause we traded him away. ok, but you realize we got better as a team in the process, right? well, he didn't count anyway cause he wasn't in the ahl! Out of +'s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 5 minutes ago, J.R. said: Because getting talented, under 25 year old players is bad long term....right. Long term? We gotta sign him to a new contract. If we use the dorsett and Sbisa deals as a metric for Gudbranson's new deal. He should be getting around 27M over 25 years. He is just so big and strong with so much character. His 4 goals a year are plenty for a man of his caliber, look at the conformity and density of his beard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Just now, LaBamba said: Long term? We gotta sign him to a new contract. If we use the dorsett and Sbisa deals as a metric for Gudbranson's new deal. He should be getting around 27M over 25 years. He is just so big and strong with so much character. His 4 goals a year are plenty for a man of his caliber, look at the conformity and density of his beard. Clearly his beard earns him $30m X 30 years. Let's not get cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 13 minutes ago, J.R. said: Out of +'s Gotcha covered sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweathog Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 With the Canucks finishing at the top, or near the top of the league and drafting in the high 20s for most of this century, of course our prospect pool is going to be dried up. It's unreasonable to expect Benning to fix this in only 3 years. How many times in the last 16 years have we drafted in the top 10? 3 or 4? We'll eventually get that young offensively capable talent in our system, I have full confidence in Benning to do that. But it's going to take time, no matter how shrewd a GM Benning is or how good our development system is. I already like how Horvat and Gaunce are progressing. With that being said I think they're currently making a huge mistake with Virtanen. Either send him to the AHL or start showing some trust in the kid and start giving him some meaningful minutes with the Canucks. I think it hurts his development otherwise, and considering he's one of our top prospects, I can see where the concern regarding development is coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 17 minutes ago, nzan said: but this is exactly why this discussion is broken from the get-go. we suck because we can't develop forwards good! well, we had McCann until we traded him for something better. he doesn't count cause we traded him away. ok, but you realize we got better as a team in the process, right? well, he didn't count anyway cause he wasn't in the ahl! How do you know Gudbranson is better than McCann long term? Cause how ever you got that information is a waste. You could make this world a way better place with those powers. With great powers comes great responsibility. Stop wasting them on this board and help humanity. We need you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 7 minutes ago, LaBamba said: How do you know Gudbranson is better than McCann long term? Cause how ever you got that information is a waste. You could make this world a way better place with those powers. With great powers comes great responsibility. Stop wasting them on this board and help humanity. We need you. fair enough. i was making the point that the discussion itself seems unfairly skewed towards only negative conclusions, but with this example i'll concur...I believe that history may eventually show this to have been a bad trade (i don't think it will, but i think McCann is going to be a good-great player someday) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 2016 5th Juolevi 2014 6th Virtanen 2013 9th Horvat 2008 10th Cody Hodgson 2005 10th Luc Bourdon 1999 2-3rd Daniel and Henrik Sedin 1998 4th Bryan Allen 1997 10thBrad Ference 1991 7th Alek Stokanov 1990 2nd Petr Nedved 1989 8th Jason Herter 1988 2nd Trevor Linden 1986 7th Dan Woodley 1985 4th Jim Sandlak 1984 10th JJ Daigneault 1983 9th Cam Neely 1981 10th Garth Butcher 1980 7th Rick Lanz 1979 5th Rick Vaive 1978 4th Bill Derlago 1977 4th Jere Gillis 1975 10th Rick Blight 1973 3rd Dennis Ververgaert 1972 3rd Don Lever 1971 3rd Jocelyn Guevermont 1970 2nd Dale Tallon Notice please between 1999 and 2013 we had 2 top 10 picks, Hodgson didn't pan out. Bourdon died in a tragic accident. Kind of hard to develop forwards when your drafting sucks. So put your anger towards Burke/Nonis/ and Gillis. Benning has to clean up the mess, and stock our shelves and ice a hockey team. Gillis only before he was dismissed tried to address the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 sedins, hansen, kesler, gaunce, horvat, virtanen list of past players developed to prime and entering their prime we should be excited especially adding brock boeser to this list next yr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, Ghostsof1915 said: 2016 5th Juolevi 2014 6th Virtanen 2013 9th Horvat 2008 10th Cody Hodgson 2005 10th Luc Bourdon 1999 2-3rd Daniel and Henrik Sedin 1998 4th Bryan Allen 1997 10thBrad Ference 1991 7th Alek Stokanov 1990 2nd Petr Nedved 1989 8th Jason Herter 1988 2nd Trevor Linden 1986 7th Dan Woodley 1985 4th Jim Sandlak 1984 10th JJ Daigneault 1983 9th Cam Neely 1981 10th Garth Butcher 1980 7th Rick Lanz 1979 5th Rick Vaive 1978 4th Bill Derlago 1977 4th Jere Gillis 1975 10th Rick Blight 1973 3rd Dennis Ververgaert 1972 3rd Don Lever 1971 3rd Jocelyn Guevermont 1970 2nd Dale Tallon Notice please between 1999 and 2013 we had 2 top 10 picks, Hodgson didn't pan out. Bourdon died in a tragic accident. Kind of hard to develop forwards when your drafting sucks. So put your anger towards Burke/Nonis/ and Gillis. Benning has to clean up the mess, and stock our shelves and ice a hockey team. Gillis only before he was dismissed tried to address the issue. ya herter nedved stokanov were epic bad picks if only jagr had wanted to play here instead of with mario booo 2000-2008 was really bad no wonder benning had nothing to work with in depth when he got here. boeser, tryamkin, virtanen, mccann thats 4 nhlers in 3 yrs plus hutton stecher juolevi and other knocking on door in next 2 yrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 1 hour ago, J.R. said: Clearly his beard earns him $30m X 30 years. Let's not get cheap. It's not Shea Weber's beard, even tho he tries hard to look the part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Let's look at Calgary. Monahan - should be in the A Gaudreau - should be in the A Bennett - should be in the A Tkachuk - should be in the A Hamilton - (not within the scope of the thread) Shinkaruk - should be in the NHL but two idiotic management groups trying to "win games" think he's "not ready". Obviously they're not gonna win the CUP, so they should be focusing on the minor leagues. That's right, I'm saying that. They should focus on having a good minor league team, not a good NHL team. The true measurement of a top 6 guy is AHL time. They're basically blowing their wad for a couple of playoff dates, which is the most petty of all goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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